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Cork City an increasingly dangerous place

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    #62
    goochy
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    I wonder if some of the contributors on this forum going on about what they find on the streets on a w/ end morning are perhaps not local to this country and come from places where everything is perfect but very bland and boring and no one has fun - drinks too much the odd time and maybe pukes up ?

    I am all for having a clean city but we are not Switzerland or Singapore and if someone thinks we should be like them is in the wrong place.


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    #63
    Elemonator
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    I dare you to come to Dublin and walk around at night, you won't remember what safety is!


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    #64
    j8wk2feszrnpao
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    opus wrote: »
    I moved to a street just off Shandon around 1.5 years ago and find it grand. Would say I walked around there around 20 times at various times of the day & night before making the move to check out the area.
    Can you confirm if those poor Italian tourists that were seen walking up Shandon Street with selfie sticks actually made it out alive :P


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    #65
    leahyl
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    CHealy wrote: »
    - every city with pop. of over 100,000 every weekend, get a life.

    No need for the last part. Cut it out.


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    #66
    bk
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    goochy wrote: »
    love winding up my Dub mates about what a kip it is - they like cork but still think Dublins great - Dubs think junkies being all around the place is a normal thing rather than it being really scary.

    As a Corkonian living in Dublin, most junkies really aren't dangerous.

    Sure I wouldn't like to live with one and their begging can be annoying, but most really aren't "dangerous", just annoying mostly.

    BTW the large number of junkies publicly present in Ireland is just a sad reflection of our governments failed policy towards dealing with the root cause of drug and alcohol addiction.
    Elemonator wrote: »
    I dare you to come to Dublin and walk around at night, you won't remember what safety is!

    I do that about 3 nights a week while socialising in Dublin city center. My girlfriend use to walk home alone every night around 2 to 3am around Parnell Street. Neither of us have ever experienced any problems.
    Blackie Grey wrote: »
    Gardai had to use pepper spray the other night to break up a scrap female garda assaulted -cork city center

    Haha and you think that is dangerous, let me tell you what living in a really dangerous city is like.

    My Brazillian friend lives in a city about the same size as Cork. Her sister had two of her classmates kidnapped from right outside the front door of the school into a van. They were raped and only released two weeks later once their families paid a ransom. This incident didn't even make the local city news!

    People who think Cork is dangerous are laughable. You all have no idea how good we in Ireland have it. We live in one of the safest countries in the world with some of the lowest crime levels in the world.

    We do have some issues around alcohol and drug addiction and they should be tackled. But other then taking the normal precautions you would take in any European city, there really isn't much to be afraid of.

    Honestly people here are coming across as extremely sheltered. People should do a lot more travelling and they would discover how lucky we have it here in Ireland.


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    #67
    xabi
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    goochy wrote: »
    I wonder if some of the contributors on this forum going on about what they find on the streets on a w/ end morning are perhaps not local to this country and come from places where everything is perfect but very bland and boring and no one has fun - drinks too much the odd time and maybe pukes up ?

    I am all for having a clean city but we are not Switzerland or Singapore and if someone thinks we should be like them is in the wrong place.

    What was I thinking, sure what's the harm in a bit of puke, sure we were just having fun. I'm all for a bit of craic, I just don't want to see any of your bodily fluids on the streets the next day.


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    #68
    bk
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    xabi wrote: »
    What was I thinking, sure what's the harm in a bit of puke, sure we were just having fun. I'm all for a bit of craic, I just don't want to see any of your bodily fluids on the streets the next day.

    Sure, but now we have gone from Cork being a "dangerous" place, to Cork being slightly untidy :rolleyes:


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    #69
    Tomagotchye
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    I don't think Cork is overly dangerous even though one of my work friends was stabbed and another robbed outside an atm so they claim. I do see some fights, one outside gate cinema where some young lads started boxing heads randomly.

    It is kinda dirty though. People pissing, seen more men pissing than in any other city I have lived in. Lot of crap around the place too. I do hear a lot about needles too


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    #70
    Totally Tropical
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    Considering that Cork is substantially bigger than the other urban areas outside of Dublin i think Cork is a safe city for it's size.It has it's bad element but so does everywhere.Of course it has it's problems but i still think Cork is Irelands nicest city.Of all the cities i do business in Limerick Cork Dublin and Liverpool they all have their share of robberies attacks assaults and undesirables etc.You have good and bad everywhere.


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    #71
    xabi
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    Tomagotchye wrote: »
    I don't think Cork is overly dangerous even though one of my work friends was stabbed and another robbed outside an atm so they claim. I do see some fights, one outside gate cinema where some young lads started boxing heads randomly.

    It is kinda dirty though. People pissing, seen more men pissing than in any other city I have lived in. Lot of crap around the place too. I do hear a lot about needles too

    Thankfully someone else seeing what I'm seeing.


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    #72
    Special Circumstances
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    bk wrote: »
    Sure, but now we have gone from Cork being a "dangerous" place, to Cork being slightly untidy :rolleyes:

    It has me demoralised to the point of self destruction so it has. :pac:


    That "demoralised"post was pure gold. Wish there was some kinda book mark feature in your boards account.


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    #73
    Totally Tropical
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    gimmick wrote: »
    Ya, the name stab city is there as a joke.

    No it was a slur from the 80's that unfortunately stuck.Im all for defending Cork (this from a man who thinks Cork is the best city on the planet!) but there's no need for that.Limerick is a great city with great people just like Cork.


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    #74
    goochy
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    Well I think if someone has such a negative view of where They are living maybe they should move on.
    I am a respectable person but when younger drank too much and didn't keep it all in the odd time.
    I don't like dirt on streets any more than next person but just think maybe some people need to accept we are not Singapore and we don't want to be either.

    If u dont get the Irish culture maybe it's not the place for u.


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    #75
    flo8s967qjh0nd
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    xabi wrote: »
    that's your impression, mine is different and a lot of people I know have the same opinion, Cork is not a safe city. I recently had reason to be in Gurranabraher and Shandon Street, I felt really uneasy there and couldn't wait to get away.

    Used needles left in parks, outside schools, in family restaurants, muggings with machetes', unprovoked attacks every weekend, drunks freely pissing on the street, being accosted by junkies and drunks every single time im out, the list goes on...

    I simply don't recognise this as the same city I live in at all. I've lived and worked in various parts of Cork city centre all my life and simply have never experienced what you described. That's not to say isolated, often extreme, events do not take place but the notion that people are walking around in perpetual fear of marauding gangs and junkies is simply laughable. Reinforcing that myth is itself unhelpful.


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    #76
    Ice Maiden
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    Blackie Grey wrote: »
    Gardai had to use pepper spray the other night to break up a scrap female garda assaulted -cork city center
    Well yeah these things happen in cities - you have to look at the overall picture rather than individual incidents though, when determining how safe or dangerous it is.

    I see the bar has dropped now though, from Cork being a disaster zone to dirty.


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    #77
    Totally Tropical
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    There's been no murders in Cork this year.No gangland murders and we don't have armed gardai patrolling the streets 24/7 either.Dangerous city my ass Cork is one of the safest cities in western Europe.:)


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    #78
    xabi
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    goochy wrote: »
    Well I think if someone has such a negative view of where They are living maybe they should move on.
    I am a respectable person but when younger drank too much and didn't keep it all in the odd time.
    I don't like dirt on streets any more than next person but just think maybe some people need to accept we are not Singapore and we don't want to be either.

    If u dont get the Irish culture maybe it's not the place for u.

    How is puking in the street culture? Seriously?


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    #79
    xabi
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    Serenity Colossal Gin wrote: »
    I simply don't recognise this as the same city I live in at all. I've lived and worked in various parts of Cork city centre all my life and simply have never experienced what you described. That's not to say isolated, often extreme, events do not take place but the notion that people are walking around in perpetual fear of marauding gangs and junkies is simply laughable. Reinforcing that myth is itself unhelpful.

    Those things I mentioned happend in the past month, Google if you don't believe me. No one is saying people are walking around in fear of their life, but it can be intimidating at times.


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    #80
    davidglanza
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    bk wrote: »
    As a Corkonian living in Dublin, most junkies really aren't dangerous.

    Sure I wouldn't like to live with one and their begging can be annoying, but most really aren't "dangerous", just annoying mostly.

    BTW the large number of junkies publicly present in Ireland is just a sad reflection of our governments failed policy towards dealing with the root cause of drug and alcohol addiction.



    I do that about 3 nights a week while socialising in Dublin city center. My girlfriend use to walk home alone every night around 2 to 3am around Parnell Street. Neither of us have ever experienced any problems.



    Haha and you think that is dangerous, let me tell you what living in a really dangerous city is like.

    My Brazillian friend lives in a city about the same size as Cork. Her sister had two of her classmates kidnapped from right outside the front door of the school into a van. They were raped and only released two weeks later once their families paid a ransom. This incident didn't even make the local city news!

    People who think Cork is dangerous are laughable. You all have no idea how good we in Ireland have it. We live in one of the safest countries in the world with some of the lowest crime levels in the world.

    We do have some issues around alcohol and drug addiction and they should be tackled. But other then taking the normal precautions you would take in any European city, there really isn't much to be afraid of.

    Honestly people here are coming across as extremely sheltered. People should do a lot more travelling and they would discover how lucky we have it here in Ireland.
    I lived in Brazil for 3 years my wife is from Brazil and I don't think it's any worse than here..
    Sure you have your rough areas but so does ireland..
    I'm from cork and live up the north side and again I don't find it dangerous...


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    #81
    pesy
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    I'm from Donegal, and lived in Cork for a few years whilst at CIT. I never had any trouble until one friday evening the missus and me went for a few drinks in Preachers on Washington street, we decided to get a bus out of the city after 22:00 but decided to leave early to pick up something quick to eat on the way back.

    We headed across the road towards up S Main street past bricklane when we were met by 3 girls and a lad dressed up for a night out. As we passed, one girl asked us had we a spare fag but we didn't smoke so she said "cheers" and walked off to catch up with the others who kept walking. All of a sudden I heard someone run back towards us, as we turned the same girl swung a punch and hit my missus right on the nose. She then proceeded to head butt her, I pushed her to the ground and puck my missus up. At this stage the rest of them were around us and one of them jabbed me pretty badly on my shoulder with the point of an umbrella she had, I had no choice and just hit her a smack as hard as I could on the chest. We were lucky as bouncers from bricklane ran out to help us. I grabbed my missus and just told her to run.

    It was totally unprovoked, and the thing was they didn't even seem drunk or off their heads, just a case of being sheer knackers, honestly being from Donegal been out in Letterkenny and there are plenty of drunken fights and the like but this was different. I'd never head round the city or at least up the likes of S Main street on my own again.


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    #82
    John_Rambo
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    testaccount123 wrote: »
    We get these weirdos in the Dublin forum all the time lads, they are best ignored. Im off to Cork for the Fran Well Easterfest this weekend, cant wait.

    This.

    We've got the odd crackpot on the Dublin forum carrying on like it's WW3 in Dublin. It's not. Cork's a great city with breathtaking county amenities. I was there last weekend and managed to survive. Yeah, the there was the odd "dodgy character" a few junkies. But, it was good fun, very safe, nice people, a bit parochial compared to Dublin, but that's cool and to be expected, it's smaller. Once the chat started everyone was fine.

    I was up early, "pools of vomit, blood and urine, needles everywhere?

    There weren't.

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    Elemonator wrote: »
    I dare you to come to Dublin and walk around at night, you won't remember what safety is!

    Dare accepted, I do, have done and will continue to do so, all the time. I lived in North inner city Dublin for twelve years as a singleton walking home at all hours of the morning and night. I still spend a lot of time in Dublin city day and night. Nothing ever happened to me.

    There are muggings, beatings, rapes, fights etc.. everywhere. Most of the former three in the home or rural and city dwellers.

    There are more nice people in cities than there are in rural areas, there are more bad people in cities than there are in rural areas. There are more people in cities than rural areas.

    Dublin and Cork are very very very safe cities. Irish cities are safe. The safest in the world

    If you have concerns about your city, don't listen to tabloid radio shows and start hysterical, panic posting on a thread in boards.ie. Start a thread asking how to improve things, how to get involved with local groups, volunteer. Maybe contact your local representatives. Do something about it if you're that concerned.
    Blackie Grey wrote: »
    Gardai had to use pepper spray the other night to break up a scrap female garda assaulted -cork city center

    Would you rather the Gardai sang nice songs to break up the scrap?


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    #83
    SteelyDanJalapeno
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    A young girl's face destroyed yesterday by a man with a Stanley knife at 1PM on Friar's Street.

    http://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/woman-suffers-serious-facial-injuries-in-cork-knife-attack-1.2585509


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    #84
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    TiltedBrain wrote: »
    A young girl's face destroyed yesterday by a man with a Stanley knife at 1PM on Friar's Street.

    http://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/woman-suffers-serious-facial-injuries-in-cork-knife-attack-1.2585509


    Missing the all important context here:
    Gardaí say they believe that the woman may have been deliberately targeted.
    One line of inquiry which gardaí are investigating is whether the attack may relate to an incident involving a dispute between two young women in Cork city earlier this month.
    A dispute broke out on Drawbridge Street near Patrick Street around 3pm on March 16 between two young women in their 20s in which one alleged she was assaulted.


    I'll assume ordinary everyday folk not involved in inter family blood feuds have little cause to expect an increased risk of being mutilated in the city.

    EDIT - there is a different tone to the Indo report on the same incident. On reading the Irish Times it seemed like it was part of some historical dispute/feud. Private beefs between feuding types doesn't bother me much. But if on the other hand the victim is just one of us who stood up to some scummer and received scummer revenge... that is worrying that someone thinks they can go around mutilating people without consequences.


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    #85
    SteelyDanJalapeno
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    Ah! Not dangerous at all so! :rolleyes:


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    12Phase
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    TiltedBrain wrote: »
    A young girl's face destroyed yesterday by a man with a Stanley knife at 1PM on Friar's Street.

    http://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/woman-suffers-serious-facial-injuries-in-cork-knife-attack-1.2585509

    That sounds rather like something that you couldn't police against no matter what level of resources you had.

    Very odd attack and we will just have to wait for details.

    Someone capable of doing that really needs to be locked safely away though for everyone else's safety.


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    #87
    beer enigma
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    TiltedBrain wrote: »
    Ah! Not dangerous at all so! :rolleyes:

    Not random is the point, if you're being deliberately targeted it doesn't matter which city you live in as potentially they could get to you anywhere. They are there for a specific reason and if you are not the target you are unlikely to be hassled.

    The thread seems to be a list of individual incidents blown up into a storm - even the Vatican City had just under 400 'aggravated' pick pocket offences last year - I'd hardly view it as a hotbed of criminality.


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    #88
    mcko
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    More police on the streets move the scum on all the time break their hearts, after a while the word gets out you won't get away with being a scum bag in town, no need to arrest them just keep moving them.


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    j8wk2feszrnpao
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    TiltedBrain wrote: »
    Ah! Not dangerous at all so! :rolleyes:

    In other news, tens of thousands of people get through the day in Cork City without any issue.

    Your story reminds me of this headline, Drive By Shooting in Cork
    But the real story, a gang feud, and it was a pellet gun. But drive by shooting just has a better ring to it.


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    Special Circumstances
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    munstermagic11 wrote: »
    In other news, tens of thousands of people get through the day in Cork City without any issue.

    Your story reminds me of this headline, Drive By Shooting in Cork
    But the real story, a gang feud, and it was a pellet gun. But drive by shooting just has a better ring to it.
    Obligatory Fr Ted reference:

    "Father, did you hear about the whistle being stolen? I'd never thought I'd see the like, What next? Someone will be murdered, and then where are we? Drive-by shootings in the night, it'll be like "Boyz N The Hood" and we'll have whores selling their wares on the street and the pimps will be using crack to keep the whores under control, I'm going now to lock myself in the basement until they catch that fella, goodbye to you Father"


    Shur isn't weeing in alleyways at closing time is one of the surest signs of the apocalypse!


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    #91
    SteelyDanJalapeno
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    munstermagic11 wrote: »
    In other news, tens of thousands of people get through the day in Cork City without any issue.

    Your story reminds me of this headline, Drive By Shooting in Cork
    But the real story, a gang feud, and it was a pellet gun. But drive by shooting just has a better ring to it.

    Jesus christ a girl got her face slashed open, if you think people walking around with blades willing to do this is not dangerous you're delusional.


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