Are water meters still being installed?

OU812

They haven't been around my area in over 6 months (N. Dublin). There's still tarmcadam around the ones they did install as a temporary fix.

There's about ⅓ of my estate done, (I don't have one). And I'm wondering if they've just laid off everyone or are there some iron clad contracts in place where we're still paying for a load of guys to do nothing (much like our politicians)

kneemos

Yeah was wondering the same,haven't seen them in ages..
Think there's a second phase of installation or something.

The flying mouse

There work is frozen until they find out what government if any is going to pay them for there work.

Unknown Soldier

kneemos wrote: »

Yeah was wondering the same,haven't seen them in ages..
Think there's a second phase of installation or something.

I was wondering if it was all stalled late last year due to the impending election?

And won't start back up until that is all sorted.

I too, was a wondering

Victor

OU812 wrote: »

And I'm wondering if they've just laid off everyone or are there some iron clad contracts in place where we're still paying for a load of guys to do nothing

You're just here to score points, aren't you?

Otherwise, I'm not dignifying your paranoid delusions.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

They have just started in this area in the last fortnight.

boardsuser1

They are alive and well in Cork. Visit the "Gurranabraher says no" Facebook page. They were trying to get into 6 northside estates.

Victor

The flying mouse wrote: »

There work is frozen until they find out what government if any is going to pay them for there work.

If work is done, people usually get paid. There are no special considerations.

The Raptor

KC161 wrote: »

They are alive and well in Cork. Visit the "Gurranabraher says no" Facebook page. They were trying to get into 6 northside estates.

They tried to install a meter in a derelict house, that hadn't a roof and was collecting their own water ???

Things are bad when they want money from the dead... I presume the owner has died to leave the house in such condition.

Guy:Incognito

The Raptor wrote: »

They tried to install a meter in a derelict house, that hadn't a roof and was collecting their own water ???

Things are bad when they want money from the dead... I presume the owner has died to leave the house in such condition.

And if they skipped a property that may be derelict but still has mains water attached , meaning when restoration work is done in the future , a meter crew has to come back and install a meter it would be seen as a typical
Irish waste of money that could have been done in the first place with the rest in the area................

Anyway, meters arent installed "in houses" . They are on public land on the branch of the main. It makes no difference if theres a house or a field in front of it.

tampopo

Yes, being installed in Ranelagh last week.

boardsuser1

The Raptor wrote: »

They tried to install a meter in a derelict house, that hadn't a roof and was collecting their own water ???

Things are bad when they want money from the dead... I presume the owner has died to leave the house in such condition.

I grew up a stones throw from that house. It is like that a good number of years now. It burned down if i remember correctly. Whether or not it is structurally sound to rebuild god only knows. The chimney collapsed as well. Any repair job would be steep. Apparently they get paid by the job to install meters. As was pointed out,a great waste of money.

The Raptor

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

And if they skipped a property that may be derelict but still has mains water attached , meaning when restoration work is done in the future , a meter crew has to come back and install a meter it would be seen as a typical
Irish waste of money that could have been done in the first place with the rest in the area................

Anyway, meters arent installed "in houses" . They are on public land on the branch of the main. It makes no difference if theres a house or a field in front of it.

Isn't it their job to install a meter when building a house? I don't see what the difference is in installing a meter if/when works are being done on such a house. But not before it.

Harry Palmr

They've not shown themselves on my estate since early last Autumn, still loads of houses to be done.

boardsuser1

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

And if they skipped a property that may be derelict but still has mains water attached , meaning when restoration work is done in the future , a meter crew has to come back and install a meter it would be seen as a typical
Irish waste of money that could have been done in the first place with the rest in the area................

Anyway, meters arent installed "in houses" . They are on public land on the branch of the main. It makes no difference if theres a house or a field in front of it.

This is where opinions are conflicting. They say outside your gate is public property, yet if a matter which results in a potential civil action less than 6ft outside it is in your head. I've seen it here in Cork with a neighbour. Yet the stopcock is at most 2ft outside. Is it a case of whichever law suits them?

Phoebas

The flying mouse wrote: »

There work is frozen until they find out what government if any is going to pay them for there work.

Why did you post this when its clearly not true?

Victor

KC161 wrote: »

They say outside your gate is public property, yet if a matter which results in a potential civil action less than 6ft outside it is in your head.

On what basis? Have you been reading too much by the Freemen of the Land?

KC161 wrote: »

Apparently they get paid by the job to install meters.

Just like anyone else.

suicide_circus

http://m.independent.ie/irish-news/election-2016/micheal-martin-tells-enda-kenny-axe-water-bills-or-face-a-second-election-34574023.html

So FF won't support FG in forming a government unless they suspend water charges. FG saying no way José.

Phoebas

suicide_circus wrote: »

http://m.independent.ie/irish-news/election-2016/micheal-martin-tells-enda-kenny-axe-water-bills-or-face-a-second-election-34574023.html

So FF won't support FG in forming a government unless they suspend water charges. FG saying no way José.

Its a sad state of affairs if they feel that a temporary suspension of water charges is the most important issue facing the country.

Senior sources in Fianna Fáil say the single biggest obstacle to a deal is
the parties' stances on water charges.

I'd take that story with a pinch of salt.

Water John

I'd take most Indo political stories with that pinch of salt.
But you can see if FF are in opposition, they will not give this hostage to those on their left in that opposition. We saw well how SF tried to use the issue already in the Dail.
If I was in FG, the choice between being in Govt or facing a second election on this issue is a no brainer.

gladrags

Phoebas wrote: »

Its a sad state of affairs if they feel that a temporary suspension of water charges is the most important issue facing the country.

Sad for you.

gladrags

OU812 wrote: »

They haven't been around my area in over 6 months (N. Dublin). There's still tarmcadam around the ones they did install as a temporary fix.

There's about ⅓ of my estate done, (I don't have one). And I'm wondering if they've just laid off everyone or are there some iron clad contracts in place where we're still paying for a load of guys to do nothing (much like our politicians)

There are many highly populated areas of Dublin,that have no meters installed.

Both North and South.

12Phase

Seems my house doesn't have a stopcock. Nobody's ever been able to locate one. So they skipped us.

Installation has been ongoing tho and our water was Coca-Cola coloured as a result on several occasions.

arybvtcw0eolkf

We ran the bastards from my estate then put blockades to the estate entrance and an early warning system in place in case they showed up again.

We have one entrance for entry & exit into our estate, we're motivated and the whores will never plant a meter here.

OU812

Victor wrote: »

You're just here to score points, aren't you?

Otherwise, I'm not dignifying your paranoid delusions.

Not at all, We have a long & less than illustrious history of contracts having to be bought out at great expense.

It wouldn't surprise me to hear that they've temporarily laid off installers while awaiting clarification while still being paid for the duration of the contract.

They were run from my estate after completing about ⅓ of them (over a very long time, they got maybe four or five a day done). I can't see them coming back. There's none at my house & if they do figure this thing out, I'm not paying without a meter.

my3cents

12Phase wrote: »

Seems my house doesn't have a stopcock. Nobody's ever been able to locate one. So they skipped us.

Installation has been ongoing tho and our water was Coca-Cola coloured as a result on several occasions.

They have come here twice looking for stopcock and they were told exactly where it is (at the base of a hedge) and each time they have gone off and looked in the wrong place.

Part of our rural road has been done but none where the stopcock isn't in your face startlingly obvious. Neighbor got missed as he had his car left parked over the meter. So it looks to me like they are just cherry picking the easy work to do.

fin12

There still being installed last week Sunday's well in Cork city.

maudgonner

my3cents wrote: »

So it looks to me like they are just cherry picking the easy work to do.

I suppose it makes sense really. If they're being paid by the unit and there's uncertainty whether the contract will be scrapped before completion, leave the trickier (and more costly) ones till last.

kneemos

my3cents wrote: »

They have come here twice looking for stopcock and they were told exactly where it is (at the base of a hedge) and each time they have gone off and looked in the wrong place.

Part of our rural road has been done but none where the stopcock isn't in your face startlingly obvious. Neighbor got missed as he had his car left parked over the meter. So it looks to me like they are just cherry picking the easy work to do.

Looks like they skipped houses on the same street around here as well for some reason.
Reackon they have a percentage in each area to complete.They were working practically around every corner but completely disappeared overnight.

gladrags

"Are water meters still being installed?

That question is more relevant now than a week or two ago.

The most logical course of action at this point,is not to install or replace any meters.

They are simply not fit for purpose,at this point.

blackcard

gladrags wrote: »

"Are water meters still being installed?

That question is more relevant now than a week or two ago.

The most logical course of action at this point,is not to install or replace any meters.

They are simply not fit for purpose,at this point.

The meters are useful irrespective of whether water charges are in place or not. They provide information on the amount of water usage on the private side thus helping to assist in leak identification on the public side

Redbishop

gladrags wrote: »

"Are water meters still being installed?

That question is more relevant now than a week or two ago.

The most logical course of action at this point,is not to install or replace any meters.

They are simply not fit for purpose,at this point.

Why?

FTA69

I'd imagine Irish Water will keep installing meters as it's a vehicle by which they can continue to extract money from the public purse, now that there's an uncertainty about the future of charges I'd imagine they'll even speed up installation so as to gouge as much coin as possible before it gets wound up.

Make no mistake though, the charges have been stopped and are unlikely to come back in due to a fantastic grassroots initiative rejecting them.

blackcard

FTA69 wrote: »

I'd imagine Irish Water will keep installing meters as it's a vehicle by which they can continue to extract money from the public purse, now that there's an uncertainty about the future of charges I'd imagine they'll even speed up installation so as to gouge as much coin as possible before it gets wound up.

Make no mistake though, the charges have been stopped and are unlikely to come back in due to a fantastic grassroots initiative rejecting them.

You are probably right about water charges coming in, the rest of your post doesn't make sense

gladrags

blackcard wrote: »

The meters are useful irrespective of whether water charges are in place or not. They provide information on the amount of water usage on the private side thus helping to assist in leak identification on the public side

I was specifically referring to their main purpose in relation to charges.

The problem with leakage is mainly on the main piping systems,household leakage is minimum when compared to same.

A good plumber would resolve leakage from the householders perspective.

blackcard

gladrags wrote: »

I was specifically referring to their main purpose in relation to charges.

The problem with leakage is mainly on the main piping systems,household leakage is minimum when compared to same.

A good plumber would resolve leakage from the householders perspective.

But how would a person know that there was leakage on their premises without a meter unless there was visible evidence which in most cases there is not?

Redbishop

gladrags wrote: »

I was specifically referring to their main purpose in relation to charges.

The problem with leakage is mainly on the main piping systems,household leakage is minimum when compared to same.

A good plumber would resolve leakage from the householders perspective.

http://www.water.ie/news/irish-water-launches-inte/

Spanish Eyes

I have a meter.

There were no protests against them here.

I wonder if those without meters will EVER get them now?

So how will that work going forward like, will households like mine have to pay by consumption, (because it can be tracked), but those without meters pay a flat charge and power wash their drives, and wash their cars, and have twenty power showers a day or what!

I am a bit worried, but I was on holliers when the meters were installed. So I couldn't even say to the installers that I didn't want one. Not that they listened anyway, they were on a contract and only doing their jobs in fairness.

What an absolute clusterf, really.

Redbishop

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

I have a meter.

There were no protests against them here.

I wonder if those without meters will EVER get them now?

So how will that work going forward like, will households like mine have to pay by consumption, (because it can be tracked), but those without meters pay a flat charge and power wash their drives, and wash their cars, and have twenty power showers a day or what!

I am a bit worried, but I was on holliers when the meters were installed. So I couldn't even say to the installers that I didn't want one. Not that they listened anyway, they were on a contract and only doing their jobs in fairness.

What an absolute clusterf, really.

Absolutely.
I paid my charges and have defended their introduction, now I hear they are suspended and although they promise to follow non payers for arrears I cant see them getting anywhere with it.
Now if they re introduce them later I think I ll take a year out of paying the next time to get me back even.
Clusterf is right.

gladrags

Redbishop wrote: »

http://www.water.ie/news/irish-water-launches-inte/

Blackser is referring to the wise ones who decided not to have a meter installed.

Come to think of it,how would we know if the leak was fixed,if as blackser says,there is no sign of a leak above ground.

Anyway I would not trust a water meter that was supplied by the owner of the Sindo.

Off to watch the Reds.

Redbishop

gladrags wrote: »

Blackser is referring to the wise ones who decided not to have a meter installed.

Come to think of it,how would we know if the leak was fixed,if as blackser says,there is no sign of a leak above ground.

Anyway I would not trust a water meter that was supplied by the owner of the Sindo.

Off to watch the Reds.

Yea me too. See you on PC wen we get it back.

Spanish Eyes

Redbishop wrote: »

Absolutely.
I paid my charges and have defended their introduction, now I hear they are suspended and although they promise to follow non payers for arrears I cant see them getting anywhere with it.
Now if they re introduce them later I think I ll take a year out of paying the next time to get me back even.
Clusterf is right.

I paid them myself, didn't mind the meter being installed really, as it was a flat charge anyway, so all were treated equally AT THAT POINT!

I'm not so certain about things in the future.

But I can assure you, even though I am a little mouse sometimes, I will roar like a lion if metered and non metered customers are treated differently.

Apparently in the UK you can opt for metered or non metered charges. That is the way to go, IF the charges are reintroduced.

I'll settle back for a bit anyway and see how it all pans out.

Ally Dick

They're actually installing them since last week in Rosehill estate Wicklow. There was a picket on the estate by protestors last year and they kept them out. Now I think they have given up

Going Forward

blackcard wrote: »

The meters are useful irrespective of whether water charges are in place or not. They provide information on the amount of water usage on the private side thus helping to assist in leak identification on the public side

How does a domestic meter help to identify a leak on the network?

It only registers water flowing one way through it, at the point of no return where the network terminates and private piping starts.

blackcard

Going Forward wrote: »

How does a domestic meter help to identify a leak on the network?

It only registers water flowing one way through it, at the point of no return where the network terminates and private piping starts.

If you have say 1000 cubic metres of water passing a meter at point A on the public waterman and 800 cubic metres passing point B, you check all the domestic meters in between. If the sum of the domestic meters was 200 cubic metres, you know that there is no leak on the public main. If the sum of the domestic meters was 10 cubic metres, you know that that there is a leak of 190 cubic metres per day between point A and point B. Without the knowledge from the domestic meters, you don't know how much is being lost on the public side

clairek6

No sign of them in my home town in galway

Spanish Eyes

Well they should just install meters with the objective of detecting leaks and not charging by consumption so.

But that will never wash will it in the long run?

tomwaterford

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Well they should just install meters with the objective of detecting leaks and not charging by consumption so.

But that will never wash will it in the long run?

What if it's leaking between the meters as out my way it could be a couple of hundred metres between houses??

MilesMorales1

They've spent the past 2 weeks installing them on my estate.

blackcard

tomwaterford wrote: »

What if it's leaking between the meters as out my way it could be a couple of hundred metres between houses??

If you know it is on the public mains, you can use sonar equipment to try and detect where the leaks are. Easier to find larger leaks.

Going Forward

blackcard wrote: »

If you have say 1000 cubic metres of water passing a meter at point A on the public waterman and 800 cubic metres passing point B, you check all the domestic meters in between. If the sum of the domestic meters was 200 cubic metres, you know that there is no leak on the public main. If the sum of the domestic meters was 10 cubic metres, you know that that there is a leak of 190 cubic metres per day between point A and point B. Without the knowledge from the domestic meters, you don't know how much is being lost on the public side

I appreciate that answer because it's the most comprehensive one I've read yet, they can give additional confirmation that high pressure leakages are occurring elsewhere.

Shouldn't district meters also be able to give this information?

Yet all that is currently being mentioned by IW are the leaks that are being identified domestic property.

We have never heard anything about successful interim targets for fixing mains leaks or even how they propose to meet them.

With them setting aside a budget of just €150m annually for leak reduction it's easy to see why it'll be 2040 before they're half what they are now. 1% per year.

That's much the same figure as was set in recent years by the DOE prior to IW for mains rehabilitation.

http://www.per.gov.ie/wp-content/uploads/Topical-Issues-41.-Irish-Water.pdf