Buying a PUP advice

cocaliquid

Want to buy a Setter pup the dog owner wants to meet at a petrol station.
The 2 month year old pup is not micro chipped

What should i look out for.

Our should i run for the hills ??

scudzilla

cocaliquid wrote: »

Want to buy a Setter pup the dog owner wants to meet at a petrol station.
The 2 month year old pup is not micro chipped

What should i look out for.

Our should i run for the hills ??

do not go near this, if you buy a pup you should ALWAYS see the pup in his home environment, with his mother and siblings

sillysmiles

Meeting at a petrol station is massive alarm bells.

Are you looking for a puppy for a pet or as a working setter?

muddypaws

Its also illegal now to sell an unmicrochipped pup. If they can't conform to such simple legislation, what important socialisation and health protocols are they also shoddy on?

cocaliquid

Thanks good points

cocaliquid

sillysmiles wrote: »

Meeting at a petrol station is massive alarm bells.

Are you looking for a puppy for a pet or as a working setter?

As a Pet

kylith

This is a regular ploy of backyard breeders; "Ah, sure I'll save you the trip and meet you halfway." "Ah, I forgot the registration documents, I'll post them on". Then the phone number mysteriously stops working and they are never heard from again.

Inexile

run and run fast.... if you want a setter contact the Irish Kennel Club and get a list of breeders.

I dont suppose you found the seller of this pup on a classified website by any chance?

C

Hibrasil

May not even be bred by seller - appropriated from someone else (without consent) .....no need to run...if you don't go near.

Ashbx

Maybe the breeder is actually genuine and trying to make things easier for you. I would insist to meet him at the house, if he then says no...then yes I would avoid them with all costs!

muddypaws

Ashbx wrote: »

Maybe the breeder is actually genuine and trying to make things easier for you. I would insist to meet him at the house, if he then says no...then yes I would avoid them with all costs!

And what about the fact that they are not complying with the law with regard to microchipping?

Ashbx

muddypaws wrote: »

And what about the fact that they are not complying with the law with regard to microchipping?

Technically the breeder doesn't have to do anything right now....the law doesn't come into effect until Friday. But maybe the breeder doesn't want to get it microchipped until they have found a home for the pup!

All I am saying is give the breeder the option to be a genuine guy before the OP just brushes them off.

muddypaws

Ashbx wrote: »

Technically the breeder doesn't have to do anything right now....the law doesn't come into effect until Friday. But maybe the breeder doesn't want to get it microchipped until they have found a home for the pup!

All I am saying is give the breeder the option to be a genuine guy before the OP just brushes them off.

No, sorry that is incorrect, pups have had to be microchipped since June last year.

Ashbx

muddypaws wrote: »

No, sorry that is incorrect, pups have had to be microchipped since June last year.

Not according to the first articles on google....
http://www.rte.ie/news/2016/0330/778230-dogs-microchipping/
http://www.ncm.ie/about/
http://www.thejournal.ie/dog-microchipping-will-be-the-law-2685754-Mar2016/

maggiepip

Ashbx wrote: »

Technically the breeder doesn't have to do anything right now....the law doesn't come into effect until Friday. But maybe the breeder doesn't want to get it microchipped until they have found a home for the pup!

All I am saying is give the breeder the option to be a genuine guy before the OP just brushes them off.

Can't believe you'd think a reputable breeder would hand over a pup to a stranger at a petrol station!!!!! New born pups have had to be chipped since last year, by law. Look up Veterinary Journal Ireland, I can't link from my phone. Its also illegal to purchase an unchipped pup.

Kovu

Ashbx wrote: »

Not according to the first articles on google....
http://www.rte.ie/news/2016/0330/778230-dogs-microchipping/
http://www.ncm.ie/about/
http://www.thejournal.ie/dog-microchipping-will-be-the-law-2685754-Mar2016/

Nope, pup chipping laws are in since last year.
It even says in your first link there ''New rules, introduced last June, meant all puppies must be microchipped before reaching 12 weeks.'' :pac:

Choc Chip

I think the microchipping regs currently only apply when pups hit 12 weeks... it's a redundant point from Friday though!

muddypaws

Choc Chip wrote: »

I think the microchipping regs currently only apply when pups hit 12 weeks... it's a redundant point from Friday though!

No, as of 1st June 2015 all pups born in RoI have to be microchipped. You are right, that part of the legislation will be redundant come Friday anyway, when all dogs have to be.

Choc Chip

Microchipping of Dogs Regulations 2015, Section 2 says that:

"These Regulations apply to—
(a) a dog born after 1 June 2015 upon it reaching the age of 12 weeks,
(b) all dogs to which S.16(1) of the Dog Breeding Establishments Act 2010 applies from 1 September 2015 and
(c) all dogs from 31 March 2016,"

My interpretation would be that before the pup is 12 weeks (or 8 weeks if from a registered breeding establishment), the regs don't apply, but I'm open to correction. Or for everyone to tell me that no one cares because it's soon irrelevant...

Ashbx

maggiepip wrote: »

Can't believe you'd think a reputable breeder would hand over a pup to a stranger at a petrol station!!!!! New born pups have had to be chipped since last year, by law. Look up Veterinary Journal Ireland, I can't link from my phone. Its also illegal to purchase an unchipped pup.

Wow....all I said was ask the breeder to meet at his house before you brush him off completely....He could be honest and genuinely trying to make things easier for the OP by meeting half way! Then I said, if he refuses then I wouldn't go near him. I never once said it was acceptable!!!!

In my original post, I intentionally did not mention a single thing about the microchipping because I don't know the rules/laws. As you can see, not only yourself have corrected me. I have since read it thoroughly and didn't realise that pups had to be microchipped since June 2015. I do now!

maggiepip

Ashbx wrote: »

Wow....all I said was ask the breeder to meet at his house before you brush him off completely....He could be honest and genuinely trying to make things easier for the OP by meeting half way! Then I said, if he refuses then I wouldn't go near him. I never once said it was acceptable!!!!

In my original post, I intentionally did not mention a single thing about the microchipping because I don't know the rules/laws. As you can see, not only yourself have corrected me. I have since read it thoroughly and didn't realise that pups had to be microchipped since June 2015. I do now!

Ok, sorry if I came across a bit smart, but to be fair it would be extremely unlikely for a reputable breeder, reputable meaning the breeder would care about the pups future well being, as well as doing things by the book, to even suggest just handing over a pup to someone they've never met before, in a petrol station. Proper breeders care about who they sell their pups to, not just selling them.

awanderer

Ashbx wrote: »

Not according to the first articles on google....
http://www.rte.ie/news/2016/0330/778230-dogs-microchipping/
http://www.ncm.ie/about/
http://www.thejournal.ie/dog-microchipping-will-be-the-law-2685754-Mar2016/

Adult dogs will have to be microchipped and registered from the end of this month. For puppies that has been the case for several months already .
I am not a great believer in the "reputable breeders" spoken so often about on this forum but I believe that whatever the definition of a "reputable" breeder, a man offering to sell a dog to a person he doesn't know, whose address he will never know and without a microchip (which independantly of any law would at least allow him to be informed if the new owners abandoned it without registrering it in their name first) is not a decent breeder. Surely, if he had developped a bond with the mother (or father) of the puppy, he would want to make sure that the puppy goes to a safe place.
oops, answered the phone in the middle of typing my reply and I can see it is now obsolete. I am sooooo slow!

jimf

lets call a spade a spade if this was a reputable breeder/seller they should have as many questions for you as you have for them

also they would be proud to show you parent or parents in the pups home environment I have been known to grill potential buyers to the point where I have been asked do I want to sell or not

boomerang

Choc Chip wrote: »

I think the microchipping regs currently only apply when pups hit 12 weeks.

Or before they leave the breeder's premises. Whichever comes first. So this breeder is definitely not operating within the law. Shady as feck!

Choc Chip

boomerang wrote: »

Or before they leave the breeder's premises. Whichever comes first. So this breeder is definitely not operating within the law. Shady as feck!

I wouldn't agree with Fido's interpretation, because it's Reg 4, Para 1 of the Microchipping Regulations that imposes the "before it leaves the breeders premises" and Reg 3 Para 2 has dissapplied the Regulations for puppies under 12 weeks born after 1 June 2015 (until tomorrow).

But again, (a) it's not my area of expertise so I could be wrong, (b) I'm being hugely pedantic on a discussion forum, (c) it's irrelevant from tomorrow and (d) I agree that the "breeder" sounds extremely dodge anyway, so I'll stop dragging the thread off topic now!

JustAThought

No doubt the OP has run for the hills himself by now - but I'd say no. What does the seller intend doing - driving a whole litter of puppies miles in ghe booth of his car to let you see them when they are most probably congused & afraid & away from their beds & mom - or will he just being one ( the weakest/least sellable) & expect you to take it because he's now guilting you & pressure selling from the side of the road. At a forecourt you won't be able to observe it properly & will be risking the puppy being hit ir frightened by cars/lorries /string diesel fumes etc. It really sounds far from perfect. At the house you can go in & wk away emptyhanded & know where to go back to if there is a problem.
Regardless of chip/papers etc I'd be running for the hilks. plenty of breeders that will let you come to the house & spend a but of time thinking & considering & comparing - use them!