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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,024 ✭✭✭gar32


    My uncle in law is sterile as a result of a mumps infection.
    My great aunt was deaf, mute and mildly mentally handicapped a a result of a rubella infection as a baby.
    A neighbour of mine is crippled from a polio infection.
    Are those outcomes something you could cope with for your children?

    As I wrote before. If my children don't have mumps by 10 years old I we get them the mumps vaccine. It only effects boys after puberty.

    Rubella is rear and my children have passed the higher risk age for it.

    If Polio comes within 1 country of where I am I will get them the vaccine. Thank god 99% of the very few cases in the world are half way around the world :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,949 ✭✭✭✭IvyTheTerrible


    gar32 wrote: »
    As I wrote before. If my children don't have mumps by 10 years old I we get them the mumps vaccine. It only effects boys after puberty.

    Rubella is rear and my children have passed the higher risk age for it.

    If Polio comes within 1 country of where I am I will get them the vaccine. Thank god 99% of the very few cases in the world are half way around the world :)
    Do you understand WHY rubella is rare?


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,024 ✭✭✭gar32


    As for doctor's waiting room. Never go in with your kids. I wait outside the building with kids & my wife calls me in using the phone. Once I had to go into a hospital waiting room with my soon here got 3 day fever. It was a insect bit he got.

    Stay away from sick people. Super bugs, hospital vomit bugs and the list goes on.

    I will make the point I have been very luck with my own health. I have only gone to the doctor once for sickness in my life. He did not know what its was. I go antibiotics of course. I know they try there best but sometimes they just don't know whats wrong.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,024 ✭✭✭gar32


    Do you understand WHY rubella is rare?

    Vaccines of course I know :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,949 ✭✭✭✭IvyTheTerrible


    gar32 wrote: »
    Vaccines of course I know :)
    So you are happy to piggy-back on the fact that other parents vaccinate their kids? Nice unselfish attitude there. :rolleyes:


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 689 ✭✭✭Straight Edge Punk


    gar32 wrote: »
    As for doctor's waiting room. Never go in with your kids. I wait outside the building with kids & my wife calls me in using the phone. Once I had to go into a hospital waiting room with my soon here got 3 day fever. It was a insect bit he got.

    Stay away from sick people. Super bugs, hospital vomit bugs and the list goes on.

    I will make the point I have been very luck with my own health. I have only gone to the doctor once for sickness in my life. He did not know what its was. I go antibiotics of course. I know they try there best but sometimes they just don't know whats wrong.

    So do you not allow your children to play in play parks? Take part in team sports? Be in crowded areas?


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,251 ✭✭✭cyning


    gar32 wrote: »
    As I wrote before. If my children don't have mumps by 10 years old I we get them the mumps vaccine. It only effects boys after puberty.

    Rubella is rear and my children have passed the higher risk age for it.

    If Polio comes within 1 country of where I am I will get them the vaccine. Thank god 99% of the very few cases in the world are half way around the world :)

    You are wrong about mumps. Meningitis, encephalitis, deafness will all affect you no matter what age you are. You realise it can cause infertility in women too?

    Rubella is rare because of vaccinations. So while hopefully mine won't get it yours are far more likely to. They won't thank you for it.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,024 ✭✭✭gar32


    Same website claims that ginger is "10,000 times more effective than chemo", and that turmeric can cure cancer. Er...


    EDIT: Looked at the "About us" section. This is the first listed contributor:
    "Brian Shilhavy – Brian Shilhavy is the Managing Editor and Founder of Health Impact News. He has a BA in Bible and Greek from Moody Bible Institute, and an MA in Applied Linguistics from Northeastern Illinois University."

    O..k....

    The TV2 Denmark Documentary on HPV Vaccine Shows Lives of Young Women Ruined

    TV2 is a national TV station with nothing to do with the web site. These women have had there life changed for the worse and it has also effected Irish women and has been brought up in the Dail. Denmark & Japan have banded it. Thats is countries baning it not a web site with ginger claims. I am not saying vaccine effect everyone that get them. Just a small percentage who react bad or have an underlining illness and vaccines trigger something in them.

    Maybe a prevaccine test would be an idea? If you read the leaflets of any vaccine it says if there is a reaction then don't have another vaccine. Why could there not be a test done to make sure in advance that the person is not going to have an allergic reaction?

    Would this make sense?

    They do it now in Hair dressers if you get your hair dyed. But jabbing a needle into a baby'S arm is OK. Sure we have done it a million times before.


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,577 ✭✭✭✭Riesen_Meal


    gar32 wrote: »

    Hey Gar,

    Let me bring to your attention a story about my friend's wife who has cervical cancer - her immune system is not able to cope with the cancer and she was not vaccinated by her Parents whilst growing up in the US..

    I'm not trying to scare you but there's a very real story of a non vaccinated person who was 100% healthy all their life and is now struggling at the age of 33/34

    Read the posts from her Dad on the Gofundit page...

    https://www.gofundme.com/9wu2b47w

    Her Dad said :

    I would like to bring to everyone's attention that, it is my opinion, had Rashel recieved the HPV vaccine when she was younger, we would not be going through this, though it was a relatively new vaccine 10-15 years ago. The research since then has proven the vaccine helps tremendously to reduce the risk of families going through this and prevents our girls from getting cervical cancer. I ask that every single one of you reading this, if you have teenage daughters especially, to get this vaccine.

    More here :

    http://www.dailyedge.ie/coffee-community-2658443-Mar2016/


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,024 ✭✭✭gar32


    cyning wrote: »
    You are wrong about mumps. Meningitis, encephalitis, deafness will all affect you no matter what age you are. You realise it can cause infertility in women too?

    Rubella is rare because of vaccinations. So while hopefully mine won't get it yours are far more likely to. They won't thank you for it.

    Hard to answer all of these question but I am trying my best.

    Mumps I have answer.

    Meningitis in Ireland has the highest in the world. I live in Germany where 1 in 300,000 children get it. most cases are children under 2 years old. My youngest is almost 2. I my get 1 of the many vaccines for Meningitis. I have note of which 1 some where but I think It'S B which effects older children. Again after the age of 3.

    I am looking a risk and as with all these things we are writing about here they are less the 1% any thing bad happening.

    http://atlas.ecdc.europa.eu/public/index.aspx?Dataset=27&HealthTopic=36&Indicator=106952&GeoResolution=2&TimeResolution=Year&StartTime=1999&EndTime=2014&CurrentTime=2014&Distribution=106967&DistributionRepresentation=B&TimeSeries=106952&TimeSeriesRepresentation=T&FixDataset=1&FixHealthTopic=0


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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,541 ✭✭✭anothernight


    gar32 wrote: »
    Why is the HSE right? Why are most countries schedule Different? Why do countries give at different times? Why is 1 vaccine banded in Japan but OK for the rest of the world?

    The schedule used in each country depends on the risks particular to that country, like pretty much every other public medicine campaign out there. For example, cervical cancer checks happen on a different schedule depending on the country. Do you think women should avoid getting smear tests just because in a different country the scheduling recommendation is different than here?
    When I first moved to Europe as a young child, I had to be vaccinated for a bunch of new things, as I'd be exposed to a different set of diseases in my new European country than what was common in my old South American country. Surely that makes sense to you?



    As for Japan, well, ignorance can be very powerful indeed. A better question is, why is Japan the only developed country in the world to not use MMR as part of their vaccination schedule? (Hint: they fcked up) Don't worry, what they used back then in Japan and what they use in Europe now are different things, which makes their issues a bit irrelevant to begin with...

    ...until you think about their effect on the rest of the world, anyway:
    However, during 2007--2008, Japan experienced a large measles outbreak, which resulted in exportation of measles cases from Japan into countries where measles elimination had been achieved.
    (...)
    Measles outbreaks occurred each year in Japan during 1999--2003 and involved both children and adults (Figure 1). The largest outbreak occurred in 2001, when the number of measles cases among children aged <15 years was estimated at 265,000.
    (...)
    In 2007, a measles epidemic occurred with an estimated 18,000 cases nationally among children aged <15 years.

    (From CDC Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report)

    Lovely! :rolleyes:

    By the way, each component of MMR is available privately in Japan... if the parents are willing to pay for it.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,024 ✭✭✭gar32


    Fieldog wrote: »
    Hey Gar,

    Let me bring to your attention a story about my friend's wife who has cervical cancer - her immune system is not able to cope with the cancer and she was not vaccinated by her Parents whilst growing up in the US..

    I'm not trying to scare you but there's a very real story of a non vaccinated person who was 100% healthy all their life and is now struggling at the age of 33/34

    Read the posts from her Dad on the Gofundit page...

    https://www.gofundme.com/9wu2b47w

    Her Dad said :

    I would like to bring to everyone's attention that, it is my opinion, had Rashel recieved the HPV vaccine when she was younger, we would not be going through this, though it was a relatively new vaccine 10-15 years ago. The research since then has proven the vaccine helps tremendously to reduce the risk of families going through this and prevents our girls from getting cervical cancer. I ask that every single one of you reading this, if you have teenage daughters especially, to get this vaccine.

    More here :

    http://www.dailyedge.ie/coffee-community-2658443-Mar2016/

    I am interested in risk to my kids. I am sorry for that women but in life there are risk and she was in the small percentage that bad things happen too.

    Good forbid anything happens to any one but I have my childrens health as my priority.

    Thanks for the concern.

    Gar


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,024 ✭✭✭gar32


    anothernight you wrote
    "The schedule used in each country depends on the risks particular to that country."

    The schedules I have looked closely are Germany, Ireland, France & Poland. Not a big difference in lifestyle or people. Yet some vaccines stop here in Germany at age 4 but in Ireland children can get it until 10 years old.

    Just 1 example of many difference that just don't make sense.

    A great link to compare

    http://vaccine-schedule.ecdc.europa.eu/Pages/Scheduler.aspx


    http://apps.who.int/immunization_monitoring/globalsummary/schedules


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,024 ✭✭✭gar32


    So you are happy to piggy-back on the fact that other parents vaccinate their kids? Nice unselfish attitude there. :rolleyes:

    People have this view with money when they run a business. Money for me and my children. I have a selfish view about my children's health & you have a problem. I don't live near you IvyTheTerrible. I will not question the name. I will not get you or children sick by not getting my children less vaccines.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 689 ✭✭✭Straight Edge Punk


    So do you not allow your children to play in play parks? Take part in team sports? Be in crowded areas?

    You seem to have ignored my questions.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,541 ✭✭✭anothernight


    gar32 wrote: »
    anothernight you wrote
    "The schedule used in each country depends on the risks particular to that country."

    The schedules I have looked closely are Germany, Ireland, France & Poland. Not a big difference in lifestyle or people. Yet some vaccines stop here in Germany at age 4 but in Ireland children can get it until 10 years old.

    Each country does a cost-benefit analysis for their vaccinations. I thought that was common knowledge. :confused:

    A lot goes into deciding these schedules. Example:
    In Spain they changed the scheduling for MMR as a result of recent outbreaks. It used to be that they'd give the first shot at 15 months of age, and the second one between 3 and 5 years. Then in 2011 there was an outbreak (mostly in the south of the country). As a result, they changed the schedule to 12 months and 3 years. Why? 5% of people don't develop immunity with the first vaccination, but pretty much everyone does when they get the booster. With recent outbreaks in the country, they decided it was important to immunise people as quickly as possible. Surely that's a reasonable position to take? Surely you understand that?

    (Source, in Spanish: http://www.elmundo.es/salud/2015/02/08/54d6074fe2704e641b8b456f.html)

    Your link is outdated btw, at least for the Spanish schedule which is the one I'm most familiar with.

    EDIT: At least for the Spanish schedule, your link isn't slightly outdated, but wrong for most of the vaccines. Either that, or the Spanish ministry for health and the Spanish paediatric association don't know their own schedule.
    I guess I'll have to send the ECDC an email... It makes me wonder what else is wrong though.


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,839 ✭✭✭CelticRambler


    You seem to have ignored my questions.

    Don't feel bad about it: he's ignored everyone's questions! ;)


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,024 ✭✭✭gar32


    You seem to have ignored my questions.

    My children are 3 & 20 months. They don't play sports

    There are very few children live near me. My children have the playground to themselves.

    Sorry I also have to look after 2 kids & have a full time job. :)


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,340 ✭✭✭borderlinemeath


    gar32 wrote: »
    As I wrote before. If my children don't have mumps by 10 years old I we get them the mumps vaccine. It only effects boys after puberty.

    Rubella is rear and my children have passed the higher risk age for it.

    If Polio comes within 1 country of where I am I will get them the vaccine. Thank god 99% of the very few cases in the world are half way around the world :)

    You wanted a discussion on a propaganda documentary made by a criminal who tried to get a patent on a single vaccination injection before he held a press conference with his "conclusions" on the MMR.

    You refuse to vaccinate your children on the basis that vaccines have done such a good job that your children don't need them. Have your children no friends? Do they never travel to visit family? What type of a hermit world have you created to ensure they don't become a risk to others? Air travel has proven that viruses and diseases can travel before there's a known outbreak. A carrier could get a plane/train/bus to your locality carrying a virus before you know it.

    As for risks, there's risks in everything. I'd rather have a child with side effects from vaccinations than a dead child. And by your selfish actions of delaying and going against a tried and tested schedule you are damaging the herd immunity that the vaccinations have created. It's selfish beyond belief.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,024 ✭✭✭gar32


    Don't feel bad about it: he's ignored everyone's questions! ;)

    I will reply to people who are not insulting or if the ask question that may be of interest to me and help the people reading to know more about vaccines. Do you have any input to help people understand vaccines more CelticRambler ?


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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,761 ✭✭✭Donnielighto


    Unvaccinated children shouldn't be allowed in schools, health risk.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,949 ✭✭✭✭IvyTheTerrible


    gar32 wrote: »
    People have this view with money when they run a business. Money for me and my children. I have a selfish view about my children's health & you have a problem. I don't live near you IvyTheTerrible. I will not question the name. I will not get you or children sick by not getting my children less vaccines.
    What on earth does my username have to do with anything?
    No you don't live near me. But we live in a society, we can't always just think of ourselves. The more people who think like you, the more other children are put in danger.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,024 ✭✭✭gar32


    You wanted a discussion on a propaganda documentary made by a criminal who tried to get a patent on a single vaccination injection before he held a press conference with his "conclusions" on the MMR.

    You refuse to vaccinate your children on the basis that vaccines have done such a good job that your children don't need them. Have your children no friends? Do they never travel to visit family? What type of a hermit world have you created to ensure they don't become a risk to others? Air travel has proven that viruses and diseases can travel before there's a known outbreak. A carrier could get a plane/train/bus to your locality carrying a virus before you know it.

    As for risks, there's risks in everything. I'd rather have a child with side effects from vaccinations than a dead child. And by your selfish actions of delaying and going against a tried and tested schedule you are damaging the herd immunity that the vaccinations have created. It's selfish beyond belief.


    I will be honest. When it comes to my childrens health I am the most selfish person you will meet :)


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 689 ✭✭✭Straight Edge Punk


    gar32 wrote: »
    My children are 3 & 20 months. They don't play sports

    There are very few children live near me. My children have the playground to themselves.

    Sorry I also have to look after 2 kids & have a full time job. :)

    OK. When they are older, will you allow them be involved in team sports? If a group of children arrive at the play park, will you remove your children?

    Would you allow them on a plane or another enclosed space for a few hours?


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,340 ✭✭✭borderlinemeath


    gar32 wrote: »
    I will be honest. When it comes to my childrens health I am the most selfish person you will meet :)

    Selfish with your own beliefs, not your childrens health.

    What about their mental health? If there's no children near you, who do they socialise with? Children need friends and peer groups to grow and develop, are you that selfish that you will isolate them because of your beliefs?


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,024 ✭✭✭gar32


    OK. When they are older, will you allow them be involved in team sports? If a group of children arrive at the play park, will you remove your children?

    Would you allow them on a plane or another enclosed space for a few hours?

    Are you tiring to trap me?

    What do you think. My kids will have a sickness and give it to other kids who have been vaccinated?

    Could you be more clear what your asking. What sicknesses do you have in mind?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 689 ✭✭✭Straight Edge Punk


    gar32 wrote: »
    Are you tiring to trap me?

    What do you think. My kids will have a sickness and give it to other kids who have be vaccinated?

    Could you be more clear what your asking. What sicknesses do you have in mind?

    I am asking simple questions which you seem incapable of answering to suit your argument therefore you are trying to deflect.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,024 ✭✭✭gar32


    Selfish with your own beliefs, not your childrens health.

    What about their mental health? If there's no children near you, who do they socialise with? Children need friends and peer groups to grow and develop, are you that selfish that you will isolate them because of your beliefs?

    I live in Germany. They are not know for their friendliness. My children friends parents are fully aware of ours not being vaccinated. Some are not vaccinated some are but no we don'T have a lot of friends. I moved here due to losing my job. I would like to be in Ireland but lets blame the banks


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 689 ✭✭✭Straight Edge Punk


    What schools are your children going to attend? Surely you won't have them in a class with other children will you? You are afraid of them being in the waiting room at the doctors, surely the same worries will be in place in a school correct?


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,024 ✭✭✭gar32


    What schools are your children going to attend? Surely you won't have them in a class with other children will you? You are afraid of them being in the waiting room at the doctors, surely the same worries will be in place in a school correct?

    As I have wrote before. I wait outside building when check for children are needed at Doctor. I just go to his room and would never bring children into a doctors waiting room. I would advise the same.

    There are whole schools in Germany where most of the children don't have all their vaccines. Not in the news, non of them dead why are you panicing so much. Do you have achild your worried about?


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