Summer Transfer Window - 2016

That's champions league odds btw


Leicester are 28/1 for the league

SantryRed

eagle eye wrote: »

2500/1 for the Premier league champions to win the ECL? 100/1 is a ridiculously good price.

100/1 would be ridiculously good if it was one of the usual suspects. For Leicester it's not a good price at all.

Dirty Dingus McGee

eagle eye wrote: »

2500/1 for the Premier league champions to win the ECL? 100/1 is a ridiculously good price.

They won the league as a one off a lot of thing aligned for them to win and they played well and took advantage of it but it's a one off success.

It's not like Chelsea or Man City had won it and they put them in at that price.

Also for people thinking Leicester would be a draw for players it's fairly obvious why they are not.

Their league victory is a one off that will not be repeated and any player with half a brain knows that and knows that they have joined the party too late so their is no incentive for a top notch player to join them unless it's money he's solely after.Also Leicester is not the most glamourous of sides so foreign players are not going to really want to live their if they can live in London or somewhere nicer.

SantryRed

SantryRed wrote: »

Jesus chill out. I didn't say anything about being mercenaries and wouldn't begrudge anyone making as much money as they can in a shot career.

My point, against your rant, is that it would seem to me that Boro are offering high wages to get these players to join, because 1. It's a dull part of England for European people and 2. I'm sure other clubs were interested.

Was it Emerson's wife who famously described it as a "strange and terrible place"...

eagle eye

Dirty Dingus McGee wrote: »

They won the league as a one off a lot of thing aligned for them to win and they played well and took advantage of it but it's a one off success.

It's not like Chelsea or Man City had won it and they put them in at that price.

Also for people thinking Leicester would be a draw for players it's fairly obvious why they are not.

Their league victory is a one off that will not be repeated and any player with half a brain knows that and knows that they have joined the party too late so their is no incentive for a top notch player to join them unless it's money he's solely after.Also Leicester is not the most glamourous of sides so foreign players are not going to really want to live their if they can live in London or somewhere nicer.

It didn't just happen in one season, they showed it over the final 10 games of the previous one where they were the best team in the league.

This London thing is a myth too. How do Manchester Untied, City and Liverpool get big names to sign for them?

So Kante has left them but he didn't exactly cover himself in glory for France in the Euros. The lad they bought to replace him comes with a similar reputation to what Kante had before he joned them. What's to say he won't plug and play just like him. It hasn't been proven yet that Kante can do it at any club, it's very possible that he excelled in the system that Leicester use.

Anyways I digress, this is the transfer thread. They've signed Mendys from Nice who looks like a really good defensive midfielder in the same mould as Kante.

They've signed some good players and to this point have only spent the money that is coming in for Kante. There is very little different bar maybe a little improvement in the Leicester squad to this point.

Dirty Dingus McGee

eagle eye wrote: »

It didn't just happen in one season, they showed it over the final 10 games of the previous one where they were the best team in the league.

This London thing is a myth too. How do Manchester Untied, City and Liverpool get big names to sign for them?

So Kante has left them but he didn't exactly cover himself in glory for France in the Euros. The lad they bought to replace him comes with a similar reputation to what Kante had before he joned them. What's to say he won't plug and play just like him. It hasn't been proven yet that Kante can do it at any club, it's very possible that he excelled in the system that Leicester use.

Anyways I digress, this is the transfer thread. They've signed Mendys from Nice who looks like a really good defensive midfielder in the same mould as Kante.

They've signed some good players and to this point have only spent the money that is coming in for Kante. There is very little different bar maybe a little improvement in the Leicester squad to this point.

Because they are Liverpool and Man Utd teams with great history and Man City are a big club these days and always in contention to win things.

It was effectively one season.Loads of teams good and bad have gone through 10 game spells throughout a season where they are top notch.

I don't think Leicester will get near where they were last season.They might finish top 6 but I don't think so.

The standard of the league is now higher and unless they sign real top quality players they wont be able to come close where they were last year.Also they benefitted from being underestimated for a large part of last season, teams will show them a lot of respect from now on and make their lives more difficult.

CSF

Dirty Dingus McGee wrote: »

Because they are Liverpool and Man Utd teams with great history and Man City are a big club these days and always in contention to win things.

It was effectively one season.Loads of teams good and bad have gone through 10 game spells throughout a season where they are top notch.

I don't think Leicester will get near where they were last season.They might finish top 6 but I don't think so.

The standard of the league is now higher and unless they sign real top quality players they wont be able to come close where they were last year.Also they benefitted from being underestimated for a large part of last season, teams will show them a lot of respect from now on and make their lives more difficult.

By the sounds of it, very little about how people are rating Leicester has changed.

Dirty Dingus McGee

CSF wrote: »

By the sounds of it, very little about how people are rating Leicester has changed.

Freak seasons can happen in any sport though.

I don't buy the idea that players who were so mediocre for so long are now instantly top class and this level will continue.The league will be stronger this year which will count against them also. You've also got to take into account that they won't have the insatiable desire they had last year and they have to deal with Europe as well.

I'd say if they finish top 6 it would be a good season for them.

They also have not strengthened their team and Mahrez now looks like he wants out as well which is not going to help them.

CSF

Dirty Dingus McGee wrote: »

Freak seasons can happen in any sport though.

I don't buy the idea that players who were so mediocre for so long are now instantly top class and this level will continue.The league will be stronger this year which will count against them also. You've also got to take into account that they won't have the insatiable desire they had last year and they have to deal with Europe as well.

I'd say if they finish top 6 it would be a good season for them.

They also have not strengthened their team and Mahrez now looks like he wants out as well which is not going to help them.

Ok, but you just said they won't be underestimated and will be shown respect now, but in the same fell swoop have pretty much rated them the exact same way everyone did last year until they proved themselves to be unstoppable in the title race. Surely it is either one or the other?

The Talking Bread

Deleted User wrote: »

SantryRed wrote: »

Jesus chill out. I didn't say anything about being mercenaries and wouldn't begrudge anyone making as much money as they can in a shot career.

My point, against your rant, is that it would seem to me that Boro are offering high wages to get these players to join, because 1. It's a dull part of England for European people and 2. I'm sure other clubs were interested.

Was it Emerson's wife who famously described it as a "strange and terrible place"...

She should have insisted they live on Middlesbrough though! Handier for him to get to training!

Dirty Dingus McGee

CSF wrote: »

Ok, but you just said they won't be underestimated and will be shown respect now, but in the same fell swoop have pretty much rated them the exact same way everyone did last year until they proved themselves to be unstoppable in the title race. Surely it is either one or the other?

But teams will show them more respect now because they played against them and know how difficult they were to play against last season.

I'm writing off their chances of repeating because seasons like that don't happen too often and the standard has improved in the league which will make their job more difficult.

Also they haven't strengthened and I just can't see them replicating the hunger and ferocity they had last season.

CSF

Dirty Dingus McGee wrote: »

But teams will show them more respect now because they played against them and know how difficult they were to play against last season.

I'm writing off their chances of repeating because seasons like that don't happen too often and the standard has improved in the league which will make their job more difficult.

Also they haven't strengthened and I just can't see them replicating the hunger and ferocity they had last season.

So what makes you think that teams won't share your opinion?

Iused2likebusts

Leicester also now have cl to worry about. Chelsea and Liverpool have no European football and Utd only have EL which they can use fringe players for. That's 3 teams they had an advantage on last year that they will have a disadvantage on this year. Spurs arsenal and city who also have CL have squads that are more likely to cope from some rotation than Leicester's.

CSF

Iused2likebusts wrote: »

Leicester also now have cl to worry about. Chelsea and Liverpool have no European football and Utd only have EL which they can use fringe players for. That's 3 teams they had an advantage on last year that they will have a disadvantage on this year. Spurs arsenal and city who also have CL have squads that are more likely to cope from some rotation than Leicester's.

Chelsea and Liverpool are at a big advantage in that respect for sure.

Dirty Dingus McGee

CSF wrote: »

So what makes you think that teams won't share your opinion?

Because they're not a gobsh1te on the internet like I am and they are professionals who have played against them and will respect what they have achieved and not underestimate them.Teams didn't play against Leicester last season like they would usually against a title challenging team , that won't happen this season.

Buford T. Justice XIX

CSF wrote: »

Chelsea and Liverpool are at a big advantage in that respect for sure.

I personally wouldn't see it as an advantage for Liverpool. There is a big enough squad, probably too big for just domestic competitions alone.

Then there is also the lack of playing time for younger players coming through to get game time to show what they are made of.

Sterling came through in the EL a few years ago and Kent, Brannigan and Stewart came to the fore last year in the EL also.

Iused2likebusts

Buford T. Justice V wrote: »

I personally wouldn't see it as an advantage for Liverpool. There is a big enough squad, probably too big for just domestic competitions alone.

Then there is also the lack of playing time for younger players coming through to get game time to show what they are made of.

Sterling came through in the EL a few years ago and Kent, Brannigan and Stewart came to the fore last year in the EL also.

It's an advantage for the upcoming season though.

Cantona's Collars

https://twitter.com/DiMarzio/status/754625222708301824

Arsenal have contacted Icardi's entourage. Requests meeting in London next week.

eagle eye

Dirty Dingus McGee wrote: »

Because they are Liverpool and Man Utd teams with great history and Man City are a big club these days and always in contention to win things.

It was effectively one season.Loads of teams good and bad have gone through 10 game spells throughout a season where they are top notch.

I don't think Leicester will get near where they were last season.They might finish top 6 but I don't think so.

The standard of the league is now higher and unless they sign real top quality players they wont be able to come close where they were last year.Also they benefitted from being underestimated for a large part of last season, teams will show them a lot of respect from now on and make their lives more difficult.

Yeah Leicester were the best team in the league over the last 10 games in both the last two seasons. It's more than just a freaky spell when it's happened two years running.

The season before gave a pointer to how good they were, the fact that they done it again this season points to them maintaining the standard they have already set.

The last 10 games of the season before was done without Kante and others who were big parts of the title winning campaign.

Buford T. Justice XIX

Leicester may have bigger problems than losing their best players.

Their head of recruitment, Steve Walsh, is going to Everton now.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2016/07/16/leicester-city-resigned-to-losing-head-of-recruitment-steve-wals/

Dirty Dingus McGee

eagle eye wrote: »

Yeah Leicester were the best team in the league over the last 10 games in both the last two seasons. It's more than just a freaky spell when it's happened two years running.

The season before gave a pointer to how good they were, the fact that they done it again this season points to them maintaining the standard they have already set.

The last 10 games of the season before was done without Kante and others who were big parts of the title winning campaign.

Loads of teams have gone through great runs (Sunderland and Wigan for example) and never followed up on and thus the great runs are forgotten.

Leicester had one great season that coincidentally was preceded by a great run that saved them from relegation.

I'd expect them to revert to norm and finish top 6 at best but nowhere near winning it.

Dirty Dingus McGee

zerks wrote: »

https://twitter.com/DiMarzio/status/754625222708301824

Arsenal have contacted Icardi's entourage. Requests meeting in London next week.

Icardi would be a great signing as he's an old fashioned penalty box striker who can finish which is what they need.

Obviously they'd have to worry about him shagging one of his team mates wives and ruining dressing room morale.

The Talking Bread

Whatever about people's opinions about the transfer, that is one Unbelievable piece of business by Leicester over a year. 34 million profit from transfer fee, whilst without him they most definitely wouldn't have won the league (disclaimer....in my opinion) and probably not even got camp league football. You could be talking up to 150 million profit give or take from that decision to fly him in from Caen a year ago.

Muff_Daddy

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Was it Emerson's wife who famously described it as a "strange and terrible place"...

On the other hand you have Gaizka Mendieta who fell in love with the place and has settled there with his family.

CSF

Dirty Dingus McGee wrote: »

Loads of teams have gone through great runs (Sunderland and Wigan for example) and never followed up on and thus the great runs are forgotten.

Leicester had one great season that coincidentally was preceded by a great run that saved them from relegation.

I'd expect them to revert to norm and finish top 6 at best but nowhere near winning it.

Coincidentally? Ridiculous.

The Talking Bread

Dirty Dingus McGee wrote: »

Icardi would be a great signing as he's an old fashioned penalty box striker who can finish which is what they need.

Obviously they'd have to worry about him shagging one of his team mates wives and ruining dressing room morale.

Mancini on the prospect of the deal. He seems to acknowledge its completely out of his hands and it hs all the elements of a coach who has accepted he is on his way out. But thats not the best part.................

He was asked directly about the Arsenal rumours, and replied: “I have not seen the news you mentioned, I have not read anything. I do not know why say anything. I’m just a coach and this is not an issue about me.

“He is doing the training and showing endeavour, for me this is important. I do not read newspapers, do not listen to radio, I do not watch TV or private channels … just porn!”

Mancini continued: “I can say is that he’s working really hard in training – other stuff doesn’t matter to me. What I care about is that he plays and scores lots of goals, that’s all. For me, all the players that form the core of my team are not for sale at any price, but I can’t talk for other people.”

I have never heard Mancini making joke before! Shows the pressure he was under at City that he was so at edge all the time!

Dirty Dingus McGee

CSF wrote: »

Coincidentally? Ridiculous.

May not be a complete coincidence but it certainly doesn't indicate to me that winning the league or contending is their standard level of form and they won't drop off afterwards.

The league is going to be much more difficult to win this season and players who were playing in the championship (with good reason ) for most of their careers suddenly winning the league is not a sign to me they will keep it up.

Cantona's Collars

https://twitter.com/guardian_sport/status/754629587280228352

Tottenham agree deal to sign Georges-Kévin Nkoudou from Marseille for £11m

The Talking Bread

Best transfer for United this season SO FAR, Luke Shaw!! Can't wait to see him back. He is class act and I really hope that leg break will have no bearing again on him. Great that he didnt rush back. Genuinely think he is one of the best players in the squad.

Muff_Daddy

Dirty Dingus McGee wrote: »

Loads of teams have gone through great runs (Sunderland and Wigan for example) and never followed up on and thus the great runs are forgotten.

Winning a Premier League title by 10 points after dragging themselves up from bottom of the table in April the previous season is much, much more than 'a great run'. Nothing that can even be remotely compared to anything Sunderland or Wigan have done in the last 20 years. The closest comparason you could get would be Blackburn in '95 I suppose.

I do tend to agree with you that they will fall back into the pack like Blackburn did, and I get that you weren't sold on the fairytale last season, but to call their title winning season 'a great run' is very disingenuous.

A great run of 50 league games

The Talking Bread

zerks wrote: »

https://twitter.com/guardian_sport/status/754629587280228352

Tottenham agree deal to sign Georges-Kévin Nkoudou from Marseille for £11m

Baffled by that, especially 11million. Very average (at best) Admittedly only seen a bit of him playing but it seems many share my opinion. Seems like a transfer for the sake of a transfer by Spurs. Also seems very physically lacking for PL.

Im probably wrong though! two games viewing of him, especially when only 21 is hardly justification. And the fact he has got a 5 year deal is a massive statement of Spurs' opinion on him. So yeah, probably wrong!!

Dirty Dingus McGee

Muff_Daddy wrote: »

Winning a Premier League title by 10 points after dragging themselves up from bottom of the table in April the previous season is much, much more than 'a great run'. Nothing that can even be remotely compared to anything Sunderland or Wigan have done in the last 20 years. The closest comparason you could get would be Blackburn in '95 I suppose.

I do tend to agree with you that they will fall back into the pack like Blackburn did, and I get that you weren't sold on the fairytale last season, but to call their title winning season 'a great run' is very disingenuous.

Fair enough a great run is underplaying it.Although my Sunderland and Wigan reference was a reference to people finding the 10 game run before hand as indicative of it not being a freak occurrence when I pointed out that lots of teams have had ten game streaks of form.

But the overall point I'm making is that last season was basically a freak period of form that won't occur again.

Chelsea,Man City,Man Utd and clubs of that stature do something similar and you wouldn't back against them being able to do it again, I don't think Leicester will get anywhere close and they will revert back to their normal level for both the club and their players.

MD1990

zerks wrote: »

https://twitter.com/guardian_sport/status/754629587280228352

Tottenham agree deal to sign Georges-Kévin Nkoudou from Marseille for £11m

Marseille are in financial difficulty. Good deal & signing from Spurs.

ERG89

zerks wrote: »

https://twitter.com/DiMarzio/status/754625222708301824

Arsenal have contacted Icardi's entourage. Requests meeting in London next week.

His entourage? You mean his wife/agent. She was saying Inter turned down a €50m+ bid from Juve, :rolleyes:
Good player but not worth the trouble.

Glico Man

The second member of Santos' deadly duo finally gets his move to Europe. Having been left behind in Neymar's shadow, Sevilla have signed Ganso on a 5 year deal from Sao Paulo for approximately €9.5 million.

2nd Row Donkey

Glico Man wrote:

. Having been left behind in Neymar's shadow, Sevilla have signed Ganso on a 5 year deal from Sao Paulo for approximately €9.5 million.

9.5m ....


That's a Ganso' load of money.

Eh?

Eh?


Is this on ?
*taps mic*

The Talking Bread

Poor Demba Ba

Click at your own risk


Jesse Lingard getting new deal. Good stuff.

extra gravy

ERG89 wrote: »

His entourage? You mean his wife/agent. She was saying Inter turned down a €50m+ bid from Juve, :rolleyes:
Good player but not worth the trouble.

What other trouble has he caused apart from the Lopez incident? If he was that much hassle, why was he made captain? Just curious as I don't know much about him.

Buford T. Justice XIX

Asmir Begovic from Chelsea to Everton then Diego Lopez from AC Milan to Chelsea?

http://www.football-italia.net/87507/chelsea-set-diego-lopez

Cantona's Collars

https://twitter.com/TonyBarretTimes/status/754782821726781441

Liverpool have made a move for Georginio Wijnaldum, the Newcastle United midfielder, and are hoping a fee can be agreed this week.

Rayne Wooney

Liverpool's team is starting to look like what you'd get if you typed FM wonder kids into Google 4 years ago

Cantona's Collars

https://twitter.com/TeleFootball/status/754795008205742081

Liverpool transfer news:Club agree £3.5million deal with Augsburg for defender Ragnar Klavan.

Cantona's Collars

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

Liverpool's team is starting to look like what you'd get if you typed FM wonder kids into Google 4 years ago

Jamie Carragher says, 'The players we have signed won't win us titles'

Talking to reporters Carragher said:

"The players coming into the club are not what i will call world class superstars"

"They won't come in from mid table teams and transform Liverpool into a world class team, let's be honest"

"I hope the transfer committee can get it right this time around and buy players that can make an impact in the team and not add to numbers"

Thecon21

What's the story with the players Liverpool are looking at and have purchased already anyway?

Nothing wrong with obscure younger signings etc but would have to agree with Carragher.. Maybe hoping the Klopp effect makes up for a lot of it but I'm not so sure.. Could be a stagnation this season for them.. Champs league place would be a massive ask imo

CSF

Thecon21 wrote: »

What's the story with the players Liverpool are looking at and have purchased already anyway?

Nothing wrong with obscure younger signings etc but would have to agree with Carragher.. Maybe hoping the Klopp effect makes up for a lot of it but I'm not so sure.. Could be a stagnation this season for them.. Champs league place would be a massive ask imo

This was the transfer policy he was successful with at Dortmund right? Making new stars rather than buying stars. To be fair, you've got some Ramos and Immobiles in there too, but I'd still be optimistic enough if I was a Liverpool fan until given reason not to be.

inforfun

Saw Wijnaldum making his debut for Feyenoord age 16.
Now 9 years later, i still cant say what his best position in a team is.

His best season at Feyenoord was when playing right behind Castaignos (cfwd) scoring 14 goals in a team that finished 10th in the table but would have been 4 places higher if he hadnt missed an awful lot of chances.
The kind of player that does a job everywhere where you put him but you have always the idea someone else should play there.

He is a nice player, but not €35 million nice.
But then again.... seeing £30 million spend on rubbish with a uk passport, i guess Wijnaldum is worth €35 million

OldRio

Deleted User wrote: »

Was it Emerson's wife who famously described it as a "strange and terrible place"...

Mrs Emerson views on the area may have been coloured by her husbands many and varied sexual exploits with vast numbers of the female population.


Allegedly.

glued

CSF wrote: »

This was the transfer policy he was successful with at Dortmund right? Making new stars rather than buying stars. To be fair, you've got some Ramos and Immobiles in there too, but I'd still be optimistic enough if I was a Liverpool fan until given reason not to be.

It wasn't his transfer policy. I'm pretty sure I read that he allowed the transfer committee at Dortmund to make the decisions and he was happy to work with the players and allow the scouts to do their work. Although no player would be signed against his wishes.

CSF

glued wrote: »

It wasn't his transfer policy. I'm pretty sure I read that he allowed the transfer committee at Dortmund to make the decisions and he was happy to work with the players and allow the scouts to do their work. Although no player would be signed against his wishes.

Oh, I assume it's a similar situation at Liverpool now then? Begs the question as to whether it was the scouting or the coaching that created stars at Dortmund then.