Summer Transfer Window - 2016

OldMrBrennan83

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eagle eye

Patww79 wrote: »

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32 year old Ashley Williams cost Everton £12 million so I'd disagree with your valuation. I think £18 million would be a fair price in the current inflated market.

OldMrBrennan83

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Liam McPoyle

KaiserGunner wrote: »

Clubs, especially premier league clubs don't need the money. So I wouldn't blame West Brom for wanting £25m for one of their starting defenders.
I wouldn't pay that much for him though and Arsenal should be looking for a lot better than Jonny Evans!

Exactly, its a sellers market, particularly PL to PL transfers.

When a "small" team like Watford can turn down £30m for an average striker then you know that no club has to sell unless the player pushes for a move.

eh i dunno

GLaDOS wrote: »

Jonny Evans?

£2.5m?

Every time I think I'm used to the new inflated market, I get shocked by some outrageous fee.

Fixed that for you

Liam McPoyle

Patww79 wrote: »

32 year old Ashley Williams can defend though.

In fairness to Evans, he is a solid enough player.

Certainly not good enough for a team with title ambitions but it's Arsenal so that doesn't matter.

thebaz

eagle eye wrote: »

32 year old Ashley Williams cost Everton £12 million so I'd disagree with your valuation. I think £18 million would be a fair price in the current inflated market.

so you think Evans is a better defender than Williams ? ya having a laugh

GLaDOS

Saul T Nutzz wrote: »

In fairness to Evans, he is a solid enough player.

Certainly not good enough for a team with title ambitions but it's Arsenal so that doesn't matter.

Evans is a crock as well, so will fit in well at Arsenal

thebaz

as an Arsenal fan said to me, the biggest transfer Arsenal missed was Pep G - he would have made Arsenal challenge again.

Buford T. Justice XIX

Saul T Nutzz wrote: »

In fairness to Evans, he is a solid enough player.

Certainly not good enough for a team with title ambitions but it's Arsenal so that doesn't matter.

+£1

Giggsy11

thebaz wrote: »

so you think Evans is a better defender than Williams ? ya having a laugh

Saying Evans should cost more than Williams doesn't mean OP was saying Evans was better defender.

inforfun

£25 million for Evans..... sigh.

I bet you could get the best defender of wc2014 (by stats, not by that crooked jury decision) from Lazio who is only 24 and will be able to pass the ball around the Arsenal way.

JonnyM

Gooners seem to be desperate now and clubs know that. So any club they put a bid into will just give a PFO (Please fcuk of) fee and if they match it.... well your laughing!

Giggsy11

Market price is not surprising but the way people react every single time is surprising. It's known thing that it costs a lot to buy from PL clubs.

HalloweenJack

Williams might be the better defender but Evans is four years younger and only moved to West Brom last year. I imagine he has a lot longer left on his contract than Williams had.

Chancer3001

Evans isn't good enough for a title winning side?

He played 23 times in the league for a united side that won the league.

He earlier played 13 times in the league for a utd side that won the league.

Personally I don't think he's very good. But to say hes not good enough for a league winning side is so clearly wrong. I actually think he's better now than he was then too.

eagle eye

thebaz wrote: »

so you think Evans is a better defender than Williams ? ya having a laugh

No, I think they are pretty much the same level. Evans is a lot younger so is worth more.

Buford T. Justice XIX

Chancer3001 wrote: »

Evans isn't good enough for a title winning side?

He played 23 times in the league for a united side that won the league.

He earlier played 13 times in the league for a utd side that won the league.

Personally I don't think he's very good. But to say hes not good enough for a league winning side is so clearly wrong. I actually think he's better now than he was then too.

That's not exactly saying a whole lot.

Giggsy11

Buford T. Justice V wrote: »

That's not exactly saying a whole lot.

He was very good CB for ManUtd. Not good enough to organize and lead the defense but good enough to play in the team.

Johner

Evans is decent, an above average centre back. £25m is ridiculous though even in today's market. I would have thought 15m would be more than fair.

Jayop

Johner wrote: »

Evans is decent, an above average centre back. £25m is ridiculous though even in today's market. I would have thought 15m would be more than fair.

Sellers market and they don't need to sell.

Lord TSC

Jayop wrote: »

Sellers market and they don't need to sell.

Yeap. Coupled with the fact there's only a week left in the window, Arsenal are very obviously desperate and Evans only just signed so is on a big contract. Plus homegrown (afaik) and was the Fans POTY for the team last year.

As a United fan, we know that waiting till this close to the end of the window to try and strengthen a weak area is a bad move. You will end up paying over the odds. If you want to avoid that, then a month ago was the time to make the moves...

thebaz

eagle eye wrote: »

No, I think they are pretty much the same level. Evans is a lot younger so is worth more.

Williams is a proven top quality defender - Evans is at best average - I know who I would pick and prefer in my team every time.

eagle eye

thebaz wrote: »

Williams is a proven top quality defender - Evans is at best average - I know who I would pick and prefer in my team every time.

Rubbish, it's the other way around if anything. Evans was a regular starter on a Premier league winning team and was a regular starter for United right up until Louis Van Gaal decided he didn't like him. He went to West Brom and has been said above was the fans player of the season.

Williams has consistently looked good at Swansea but he has only ever played for an average Premier league side. Evans has played at the highest level before and he is a lot younger too.

eagle eye

This is a major shock.

Brendan Galloway gone on loan to West Brom for the season.

Just to clarify. Tony Pulis has signed a full back!!!

martyos121

eagle eye wrote: »

This is a major shock.

Brendan Galloway gone on loan to West Brom for the season.

Just to clarify. Tony Pulis has signed a full back!!!

If he doesn't come back to Everton as a left winger I'll be shocked.

Blatter

eagle eye wrote: »

This is a major shock.

Brendan Galloway gone on loan to West Brom for the season.

Just to clarify. Tony Pulis has signed a full back!!!

Relax, I'm sure he's gonna play him on the wing!

Skylinehead

Blatter wrote: »

Relax, I'm sure he's gonna play him on the wing!

Don't be silly, he plays central midfielders on his wings

Liamalone

Galloway is actually a centre half, filled in capably at left back last season for Baines right enough.

thebaz

eagle eye wrote: »

Rubbish, it's the other way around if anything. Evans was a regular starter on a Premier league winning team and was a regular starter for United right up until Louis Van Gaal decided he didn't like him. He went to West Brom and has been said above was the fans player of the season.

Williams has consistently looked good at Swansea but he has only ever played for an average Premier league side. Evans has played at the highest level before and he is a lot younger too.

Rubbish - Evans is not a better defender than Williams - end of

MagicIRL

thebaz wrote: »

Rubbish - Evans is not a better defender than Williams - end of

Alright, well that ends that. Great talk fellas, some good points made on both sides, but I feel this rebutle is just too much of a blow to come back from.

I think it's time we closed up the thread and just went about our separate ways.

Liam McPoyle

thebaz wrote: »

Rubbish - Evans is not a better defender than Williams - end of

There isn't that big a gulf between them tbh.

There is reason Williams never played for a top 4 contender.

Plus Evans is 4 years younger than him, Williams has zero resale value.

Chancer3001

Evans has a championship.

3 premier league titles

4 charity Shields.

3 league cups.

1 club world cup.

He played major roles in many of these triumphs too.

Williams has been solid for Swansea. Good for Wales too.

Pretty evident who's more of a top 4 defender.

Jayop

Chancer3001 wrote: »

Evans has a championship.

3 premier league titles

4 charity Shields.

3 league cups.

1 club world cup.

He played major roles in many of these triumphs too.

Williams has been solid for Swansea. Good for Wales too.

Pretty evident who's more of a top 4 defender.

Moreno?

thebaz

MagicIRL wrote: »

Alright, well that ends that. Great talk fellas, some good points made on both sides, but I feel this rebutle is just too much of a blow to come back from.

I think it's time we closed up the thread and just went about our separate ways.

Nah, you're alright the transfer window has another week to go

Liam O

I seem to remember United breaking a record for not conceding a goal for a certain amount of time. I reckon everyone playing regularly in such a run would have to be pretty good. I wonder what the keeper at the time thought?

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2009/jan/28/daniel-taylor-on-edwin-van-der-sar-premier-league-clean-sheet-record

I've always believed Evans was a very good CB. Capable with the ball at his feet and great at tackling on the ground. While not being elite in the air, he could put in some dominating displays. His worst period was beside a declining Evra in Evra's later years at the club meaning he was dragged out left to cover a lot where players could beat him for pace or force him into a corner. He should have been kept around imo as the likes of Blackett and McNair weren't fit to lace his boots.

thebaz

Chancer3001 wrote: »

Evans has a championship.

3 premier league titles

4 charity Shields.

3 league cups.

1 club world cup.

He played major roles in many of these triumphs too.

Williams has been solid for Swansea. Good for Wales too.

Pretty evident who's more of a top 4 defender.

hardly a key player in any of those achievements ( 4 Charity shields) - Williams was a cornerstone to Wales and Swansea success - as I said, I know who I would want in my team -

CantGetNoSleep

eagle eye wrote: »

This is a major shock.

Brendan Galloway gone on loan to West Brom for the season.

Just to clarify. Tony Pulis has signed a full back!!!

Always thought he was a CB just in the team at LB

Liam O

thebaz wrote: »

hardly a key player in any of those achievements ( 4 Charity shields) - Williams was a cornerstone to Wales and Swansea success - as I said, I know who I would want in my team -

What Swansea success is this?

Also i highly doubt NI would have made many major tournaments without Evans back there.

thebaz

Liam O wrote: »

What Swansea success is this?

the past few years have been the most successful in Swansea's history, been/survival in the Premiership is success for Swansea

Harry Palmr

Guardian has transfer windows for the last three summers, http://www.theguardian.com/football/ng-interactive/2016/aug/23/premier-league-transfer-window-summer-2016-interactive

Liverpool sales have covered a lot of activity Total 2014–2016: players in £258.35m, players out £199.65m

Man Utd's spending is astronomical! Total 2014–2016: players in £405.8m, players out £102.74m

Southamptons' books are not quite as bathed in black ink as you'd imagine
Total 2014–2016: players in £120.85m, players out £169.5m 50m profit is good but somehow it feels like it should be much more!

Rayne Wooney

The power of Fergie, United went from spending 40 million on average per season between 07-13 winning 4 league titles, 2 league cups and a champions league to average 120 million a season between 13 and now just winning an FA cup in the process.

Liverpool outspent United between 07-13, 330 million to 260 million.

The man is unparalleled.

raze_them_all_

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

The power of Fergie, United went from spending 40 million on average per season between 07-13 winning 4 league titles, 2 league cups and a champions league to average 120 million a season between 13 and now just winning an FA cup in the process.

Liverpool outspent United between 07-13, 330 million to 260 million.

The man is unparalleled.

Fergie didnt have to do a massive rebuild then lets be honest, 3 bad years and a massive rebuild was needed and is thankfully underway

Giggsy11

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Guardian has transfer windows for the last three summers, http://www.theguardian.com/football/ng-interactive/2016/aug/23/premier-league-transfer-window-summer-2016-interactive

Liverpool sales have covered a lot of activity Total 2014–2016: players in £258.35m, players out £199.65m

Man Utd's spending is astronomical! Total 2014–2016: players in £405.8m, players out £102.74m

Southamptons' books are not quite as bathed in black ink as you'd imagine
Total 2014–2016: players in £120.85m, players out £169.5m 50m profit is good but somehow it feels like it should be much more!

Not surprising that ManUtd didn't recoup lot of money, players usually stay for years and are sold only when they are deemed not good enough (bar few exceptions).

gosplan

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Guardian has transfer windows for the last three summers, http://www.theguardian.com/football/ng-interactive/2016/aug/23/premier-league-transfer-window-summer-2016-interactive

Liverpool sales have covered a lot of activity Total 2014–2016: players in £258.35m, players out £199.65m

Man Utd's spending is astronomical! Total 2014–2016: players in £405.8m, players out £102.74m

Southamptons' books are not quite as bathed in black ink as you'd imagine
Total 2014–2016: players in £120.85m, players out £169.5m 50m profit is good but somehow it feels like it should be much more!

Arsenal investing slightly more in net terms than Chelsea over the last few years. Posted that the other day in Arsenal thread. Not too surprising given how poor the squad was in terms of value after RVP left.

Roman has surprised me though.

The Talking Bread

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

The power of Fergie, United went from spending 40 million on average per season between 07-13 winning 4 league titles, 2 league cups and a champions league to average 120 million a season between 13 and now just winning an FA cup in the process.

Liverpool outspent United between 07-13, 330 million to 260 million.

The man is unparalleled.

In fairness, Ferguson left United with their worst squad in many a year when he retired. There was a lot of positions that we should have invested in a year or so beforehand.
When Moyes took over the squad needed rebuilding and unffortunately
Ageing and retiring players
Ferdinand, Giggs, Evra, Vidic, Scholes, Hernandez, Nani, Welbeck,Andersen, Berbatov, Fletcher and a few more all left just before or a season after Fergie left left in 2013.,That is one huge core of important players. We were left with a relatively average squad compared to yester years.

Fergie has to take some blame for not investing in the future a season or two before departing. It resulted in panic purchases and huge asking prices where selling clubs seized on our desperation to buy established and experienced players

Skylinehead

gosplan wrote: »

Arsenal investing slightly more in net terms than Chelsea over the last few years. Posted that the other day in Arsenal thread. Not too surprising given how poor the squad was in terms of value after RVP left.

Roman has surprised me though.

That's what happens when clubs like PSG want David Luiz.

lassykk

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Guardian has transfer windows for the last three summers, http://www.theguardian.com/football/ng-interactive/2016/aug/23/premier-league-transfer-window-summer-2016-interactive

Liverpool sales have covered a lot of activity Total 2014–2016: players in £258.35m, players out £199.65m

Man Utd's spending is astronomical! Total 2014–2016: players in £405.8m, players out £102.74m

Southamptons' books are not quite as bathed in black ink as you'd imagine
Total 2014–2016: players in £120.85m, players out £169.5m 50m profit is good but somehow it feels like it should be much more!

Of the £169.5 taken in by Southampton around £100m came from Liverpool!

In fairness United spent that on Pogba alone but Liverpool have spent a lot of time in the Southampton shop!

sword1

lassykk wrote: »

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Clyne,lovern, lallana and mane are all first team starters though, good value

lassykk

sword1 wrote: »

Clyne,lovern, lallana and mane are all first team starters though, good value

Wasn't a pop. Just an observation.

In today's market they would definitely be good value. Only one that didn't work out was lambert and he was the cheapest of the lot