Summer Transfer Window - 2016

CSF

Skylinehead wrote: »

It's not a good way to judge players no, but you know full well that Kroos played a massive part in all of those wins, so you're being obtuse for the sake of it.

That's not being obtuse. You agreed with me in your first sentence. I never devalued Kroos' contributions in any way, just pointed out that individuals shouldn't be judged on team trophies.

ASOT

rob316 wrote: »

Now antoine griezmann you would pay 100m for.

80m release clause in his new contract I think.

Kobe248

CSF wrote: »

That's not being obtuse. You agreed with me in your first sentence. I never devalued Kroos' contributions in any way, just pointed out that individuals shouldn't be judged on team trophies.

Its madness to judge a player on trophy haul

Robert Horry has more NBA rings than Jordan and Bryant

Skylinehead

CSF wrote: »

That's not being obtuse. You agreed with me in your first sentence. I never devalued Kroos' contributions in any way, just pointed out that individuals shouldn't be judged on team trophies.

In Kroos' case it's not applicable in the slightest though, so I don't see the merit of the argument.

Jayop

ASOT wrote: »

80m release clause in his new contract I think.

So United would pay 100.

Kobe248

Skylinehead wrote: »

In Kroos' case it's not applicable in the slightest though, so I don't see the merit of the argument.

Off course its applicable

The other poster used it as a reason to rate a player

When its not a way to judge a player

Just because its Kroos doesnt make it less so

smileyj1987

Kobe248 wrote: »

smileyj1987 wrote: »

Zlatan isn't even the best striker in the city of Manchester , that would be Aguero.

Messi , Ronaldo , Suarez , Neymar and Bale are the top 5 players in the world currently

What has Aguero done to be proclaimed the top striker anywhere

We will agree to disagree

I dont think Neymar and Bale are top tier just yet

Aguero has scored an average of 25 goals a season in what could be described as the most competitive league in the world. Suarez and Aguero would have been on par during Suarez's time at lfc. He moved to Barcelona and is setting the world alight there. If you put aguero in that team in his place then aguero would be doing the same.

Dirty Dingus McGee

smileyj1987 wrote: »

Aguero has scored an average of 25 goals a season in what could be described as the most competitive league in the world. Suarez and Aguero would have been on par during Suarez's time at lfc. He moved to Barcelona and is setting the world alight there. If you put aguero in that team in his place then aguero would be doing the same.

He was doing that in Liverpool aswell with a much weaker team around him to supply him with chances.

Kobe248

smileyj1987 wrote: »

Aguero has scored an average of 25 goals a season in what could be described as the most competitive league in the world. Suarez and Aguero would have been on par during Suarez's time at lfc. He moved to Barcelona and is setting the world alight there. If you put aguero in that team in his place then aguero would be doing the same.

People put Aguero at the top because he plays in England

Its easy to dismiss Suarez scoring lots of goals at Barca

But hes done it everywhere hes gone

Aguero was the best striker in England

That title now belongs to Zlatan

Iused2likebusts

Kobe248 wrote: »

People put Aguero at the top because he plays in England

Its easy to dismiss Suarez scoring lots of goals at Barca

But hes done it everywhere hes gone

Aguero was the best striker in England

That title now belongs to Zlatan

Aguero is the best player in the league.

Jayop

Iused2likebusts wrote: »

Aguero is the best player in the league.

I'd find it hard to disagree with that.


*goes to cry-puke in the corner*

TitianGerm

Kobe248 wrote: »

People put Aguero at the top because he plays in England

Its easy to dismiss Suarez scoring lots of goals at Barca

But hes done it everywhere hes gone

Aguero was the best striker in England

That title now belongs to Zlatan

Zlatan is not the best striker in the league. Agureo is. And if Kane continues as he has the last two years he will outscore him as well.

To be honest I think Martial would be much better utilised through the middle than an aging Zlatan.

Bobby Baccala

emmetkenny wrote: »

Zlatan is not the best striker in the league. Agureo is. And if Kane continues as he has the last two years he will outscore him as well.

To be honest I think Martial would be much better utilised through the middle than an aging Zlatan.

An aging Zlatan that scored more goals last season than he ever has. Right....

redzerdrog

P4DDY2K11 wrote: »

And aging Zlatan that scored more goals last season than he ever has. Right....

Martial scored more premier league goals last season the Zlatan ever has ;-)

TitianGerm

P4DDY2K11 wrote: »

And aging Zlatan that scored more goals last season than he ever has. Right....

In a French League at a much slower pace.

PSG are by far and away the strongest team in the French League and they dominate 80% of their games.

Every team in the PL puts it up to the big boys and I don't see Zlatan scoring more than 15 goals in the league next year because he won't be afforded the time and space like he was in France.

Just because he had his highest scoring season last year doesn't mean he will again next year.

OldRio

Oops Sorry lads I thought this was the 'Summer Transfer Window' thread. My mistake. Carry on.
Must find that thread.

Bobby Baccala

emmetkenny wrote: »

In a French League at a much slower pace.

PSG are by far and away the strongest team in the French League and they dominate 80% of their games.

Every team in the PL puts it up to the big boys and I don't see Zlatan scoring more than 15 goals in the league next year because he won't be afforded the time and space like he was in France.

Just because he had his highest scoring season last year doesn't mean he will again next year.

You're talking as if Ibrahimovic has only ever played in France. Don't think we even need to discuss his goal scoring records in other leagues.

Utopia Parkway

Kobe248 wrote: »

People put Aguero at the top because he plays in England

Its easy to dismiss Suarez scoring lots of goals at Barca

But hes done it everywhere hes gone

Aguero was the best striker in England

That title now belongs to Zlatan

Zlatan hasn't kicked a ball in England yet. I wouldn't crown him best anything just yet.

Dirty Dingus McGee

emmetkenny wrote: »

In a French League at a much slower pace.

PSG are by far and away the strongest team in the French League and they dominate 80% of their games.

Every team in the PL puts it up to the big boys and I don't see Zlatan scoring more than 15 goals in the league next year because he won't be afforded the time and space like he was in France.

Just because he had his highest scoring season last year doesn't mean he will again next year.

The bolded statement is simply not true as if it was the case every single match would go down to the wire and we all know that doesn't happen.

A 35 year old scoring 15 league goals would be a great achievement.How often does that happen in any major Euoropean league.

GavRedKing

Jose knows what hes doing, he signed eto'o and Drogba to help out in his first 2 years at Chelsea, neither set the league on fire but at their ages it was expected. Their experience however and ability to lead the younger players and support them, is invaluable, ditto with Zlatan.

Giggsy11

emmetkenny wrote: »

Zlatan is not the best striker in the league. Agureo is. And if Kane continues as he has the last two years he will outscore him as well.

To be honest I think Martial would be much better utilised through the middle than an aging Zlatan.

Martial is better as left wing forward, much better than playing with his back to the goal.

emmetkenny wrote: »

In a French League at a much slower pace.

PSG are by far and away the strongest team in the French League and they dominate 80% of their games.

Every team in the PL puts it up to the big boys and I don't see Zlatan scoring more than 15 goals in the league next year because he won't be afforded the time and space like he was in France.

Just because he had his highest scoring season last year doesn't mean he will again next year.

Zlatan played in french league for 4 years and last season was his best. So "He did it in French league" excuse is not a valid one.

And overrating of PL continues. Who won player of the year last 2 seasons? Where did they come from?

Giggsy11

GavRedKing wrote: »

Jose knows what hes doing, he signed eto'o and Drogba to help out in his first 2 years at Chelsea, neither set the league on fire but at their ages it was expected. Their experience however and ability to lead the younger players and support them, is invaluable, ditto with Zlatan.

Also Zlatan is not in decline too, he is in top physical condition and played most games in his career last season.

emmetkenny

emmetkenny wrote: »

In a French League at a much slower pace...

Just checked the list of top scorers in France in recent years...

Lacazette
Nene
Giroud
Sow
Niang
Gignac

I mean Gignac...that's borderline Dean Windass.

Ibrahimovic did enough in his career to merit great praise. But he may have stagnated in France...he certainly underwhelmed at the Euros.

Could he be another Shevchenko for Mourinho?

Liam McPoyle

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Just checked the list of top scorers in France in recent years...

Lacazette
Nene
Giroud
Sow
Niang
Gignac

I mean Gignac...that's borderline Dean Windass.

Ibrahimovic did enough in his career to merit great praise. But he may have stagnated in France...he certainly underwhelmed at the Euros.

Could he be another Shevchenko for Mourinho?

Well Shevchenko was foisted on Jose by Roman and he was forced to play him.

Plus there was a substantial transfer fee involved.

Plus its only a one year deal.

Apples and oranges IMO.

I'm not expectating Zlatan to come anywhere close to his scoring feats of last season, anyone that does is probably deluded.

We were utterly impotent in front of goal last season.

If he can contribute 15 to 20 goals in the league between scoring and assists then its money well spent and I will be delighted with that kind of return.

OldRio

OldRio wrote: »

Oops Sorry lads I thought this was the 'Summer Transfer Window' thread. My mistake. Carry on.
Must find that thread.

I could of swore Zlatan was transferred from PSG to Utd this summer

09_09_09

inforfun wrote: »

That is a bit of a painful one for me.
Product of the Feyenoord academy but wasnt offered a contract.
Left fro Almere City in the Jupiler league and scored a lot there already, considering the team he played for.
AZ picked him up for peanuts, only scored 6 goals till the winter break.
Dont know what was in his turkey he had for Christmas but he just cant stop scoring since then. A hat trick against Feyenoord as well.

In recent internationals basically claimed his spot as Hollands starting centre forward with scoring 3 in 5.

So he basically has had a fantastic 2nd half of the season..... Is that enough to pay €15 million (rumoured asking price)?
I guess for a premier league club it is peanuts.

He is more a Dirk Kuyt than a Robin van Persie as it comes to playing style.

Telegraaf is a bit hit and miss. The have some very good info at times but come out with complete rubbish as well.
There was a time when i only rated www.vi.nl as reliable with transfer news but they are slipping as well.

http://www.telegraaf.nl/telesport/voetbal/az/26168934/__AZ_rekent_op_22_miljoen_euro_voor_Janssen__.html#voetbal/227/fixtures/

It looks like it is a done deal. Thank Christ we have a proper back-up now.

Now we are linked with Georginio Wijnaldum. Do you think he will fit in?

I think he was player of the year when PSV won the league. However, Depay was getting the praise.

Needless to say your opinions are always much appreciated.

gosplan

I don't think Zlatan will do anything particularly great. He'll be useful but not nearly as effective as some people are hoping.

It's another Schweinsteiger transfer. I imagine he'll be more effective but he's not going to replicate anything close to his French scoring record.

Dirty Dingus McGee

gosplan wrote: »

I don't think Zlatan will do anything particularly great. He'll be useful but not nearly as effective as some people are hoping.

It's another Schweinsteiger transfer. I imagine he'll be more effective but he's not going to replicate anything close to his French scoring record.

But I don't think anybody is expecting that.

I'd say most people are expecting around 15 league goals 20 in all competitions.

Jayop

Dirty Dingus McGee wrote: »

But I don't think anybody is expecting that.

I'd say most people are expecting around 15 league goals 20 in all competitions.

He could get more but it would likely be a case of flat track bullying. You could see him scoring three in a game then nothing for five games.

rob316

M!Ck^ wrote: »

I could of swore Zlatan was transferred from PSG to Utd this summer

correction Zlatan transferred himself to United.

Dirty Dingus McGee

Deleted User wrote: »

Just checked the list of top scorers in France in recent years...

Lacazette
Nene
Giroud
Sow
Niang
Gignac

I mean Gignac...that's borderline Dean Windass.

Ibrahimovic did enough in his career to merit great praise. But he may have stagnated in France...he certainly underwhelmed at the Euros.

Could he be another Shevchenko for Mourinho?

In all fairnesss Windass isn't even close to the same level Gignac is at.

Gignac played quiet well at the Euros and has 30 caps for France (one of Euopes strongest countries).Windass never came close to playing for England.

Kobe248

Iused2likebusts wrote: »

Aguero is the best player in the league.

I dont agree with that

Ozil for one is better than him

Aguero never regularly starts over Higuain for example

As I said I like Aguero but definitely not best player

Kobe248

emmetkenny wrote: »

Zlatan is not the best striker in the league. Agureo is. And if Kane continues as he has the last two years he will outscore him as well.

To be honest I think Martial would be much better utilised through the middle than an aging Zlatan.

Youre just proving my point about how blind fans of English football are

Aguero might be near him but Martial and Kane

Come on like

Kobe248

Dirty Dingus McGee wrote: »

In all fairnesss Windass isn't even close to the same level Gignac is at.

Gignac played quiet well at the Euros and has 30 caps for France (one of Euopes strongest countries).Windass never came close to playing for England.

Get outta here with your logic

smileyj1987

Kobe248 wrote: »

Iused2likebusts wrote: »

Aguero is the best player in the league.

I dont agree with that

Ozil for one is better than him

Aguero never regularly starts over Higuain for example

As I said I like Aguero but definitely not best player

Ozil ?? He isn't the best player in the league at all that's nuts

smileyj1987

Kobe248 wrote: »

Iused2likebusts wrote: »

Aguero is the best player in the league.

I dont agree with that

Ozil for one is better than him

Aguero never regularly starts over Higuain for example

As I said I like Aguero but definitely not best player

Ozil ?? He isn't the best player in the league at all that's nuts , he isn't even the best player at arsenal because that falls to Alexis Sanchez .
As you can see a lot of people agree with the whole aguero being better then zlatan . So I think your kind of wrong on this one

Kobe248

smileyj1987 wrote: »

Ozil ?? He isn't the best player in the league at all that's nuts , he isn't even the best player at arsenal because that falls to Alexis Sanchez .
As you can see a lot of people agree with the whole aguero being better then zlatan . So I think your kind of wrong on this one

Not really

The amount of people means nothing

For example Im sure loads of people agreed Hitler was right

And well they werent

Just because the masses think something doesnt make it true

Especially in a country where the Premier League is gosipal

There has been no point to prove Im wrong

the whole year inn

smileyj1987 wrote: »

Ozil ?? He isn't the best player in the league at all that's nuts , he isn't even the best player at arsenal because that falls to Alexis Sanchez .
As you can see a lot of people agree with the whole aguero being better then zlatan . So I think your kind of wrong on this one

People say if Zlatan got 15 goals in the league then it would be a success,Aguero is constantly in the race for top goal scorer,he would have won it this year but he was out for 2 months.Is Zlatan still better than Aguero.Aguero is easily the best player in the league,he has the stats to back it up aswell.

Bobby Baccala

smileyj1987 wrote: »

Ozil ?? He isn't the best player in the league at all that's nuts , he isn't even the best player at arsenal because that falls to Alexis Sanchez .
As you can see a lot of people agree with the whole aguero being better then zlatan . So I think your kind of wrong on this one

Most Arsenal fans won't agree with you that Sanchez is a better player than Ozil and I'd have to disagree too. Ozil is probably the most talented player we've had since Henry.

Skylinehead

smileyj1987 wrote: »

Ozil ?? He isn't the best player in the league at all that's nuts , he isn't even the best player at arsenal because that falls to Alexis Sanchez .
As you can see a lot of people agree with the whole aguero being better then zlatan . So I think your kind of wrong on this one

Alexis Sanchez is definitely not better than Ozil, you won't find many Arsenal fans agreeing with you on that one.

TitianGerm

Kobe248 wrote: »

Youre just proving my point about how blind fans of English football are

Aguero might be near him but Martial and Kane

Come on like

I didn't say Kane is better than him I said Kane will outscore him.

I also didn't say Martial was better than him I said it would be best playing him through the middle instead as Martial has just as much chance of scoring 15+ league goals next year as Zlatan and has a massive ceiling to improve.

the whole year inn

emmetkenny wrote: »

I didn't say Kane is better than him I said Kane will outscore him.

I also didn't say Martial was better than him I said it would be best playing him through the middle instead as Martial has just as much chance of scoring 15+ league goals next year as Zlatan and has a massive ceiling to improve.

How does he,hes 35 if anything and more than likely he will decline.

smileyj1987

Skylinehead wrote: »

smileyj1987 wrote: »

Ozil ?? He isn't the best player in the league at all that's nuts , he isn't even the best player at arsenal because that falls to Alexis Sanchez .
As you can see a lot of people agree with the whole aguero being better then zlatan . So I think your kind of wrong on this one

Alexis Sanchez is definitely not better than Ozil, you won't find many Arsenal fans agreeing with you on that one.

Well all my arsenal supporting mates rate him higher then ozil that's where I came out with that one

Kobe248

P4DDY2K11 wrote: »

Most Arsenal fans won't agree with you that Sanchez is a better player than Ozil and I'd have to disagree too. Ozil is probably the most talented player we've had since Henry.

But he doesnt have the hustle and bustle

So the average fan will appreciate Sanchez more

Even though he had a spell at the end of the season where he was truly terrible

smileyj1987

Kobe248 wrote: »

smileyj1987 wrote: »

Ozil ?? He isn't the best player in the league at all that's nuts , he isn't even the best player at arsenal because that falls to Alexis Sanchez .
As you can see a lot of people agree with the whole aguero being better then zlatan . So I think your kind of wrong on this one

Not really

The amount of people means nothing

For example Im sure loads of people agreed Hitler was right

And well they werent

Just because the masses think something doesnt make it true

Especially in a country where the Premier League is gosipal

There has been no point to prove Im wrong

When aguero outscores zlatan next season you will see that you are wrong . I'm not knocking zlatan as a player but he has played in lesser leagues all his life this is the time for him to show can he do it in a proper league .
His last 10 season of playing have only been in LA liga , Serie A and Ligue 1. They are much inferior in terms of competition to the premier league

Skylinehead

smileyj1987 wrote: »

Well all my arsenal supporting mates rate him higher then ozil that's where I came out with that one

Sanchez is brilliant when he's on form, but when he's bad, he's really bad. Constantly running into blind alleys and losing the ball. Still love the man of course, he's a matchwinner.

Ozil though, someone said Henry, but I think he's the best technician we've had since Bergkamp. And I consider Bergkamp the best player the league has ever seen, in my slightly biased opinion

Kobe248

emmetkenny wrote: »

I didn't say Kane is better than him I said Kane will outscore him.

I also didn't say Martial was better than him I said it would be best playing him through the middle instead as Martial has just as much chance of scoring 15+ league goals next year as Zlatan and has a massive ceiling to improve.

If Martial hits his potential

He will still do well to hit Zlatans peak

If he does he will be an amazing player

You referred to Kane and Martial as its easy to pick English based players

I suppose Vardy is better than Dybala sure he scored in England and Dybala scored in a inferior league

GavRedKing

Ozil had a greeat season last year for assists, I'd still prefer Sanchez if I was signing an Arsenal player tomorrow, who by his own standards was poor and out performed by Ozil.

Its like Willian at Chelsea, he had a much better season than Hazard last year but every man and his dog would prefer Hazard over Willian.

Although the gulf in class between Hazard and Willian is slightly higher than it is with Sanchez and Ozil, IMO.

TitianGerm

the whole year inn wrote: »

How does he,hes 35 if anything and more than likely he will decline.

Who?

I'm saying Marital would be better utilised through the middle than Zlatan and would score 15 goals if played through the middle rather than Zlatan.

irelandrover

smileyj1987 wrote: »

When aguero outscores zlatan next season you will see that you are wrong . I'm not knocking zlatan as a player but he has played in lesser leagues all his life this is the time for him to show can he do it in a proper league .
His last 10 season of playing have only been in LA liga , Serie A and Ligue 1. They are much inferior in terms of competition to the premier league

There is a lot of rubbish posted here but this has to be top of the list. Whatever about Ligue 1, but since when are la liga and seria A lesser leagues.