Terminator: Dark Fate **Spoilers from post 983**

Goodshape

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

My view is if this turns out bad it's time to bury it.

Time to stop exhuming and haphazardly reanimating the rotting corpse, you mean.

Kermit.de.frog

Just pretend the last 3 movies didn't happen and it will be grand

pixelburp

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

He didn't actively work on that movie though.

He is the Producer here.

You would expect something better than the previous 3 surely.

Could still happen. Just one or two things suggest it could be going the wrong direction....yet again.

My view is if this turns out bad it's time to bury it.

Producers do many things; I mean sure, he's not Executive Producer which really would equate to having no input, but I wouldn't automatically assume Cameron has an active hand in the production.

If he was willing to go to bat for Genisys and sing its praises, he's obviously more than happy to do whatever it takes for some sweet submarine money to fund his ocean voyages.

I honestly think James Cameron, director, checked out of Hollywood years ago.

Kermit.de.frog

Give me hope!

pixelburp

Naw Hope is only ever dashed, whereas at least in having no expectations, if the final film turns out to be decent it'll be a pleasant surprise

These days though, all I ask of Cameron is a BluRay of The Abyss.

Corvo

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

I was excited until yesterday when I saw that a scene was shown with two military transport planes colliding mid flight and the stalker terminator jumping from one to the other mid air.

My curtains have just caught fire.

Seriously, why not just revert to the almost horror like atmosphere of the first movie, or even the more low-key action of the second (low key in comparison to the more recent Michael Bay like pish)

Church on Tuesday

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Just pretend the last 3 movies didn't happen and it will be grand

I'm actually fine with the timeline of T3 and Salvation (genuinely not that bad of a film).

Genisysis or however it's spelt tried to mess with the timeline and brought back Arnie for that feel good nostalgia factor and it was awful.

Have a feeling this will be the same TBH.

A follow up to Salvation would have been better, completely focusing on a future war this time taking it's que from the depictions in the first two films and not daytime action like Salvation largely was.

I mean, that's all fans really want at this stage.

Kermit.de.frog

Corvo wrote: »

My curtains have just caught fire.

Seriously, why not just revert to the almost horror like atmosphere of the first movie, or even the more low-key action of the second (low key in comparison to the more recent Michael Bay like pish)

I don't mind action sequences. I liked the action in T2. Yes it's always absurd but not so absurd that it leaves you with your head in your hands. For that reason T2 was highly entertaining.

But it had a really good story you could follow and characters you can invest in.

It's when the step up is made to a not good story AND literally stupid CGI action where you genuinely can't follow what is going on that I can't stand.

Hopefully this one is not like that.

Just give us a good (hopefully darker) story, good characters and not OTT prolonged action sequences that contribute nothing to the narrative.

And another thing - no attempts at goofy comedy.

"I'm going to see terminator for the crack one liner comedy dialogue" - said NOBODY, EVER.



It can't be too much to ask.

Church on Tuesday

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

I don't mind action sequences. I liked the action in T2. Yes it's always absurd but not so absurd that it leaves you with your head in your hands. For that reason T2 was highly entertaining.

But it had a really good story you could follow and characters you can invest in.

It's when the step up is made to a not good story AND literally stupid CGI action where you genuinely can't follow what is going on that I can't stand.

Hopefully this one is not like that.

Just give us a good (hopefully darker) story, good characters and not OTT prolonged action sequences that contribute nothing to the narrative.

And another thing - no attempts at goofy comedy.

"I'm going to see terminator for the crack one liner comedy dialogue" - said NOBODY, EVER.



It can't be too much to ask.

"Talk to the hand"

CatFromHue

T2 worked as well as it was feasible for Skynet to send a Terminator back to kill the Mother and also the young John.

It starts to get a unrealistic when it keeps sending Terminator's back at various times after that.

Kermit.de.frog

Was kind of up for this but hope seems futile unfortunately

Best to go in to it with low expectations.

py2006

https://twitter.com/Schwarzenegger/status/1130820332514873344

Slydice

Oh yeah!

https://twitter.com/Terminator/status/1131183006087929856

Slydice

Trailer at this youtube video at 14:00 Ireland time tomorrow:

Agent Coulson

That poster works.

Kermit.de.frog

Better effort than the first image they put out.

Also Cameron's name/involvement going to feature heavily up to release date by the looks of it.

BrookieD

that poster invoked a little Indie film vibe for me...

Slydice

2 minute countdown on the trailer

Slydice wrote: »

Trailer at this youtube video at 14:00 Ireland time tomorrow:

Slydice

Well.. I'm Hyped!

pixelburp

Well at first blush it looks to be getting back to basics anyway, a straightforward "cat & mouse" chase narrative, which is welcome after the labyrinthine nonsense of Genisys. The CGI looks pretty rough though - here's hoping that's WIP.

Looks like the teenage girl is the target, but we don't get a why, so bonus points for the trailer not spoiling everything.

Mr E

That was great.... love the music.

Well then, that was great!
Hard tell what role Arnie plays but I'm ok with that. Keep some secrets.

Dades

A little bit meh, for me. Like they could call it The Terminator Awakens.

Rehash the greatest hits and bring back the original gang for the oldies watching.

ZiabR

Not sure what to make of the trailer. Not sold on the cast yet to be honest.

EDIT: What I mean by that is the "new" cast members not the oldies

Dades

Dades wrote: »

A little bit meh, for me. Like they could call it The Terminator Awakens.

Rehash the greatest hits and bring back the original gang for the oldies watching.

This is not at all what the trailer suggests.

brevity

Hmmmm....

Dades

Fred The Red wrote: »

This is not at all what the trailer suggests.

It does to me. YMMV!

Add a dash of Logan in too, for good measure.

Slydice

OK

OK

SO

Possibly yer man might be 2 terminators who can merge as one. With a solid structure body and liquid structure body. Maybe he can wirelessly control both and is actually just one. My guess is two tho..

Yer wan. So she says she's human .. but like.. under the skin we're seeing some armour.. then looking closer, it looks like she's riddled with lines on her skin that look like they were surgical... so guessing she was operated on to put in the armour.

She starts in LA. Not sure where the terminator starts.

Mexico
- the girl seems to be Mexican.
- looks like we have the first fight in a Car assembly plant in Mexico
- onto the train.. up to the border i guess to get into the US
- caught by ICE (American border control I think?).. I'm guessing because..
- looks like fight whiledetained in the cage places where the US was .. (think they stopped) separating children from their parents

Then stuff happens and..
- looks to be two US Army C-5M Super Galaxy aircraft gonna crash into each other and a bit of a mid air fight.

Looks like the Connors are out of the fight. Maybe their future is gone. But looks like the technology gets developed.

I wonder if Judgement Day is gone. Maybe the machines are doing the surgical stuff on humans and mind controlling or something.

Hrmmm Dark Fate...

pixelburp

If this doesn't contain some kind of "passing the torch" arc, then I'll eat my hat. Not saying it's a good or bad thing, but it absolutely gives off that air & standard practise in these kind of movies featuring the older, greyer original cast.

Goodshape

Dades wrote: »

Rehash the greatest hits and bring back the original gang for the oldies watching.

Yeah, that's what I got from the trailer. There'll be set pieces which remind you of the set pieces from that film you love and a couple of faces you recognise. (Oh and JAMES CAMERON is involved!!11!1).

Otherwise it doesn't look like anything yet.

But that's alright. Doesn't look bad yet either. Looks fine.

El Duda

I haven't been this disturbed by a trailer since they dug up the corpse of Cher and stuck her in the Mamma Mia 2 trailer.

Not Linda Hamilton too?! Noooooooooo

Kermit.de.frog

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxPeVTIanzs

Slydice

In the line "Because I was her"... towards the end, it sounds a little like younger Sarahs voice.

batgoat

pixelburp wrote: »

Well at first blush it looks to be getting back to basics anyway, a straightforward "cat & mouse" chase narrative, which is welcome after the labyrinthine nonsense of Genisys. The CGI looks pretty rough though - here's hoping that's WIP.

Looks like the teenage girl is the target, but we don't get a why, so bonus points for the trailer not spoiling everything.

Bit divided on it myself. Like the music, love Hamilton, Mackenzie Davis is well suited to the role imho. One slight concern is the over the top flight sequence. Don't get why it keeps being done in so many movies.

Kermit.de.frog

batgoat wrote: »

Bit divided on it myself. Like the music, love Hamilton, Mackenzie Davis is well suited to the role imho. One slight concern is the over the top flight sequence. Don't get why it keeps being done in so many movies.

That scene is the one downside for me. I was hoping they would resist OTT CGI action that make your eyes role.

Longer Cameron interview. Gives away some additional nuggets. Confirms Arnie is yet again a T-800 *sigh*

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9oNjdgCeRg

Slydice

So black colour of the terminator skeleton.. carbon fibre maybe? or something mixed with carbon? titanium?
*googles*
Carbotanium? Is that a thing?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbotanium

nix

My guess is, since they "delayed" judgement day, John Connor is no longer the new leader of the resistance as he will likely be granddad/dead when the time comes and the mexican girl is the new "Sarah Connor" who will give birth to the new leader. Passing of the torch no doubt indeed..

As for how it looks, the effects look terrible, the cgi looks on par with syfy channel sh!te. How does T2 still look better nearly 30 years later?

I wasnt sold on Gabriel Luna playing ghost rider, but all in all he done a good job. I can't see him being a good Terminator though, hopefully I'm wrong again..

I'm not very hopeful after that trailer If I'm honest, it looks like yet another feminist circle jerk :rolleyes:

Tazzimus

nix wrote: »

As for how it looks, the effects look terrible, the cgi looks on par with syfy channel sh!te. How does T2 still look better nearly 30 years later?

T2 used mostly practical effects didn't it? They always look better than CGI IMO.

I always find they've never quite mastered people with CGI yet, they look too rubbery or something.
Worst example I remember seeing at the time was Blade 2, that one in particular stuck in my mind

Slydice

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9oNjdgCeRg

So..

• All Happens in 36 hours
• "This is gonna be an R-Rated movie so I can swear"
• 3 Film arc if this film is successful in the box office

Starting to feel the trailer hasn't given away a lot.

El Duda

That Cameron video...

"How many empowered over 60 female characters are there? None"

".. she is bad grandma with a shotgun!"


Yeah, cos we haven't seen that anywhere in the last year...

pixelburp

Tazzimus wrote: »

T2 used mostly practical effects didn't it? They always look better than CGI IMO.

I always find they've never quite mastered people with CGI yet, they look too rubbery or something.
Worst example I remember seeing at the time was Blade 2, that one in particular stuck in my mind

Apart from the T-1000 yeah, like Jurassic Park there was very 'little' CGI in Terminator 2.

The same complaint about CGI quality has been made about the MCU films; that the Iron Man FX from (say) 2010s sequel looks better than Infinity Wars equivalent. I think the problem comes down to how much like sweatshops FX companies have become, and how little time or money they're given to get the job done.

ILM were the only game in town in the early 90s so if you wanted your cutting edge FX, you waited. Now I believe FX houses are under pressure to delivery more, with less.

cursai

I think it looks fantastic! A return to form for the series.










cop on to yourself. Better CGI in a condom

McDermotX

Hmm......not looking good at all, is it ?

Nothing to really grab you, which has to be the point of teasers. They've done a lot of talking on this one, Miller and Cameron, so they have to deliver something to wash away the bad taste of the previous efforts.

Always willing to keep an open mind, but not feeling it at all with that teaser. Gonna take a hell of lot more than.....'ooohh, look ! Its Linda !'

py2006

Well that looks awful.

What's with the cheap looking CGI???

py2006

Looks like Arnie is reduced to a cameo. Prob not a terminator but just the guy they based the terminators features on.

McDermotX

py2006 wrote: »

Looks like Arnie is reduced to a cameo. Prob not a terminator but just the guy they based the terminators features on.

Hard to say.......ignoring T3 as they do they can, of course, go down that route, but they can just as easily fudge some explanation about how he's around post T2's end.....different cyborg from the future, or a wizard did it etc

Production preview teaser, released at the same time as the trailer earlier, has him listed at T-800, but who knows ?

batgoat

py2006 wrote: »

Well that looks awful.

What's with the cheap looking CGI???

Wouldn't be hugely concerned about the CGI, won't be out until November so likely still work to be done.

Kermit.de.frog

py2006 wrote: »

Looks like Arnie is reduced to a cameo. Prob not a terminator but just the guy they based the terminators features on.

Cameron says in his interview that he is a terminator.


Also that fight scene involving Gabriel Luna looks like it takes place on the US/Mexico border and they are border guards rather than the army.


Also the train they are on top of with the South American migrants on it...(which could indicate them returning to the US side of the border later in the movie presumably)

I hope they don't go the route of embedded political messaging all over this with the border as a prop.

It's not required. Just tell a good story.

TerrorFirmer

Honestly not hugely gone on that trailer. It looks perfectly fine as an entertaining popcorn flick and I'd be the first to go and see it, but it doesn't really give much ground to expect a lot more from it than Genisys.

Over-designed, with far too much going on, completely unnecessarily, in half of the scenes in the trailer. I wish they would resist that urge to make everything these days a huge CGI-driven, explosion filled, assault on the senses.

Like, it works for Marvel sure, but there's an underlying intelligence to most of those movies that justifies it, or even enhances the experience to a large degree.

With stuff like Genisys, it's just explosion after explosion, quip after quip, with very little actual meat on the bones (or should I say, endoskeleton...) to make any sort of meaningful or lasting impression.

Entertaining, but Terminator needs to be radically pared down and rebooted in a far more meaningful, grounded and thoughtful way than the trailer appears to suggest this movie is doing.

Something like a T1/T2 hybrid, rather than a T3/Genisys hybrid.

OU812

Impossible physics is not what I'm looking for in this movie.