Aintree Grand National

bmcc10

Delighted for mouse

Makood

1st for me. 2 dolla e/w. Dinner out tonight

PressRun

I don't think any of mine came anywhere. Had a feeling Saint Are wouldn't do anything in the conditions. Morning Assembly seemed to be there or thereabouts but faded out of it.

DANNY2014

Fcuk Vic's canvas was literally nearly down BTW losty bolox

Absolutely delighted for Mouse.

Peintre Celebre

radiata wrote: »

Hmmm, 1st,2nd,3rd and 4th

As I said today is all about Dell Arca

piperh

Have never placed a bet online before so could do with a bit of help. Elderly relative asked me to put bit each way on 4 horses anyway they came in 1st and 3rd. The money from the first has gone straight into the pot but not the 3rd. Am I missing something or did I do something wrong?

Easca Peasca

With 39 runners, it was never going to be anything but a lottery (then again, I say that every time I lose... )

Inquitus

piperh wrote: »

Have never placed a bet online before so could do with a bit of help. Elderly relative asked me to put bit each way on 4 horses anyway they came in 1st and 3rd. The money from the first has gone straight into the pot but not the 3rd. Am I missing something or did I do something wrong?

You get 1/4 the odds on e/w and only 50c of your euro is on the place the other 50c is on the win so:

(100/1/4) = 25/1 @ 50c = 12.50 + 0.50 stake back

Total return = 13.00

Wrongway1985

piperh wrote: »

Have never placed a bet online before so could do with a bit of help. Elderly relative asked me to put bit each way on 4 horses anyway they came in 1st and 3rd. The money from the first has gone straight into the pot but not the 3rd. Am I missing something or did I do something wrong?

To add to the other response the to return part is if he won so 50c one way to win was in fact a losing bet so to speak its not going to return stated amount. The 50c getting a place was a winning bet to return in this particular race 1/4 of odds which in this case 25/1

piperh

Inquitus wrote: »

You get 1/4 the odds on e/w and only 50c of your euro is on the place the other 50c is on the win so:

(100/1/4) = 25/1 @ 50c = 12.50 + 0.50 stake back

Total return = 13.00

Thank you thats very helpful, I placed 50c eachway on the horse that came in first and 50c eachway on the one that came in 3rd for him. I want to make sure I give him the right amount as I'm assuming it'll take a few days to go back into my bank. €26 from the winner was credited straight to the pot but nothing for the 3rd.

posturingpat

naughto wrote: »

Bookies must have cleaned up

Not sure, i went to collect for my Aunt and had to wait 20 minutes for them to get the money and she had a whopping fiver e/w on :pac:

jimjamcos

Some festival from the bookies, even before that Dell Arca gamble went south!

aidan24326

mulbot wrote: »

That Claire Balding is one ignorant sow

What did she do this time?

NATLOR

piperh wrote: »

Have never placed a bet online before so could do with a bit of help. Elderly relative asked me to put bit each way on 4 horses anyway they came in 1st and 3rd. The money from the first has gone straight into the pot but not the 3rd. Am I missing something or did I do something wrong?

Your screen shot shows Vics Canvas and Home Farm. Vics Canvas was third so place money, Home Farm didnt make a place so no returns there or am i missing something?

mulbot

aidan24326 wrote: »

What did she do this time?

Just her usual old ignorant self barging in on top of people,

mountgomery burns

NATLOR wrote: »

Your screen shot shows Vics Canvas and Home Farm. Vics Canvas was third so place money, Home Farm didnt make a place so no returns there or am i missing something?

Was asking about the vics canvas ew money that had not been received. Poster said they backed 4 horses and of the four had success with two.

rule the world obviously didn't fit into the screenshot and the post wasn't about boasting it was about getting information. Hope that satisfies the aftertime tribunal for the time being.

PM me nudes

Peintre Celebre wrote: »

PC's list of No Chancers

The Last Samuri
Holywell
Silviniaco Conti
Gallant Oscar
SAINT ARE N.C NAP
Sir Des Champs
Ucello Conti
Unioniste
Kruzhlinin
The Romford Pele NB
Buywise
Gilgamboa
Rule the World
Ballycasey
First Lieutenant
Pendra
Wonderful Charm
Ballynagour
Double Ross
Aachen
VLR
Vics Canvas


No chance

First four home :pac:

Francie Barrett

PM me nudes wrote: »

First four home :pac:

I don't know about the others, but Rule The World had no chance whatsoever. Until it won. Well done to Mouse - I wrote this one off myself. I really thought that you needed to have won a chase before the National.

PM me nudes

Haha, me either tbh

It was a tongue in cheek comment

Great scenes after the race

NATLOR

mountgomery burns wrote: »

Was asking about the vics canvas ew money that had not been received. Poster said they backed 4 horses and of the four had success with two.

rule the world obviously didn't fit into the screenshot and the post wasn't about boasting it was about getting information. Hope that satisfies the aftertime tribunal for the time being.

Did i mention anything about after timing?? I didn't understand the screenshot but thanks for clearing that up for me

Francie Barrett

Irish trained horses came 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, and 6!

solerina

Mouse said before that Rule the World was the 'best horse he ever trained', and said he was 'going to give someone a great ride around' a few weeks ago.... I had him done as a result !!

yaboya1

Francie Barrett wrote: »

Irish trained horses came 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, and 6!

The 2nd (The Last Samuri) is not Irish trained.

I backed Rule The World in the 2014 World Hurdle. Thought he didn't stay :P

Francie Barrett

yaboya1 wrote: »

The 2nd (The Last Samuri) is not Irish trained.

I backed Rule The World in the 2014 World Hurdle. Thought he didn't stay :P

oops, you are right. Still, interesting.

mulbot

Fair patient bit of handicapping by Mouse!!

mulbot

yaboya1 wrote: »

The 2nd (The Last Samuri) is not Irish trained.

I backed Rule The World in the 2014 World Hurdle. Thought he didn't stay :P

He stayed well enough in last year's Irish version!

Francie Barrett

solerina wrote: »

Mouse said before that Rule the World was the 'best horse he ever trained', and said he was 'going to give someone a great ride around' a few weeks ago.... I had him done as a result !!

Heard the same about Mulholland's horse, yet it couldn't get over a fence :pac:

STB.

dubsfan wrote: »

Anyone heard of Ivan Grozny in 6.10 I put 4 horse accumulator on 3 have placed and my cash out is €299 last horse is Ivan grozny if he places I get €1392 not sure what to do

Hope you didn't cash out! Nice picking my friend. I am amazed David Mullins could concentrate given he had won the grand national on his first spin, to follow up and win in the next race @ 16/1.

aidan24326

aidan24326 wrote: »

What did she do this time?

Her job.

yaboya1

mulbot wrote: »

He stayed well enough in last year's Irish version!

Not well enough to win

Anyway, my above thoughts were immediately after the 2014 World Hurdle. I didn't doubt his stamina today, but couldn't really have a 13 race chasing maiden to win one of the most valuable handicaps in the national hunt calendar. Obviously I was very wrong

yaboya1

Francie Barrett wrote: »

Heard the same about Mulholland's horse, yet it couldn't get over a fence :pac:

Yeah, but Mulholland hasn't trained Champion Chasers and Gold Cup winners

mulbot

Deleted User wrote: »

Her job.

She needs to be more professional with those post race interviews-Maybe wait until connections etc have had a chance to gather themselves before she barges in on top of them

mulbot

mulbot wrote: »

She needs to be more professional with those post race interviews-Maybe wait until connections etc have had a chance to gather themselves before she barges in on top of them

But the programme might be over by then! (I do agree that her methods are very intrusive btw, but she has a job to do)

mulbot

Deleted User wrote: »

But the programme might be over by then! (I do agree that her methods are very intrusive btw, but she has a job to do)

No,the Aintree race was at 5.15,the coverage went until 6.30,lots of time to get 2/3 minute interview-It was disgraceful watching her trying to talk to a clearly emotional and shocked Mouse Morris yesterday,

mulbot

mulbot wrote: »

No,the Aintree race was at 5.15,the coverage went until 6.30,lots of time to get 2/3 minute interview-It was disgraceful watching her trying to talk to a clearly emotional and shocked Mouse Morris yesterday,

I DO agree with you, BUT she has a job to do!

mulbot

Deleted User wrote: »

I DO agree with you, BUT she has a job to do!

Yes she does,which could be done ten or fifteen minutes later for example. It's downright rude how she goes about it.

PressRun

mulbot wrote: »

Yes she does,which could be done ten or fifteen minutes later for example. It's downright rude how she goes about it.

To be fair, she's probably told what to do and when to go in for interviews through an ear piece. I highly doubt she has that much control over how things are done throughout the programme.

Wicklow Brave

PressRun wrote: »

mulbot wrote: »

Yes she does,which could be done ten or fifteen minutes later for example. It's downright rude how she goes about it.

To be fair, she's probably told what to do and when to go in for interviews through an ear piece. I highly doubt she has that much control over how things are done throughout the programme.

I know yeah as if she can do what she wants on a f***ing whim.

''we'll need you to get an interview with the trainer now, Clare''

''nah, think I'll just leave it ten, fifteen minutes. Wait for things to calm down a bit''

''............"

BumperD

It's like a bull in a chinashop post race

NeverWaining

Francie Barrett wrote: »

I wrote this one off myself. I really thought that you needed to have won a chase before the National.

Even with 2nds in Grade 1, Grade 2, Grade 3 and an Irish National?

This is where the all the trends people fail. It's very basic form reading. They'd knock out Rule the World and let in a horse who has won a 3 runner beginners chase around Kelso because he ticks that 'win' box. Doesn't make any sense.


Vics Canvas is another example who would be crossed off by most for being 13yo but the vast majority wouldn't check to see how many races he's run. Most probably wouldn't even think of doing that.

mountgomery burns

NeverWaining wrote: »

Even with 2nds in Grade 1, Grade 2, Grade 3 and an Irish National?

This is where the all the trends people fail. It's very basic form reading. They'd knock out Rule the World and let in a horse who has won a 3 runner beginners chase around Kelso because he ticks that 'win' box. Doesn't make any sense.


Vics Canvas is another example who would be crossed off by most for being 13yo but the vast majority wouldn't check to see how many races he's run. Most probably wouldn't even think of doing that.

If youve always found one better and as such are still a second season novice, it is not unreasonable to think in a 40 runner race that you will run into at least one.

Don't pretend he was an obvious choice, there was a reason the horse was 40/1 even with a featherweight on soft ground.

NeverWaining

mountgomery burns wrote: »

Don't pretend he was an obvious choice, there was a reason the horse was 40/1 even with a featherweight on soft ground.

I'm not. No argument with the selection or lack of. I didn't pick it either. It's just the reasoning that is very flawed.

posturingpat

In fairness in handicapping terms there was every reason to believe Rule the world would go close if he produced his best.

danganabu

NeverWaining wrote: »

Even with 2nds in Grade 1, Grade 2, Grade 3 and an Irish National?

This is where the all the trends people fail. It's very basic form reading. They'd knock out Rule the World and let in a horse who has won a 3 runner beginners chase around Kelso because he ticks that 'win' box. Doesn't make any sense.


Vics Canvas is another example who would be crossed off by most for being 13yo but the vast majority wouldn't check to see how many races he's run. Most probably wouldn't even think of doing that.

Exactly, trends are very useful and can be extremely insightful and I do use them myself, but they have to be just a part of the analysis and you have to dig deeper than the bare trend. This is a perfect example.

Also putting too much emphasis on trends for the National is insane considering its an entirely different race now than it was even 5 years ago.

Dunston

danganabu wrote: »

Exactly, trends are very useful and can be extremely insightful and I do use them myself, but they have to be just a part of the analysis and you have to dig deeper than the bare trend. This is a perfect example.

Also putting too much emphasis on trends for the National is insane considering its an entirely different race now than it was even 5 years ago.[/QUOTE

Quite the opposite, I know a tipster who picked the winner entirely based on trends. Rule the World was the only horse in the race to match all of the following criteria:

A Placed beyond 3m (10 out of last 10 winners)
B Ran in Graded chase (8 out of 10)
C Ran at Cheltenham festival (8 out of 10)
D Aged 9 to 11 (18 out of 20)
E 10st 6lb to 11st 6lb (13 out of 16)
F Not fallen or twice PU/REF/UR in chase
X Trainer in particularly good form

NeverWaining

Dunston wrote: »

Quite the opposite, I know a tipster who picked the winner entirely based on trends. Rule the World was the only horse in the race to match all of the following criteria:

A Placed beyond 3m (10 out of last 10 winners)
B Ran in Graded chase (8 out of 10)
C Ran at Cheltenham festival (8 out of 10)
D Aged 9 to 11 (18 out of 20)
E 10st 6lb to 11st 6lb (13 out of 16)
F Not fallen or twice PU/REF/UR in chase
X Trainer in particularly good form

It's easy to find trends for the winner after the race. Every single year there are posts like these. It's always different tipsters though!

Juwwi

Dunston wrote: »

danganabu wrote: »

Exactly, trends are very useful and can be extremely insightful and I do use them myself, but they have to be just a part of the analysis and you have to dig deeper than the bare trend. This is a perfect example.

Also putting too much emphasis on trends for the National is insane considering its an entirely different race now than it was even 5 years ago.[/QUOTE

Quite the opposite, I know a tipster who picked the winner entirely based on trends. Rule the World was the only horse in the race to match all of the following criteria:

A Placed beyond 3m (10 out of last 10 winners)
B Ran in Graded chase (8 out of 10)
C Ran at Cheltenham festival (8 out of 10)
D Aged 9 to 11 (18 out of 20)
E 10st 6lb to 11st 6lb (13 out of 16)
F Not fallen or twice PU/REF/UR in chase
X Trainer in particularly good form

What were the trends between F and X that he didn't fit into

Dunston

NeverWaining wrote: »

It's easy to find trends for the winner after the race. Every single year there are posts like these. It's always different tipsters though!

I was just pointing out that trends can be successfully used to pick the winner of the race. The tipster is Daqman whose page i've bee reading for years and his big race ABC trend guides are excellent.

Grand National ABC Guide: http://www.betdaqtips.com/2016/04/06/daqman-weds-nottingham-banker/

He had the winner of the Irish National the week before from the same strategy. He's had over 160 points profit at betfair sp over the last 3 days at Cheltenham and Newmarket. Top class column he does and all for free.

PM me nudes

Trends are a load of bollocks, we all know it