65 Catholics killed, many Children and where is the media

Arkady

Delirium wrote: »

MOD NOTE

No. The poster is not a mod nor is it back-seat moderating. It is merely bolded text.

Hope that clears up any confusion.

Not really, is ok to use all bolded text in our posts or not then ?

frag420

I am not sure if you are intentionally not answering or have missed it so here is the question I put to you earlier if you don't mind answering, thanks!it

frag420 wrote: »

@Arkady..A quick question for you if you don't mind. Its a little of topic but I think we would all appreciate it if you answered...pretty please.

Say the local Pagan society or Humanist society or Islam society were to hold regular charity events in your neighbourhood that would help the less fortunate in your town. Cake sales, tea mornings, charity runs etc. All proceeds go direct to the local causes (old folks home, playground for kids, homeless shelter etc)

If they asked you to help them organise it, would you help them? Would you buy a cake perhaps or allow your house to be used for a tea morning?Help print fliers to advertise it etc?

Before you answer please bear in mind one thing......you're a Christian!!

Delirium

Arkady wrote: »

I would contend they want to grow their audience with all their posts. Do you think they don't want to grow their audience to via this post ?

I don't think the post was insincere as you seem to be suggesting. So no, I don't think it was a cynical attempt to grow their audience.

Ok well use the word media instead of news . . . why do you think that a parody FB page of God and Christianity is an appropriate and particularly suitable media reference source on the Christianity forum, when Christians are murdered for their faith ?

The thread title clearly says media, and Bannasidhe clearly referred to the God FB page as a media site/page. I think it is appropriate as it hightlights that not only Christians are opposed to the bombing, but also people who do parody/mock religious beliefs at times.

The actual double standard is the site parodying the faith they were murdered for, while using their murders to grow the site's coverage. The second double standard would be a moderator of the Christianity forum then considering that it is an appropriate and particularly suitable media reference source for the Christianity forum, whenever Christians are murdered for their faith.

Your dislike of the page is colouring your opinion of the condemnation they made of the bombing.

It would be a double-standard if they were to condone the terrorist attack by stating it was justified by religious beliefs. But they didn't, they condemned the attack which is in keeping with their stance on religion.

Arkady wrote: »

Not really, is ok to use all bolded text in our posts then ?

Yes, as it can be used for emphasis. It's the equivalent of shouting so it's not necessary for every word/post.

Arkady

frag420 wrote: »

I am not sure if you are intentionally not answering or have missed it so here is the question I put to you earlier if you don't mind answering, thanks!it

Why are you ignoring the mods instruction not to go off topic and why you want me to do the same I wonder ? Start a thread on it.

frag420

Arkady wrote: »

Not really, is ok to use all bolded text in our posts or not then ?

Just to put your overworked mind at rest I used bold so people could separate your replies form mine when I was quoting you as I would hate to think people thought that I was agreeing with you in any way.........Simples

Anyways....about that question above I asked you almost an hour ago that you keep missing...

frag420

Arkady wrote: »

Is this post a mod instruction ?
Again, same question did anyone say otherwise ?

Arkady wrote: »

Why are you ignoring the mods instruction not to go off topic and why you want me to do the same I wonder ? Start a thread on it.

:rolleyes:

frag420

Arkady wrote: »

Why are you ignoring the mods instruction not to go off topic and why you want me to do the same I wonder ? Start a thread on it.

Well lets see what the mod thinks, if they are ok with you answering the question will you answer it?

Delirium

frag420 wrote: »

Well lets see what the mod thinks, if they are ok with you answering the question will you answer it?

Could explain what the relevance of the question is to the topic? Struggling to see it atm.

B_Wayne

Arkady wrote: »

I would contend they want to grow their audience with all their posts. Do you think they don't want to grow their audience to via this post ?



Ok well use the word media instead of news . . . why do you think that a parody FB page of God and Christianity is an appropriate and particularly suitable media reference source on the Christianity forum, when Christians are murdered for their faith ?



The actual double standard is the site parodying the faith they were murdered for, while using their murders to grow the site's coverage. The second double standard would be a moderator of the Christianity forum then considering that it is an appropriate and particularly suitable media reference source for the Christianity forum, whenever Christians are murdered for their faith.

I don't believe the page is designed to provoke murder ergo no double standard has occurred. Mocking faiths does not require one to lack human compassion.

frag420

Delirium wrote: »

Could explain what the relevance of the question is to the topic? Struggling to see it atm.

May I PM you my reasoning as I think if I explained it here then it may influence the reply?

Arkady

Delirium wrote: »

Your dislike of the page is colouring your opinion of the condemnation they made of the bombing.

That would be yet another misrepresentation of the position. The site parodies the faith those people where murdered for, then spreads the site by posting a condemnation of the murders. The only example the poster chose to use, on a Christianity forum, out of all the media sources available to them, as a media source, was a parody FB page of God and Christianity. Then in turn that resulted in a moderator of the Christianity forum jumping through hoops to defend it as an appropriate and sincere choice for the forum when Christians are murdered. All in all, a pretty good result and exposure of the hypocrisy at work here.

Delirium

frag420 wrote: »

May I PM you my reasoning as I think if I explained it here then it may influence the reply?

sure

solodeogloria

Good morning all!

frag420 wrote: »

@Arkady..A quick question for you if you don't mind. Its a little of topic but I think we would all appreciate it if you answered...pretty please.

Say the local Pagan society or Humanist society or Islam society were to hold regular charity events in your neighbourhood that would help the less fortunate in your town. Cake sales, tea mornings, charity runs etc. All proceeds go direct to the local causes (old folks home, playground for kids, homeless shelter etc)

If they asked you to help them organise it, would you help them? Would you buy a cake perhaps or allow your house to be used for a tea morning?Help print fliers to advertise it etc?

Before you answer please bear in mind one thing......you're a Christian!!

This is an interesting question for a Christian. I think yes, I'd love to welcome non-Christians into my home. It is a witness to the Lord Jesus and His grace towards us. I've had the pleasure of having Muslim and Hindu friends and colleagues at my home and I would happily do so again. The only thing that I would ask is of them if they are in my home they don't pray to their gods or worship their gods in my house. I would also expect atheists to be at the very least respectful towards my religious beliefs in my home. I think my tolerance has increased over the last few years of living in a multicultural city with a Christian minority. My area in particular is quite multi faith. That doesn't mean I don't have robust disagreements with friends I do but we're still friends afterwards.

I don't think a lot of Catholics in Ireland have realised what living as a non-privileged minority in a secular society looks like. Secularism also offers so much benefit for us all living together. I grew up Anglican in Ireland which helped me somewhat along the way in realising that as people thought we were a bit weird particularly when I lived in the Midlands for some time before moving to Dublin with my parents and then leaving the country.

Provided the charitable effort didn't promote any religion or humanist society I would happily welcome them in.

Much thanks in the Lord Jesus Christ,
solodeogloria

Cabaal

MRnotlob606 wrote: »

Whether they are Catholic or not should not matter. They were human beings.Real Christians people should care for all those who died irrespective of their religious creedence

Made a slight adjustment to your post.
I think this is more appropriate, if you need a religion to care and sympathize with other humans then you've failed at just being a good person (regardless of religion)

Nick Park

alma73 wrote: »

65 catholics killed and little media coverage, no facebook apps to change your profile flag. It seems these families are not worthy our our media.

My understanding is that the people killed were mainly Christians (of various denominations) but also some Muslims were killed as well. (Edit: According to later news reports, most of the victims were Muslims, with 14 of the dead being Christians)

The local authorities had actually designated Easter Sunday as a public holiday (a nice touch considering much of what goes on in Pakistan) and people of different faiths were mixing together in a public park. The Taliban were targeting Christians (as they do) but they were also attempting to stir up sectarian bitterness.

It's a shame that such bitterness appears to spill over into this thread quite so easily.

As for media coverage, it is a sad fact of live that we are more interested in events when we can identify with them more easily. Most of us are in airports reasonably often and many of us have visited Paris or Brussels. Therefore news coverage of such events is bound to be greater than of atrocities in places most of us will never visit.

alma73

The bomb was targeted at Christians, Pakistan has about 2% populations which is Christian. The Christian population of Lahore is mostly Catholic, about half a million. it seems many of those killed were Muslim. Still waiting for the SKY reporter to show up there (or any western reporter).

Religion aside.. I can't fathom how anyone would ever target a Child of any religion or none. The bomb was targeted a Christians in Easter, however it was placed in a playground and loaded with metal to cause maximum damage.

solodeogloria

alma73 wrote: »

The bomb was targeted at Christians, Pakistan has about 2% populations which is Christian. The Christian population of Lahore is mostly Catholic, about half a million. it seems many of those killed were Muslim. Still waiting for the SKY reporter to show up there (or any western reporter).

Religion aside.. I can't fathom how anyone would ever target a Child of any religion or none. The bomb was targeted a Christians in Easter, however it was placed in a playground and loaded with metal to cause maximum damage.

Good evening all!

In fairness your original post wasn't truthful. The media have covered it at length. I read about it on The Guardian which is a secular publication. They even had a live blog and opinion on it on the nature of Islam and secularism in Pakistan.

Let's be fair to the atheists on this thread who have voiced their horror at these attacks.

Much thanks in the Lord Jesus Christ,
solodeogloria

fly_agaric

alma73 wrote: »

Still waiting for the SKY reporter to show up there (or any western reporter)

(Assuming you are right - do not watch Sky very much...) It is not very safe for them there I'd say...(would you like to go?)
Although maybe Sky could send a war reporter already on danger pay who will take risk of starring in a Jihadi video nasty!

Thinkingaboutit

Quackster wrote: »

65 human beings murdered.

Who cares what religion, if any, they professed?

I see all the thanked people don't understand that your comment is not well considered. They were killed because of their Faith. Catholics should care, in fact anyone who is human should too.

MrPudding

Thinkingaboutit wrote: »

I see all the thanked people don't understand that your comment is not well considered. They were killed because of their Faith. Catholics should care, in fact anyone who is human should too.

Hmmm, Quackster's comments were better considered than yours.

I personally don't care why they were killed. That they were killed for their faith neither adds to nor takes away form the tragedy of that.

Your comments, which I presume you believe to be well considered, would seem to imply that one should only care if a person is killed for their faith. Why can't anyone that is human simply care that someone is killed, irrespective of the reason? Why does a person being killed for their faith require more care and why does caring for such a person make one human?

I would have though we could simply agree that killing people is bad.

MrP

endacl

Arkady wrote: »

And how you express yours about people murdered for their faith.

In fairness, they weren't murdered for their faith. The faith of the murderers was the problem...

alma73

endacl wrote: »

In fairness, they weren't murdered for their faith. The faith of the murderers was the problem...

Actually they were murdered for their faith, they were targeted because of this.

endacl

alma73 wrote: »

Actually they were murdered for their faith, they were targeted because of this.

Whoooooosshhh....

:rolleyes:

Bannasidhe

alma73 wrote: »

Actually they were murdered for their faith, they were targeted because of this.

All of them?

solodeogloria

Good morning all!

Forgive me but why are we posting here still?

These people are dead we've all said it's horrific.

What is there to gain apart from point scoring over dead bodies?

Much thanks in the Lord Jesus Christ,
solodeogloria