Too much trash talk against Christianity

steamengine

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

But not census form ticks!

Church attendance is possibly desirable but not essential for one to be a Christian. The census form question was not about church attendance.

endacl

steamengine wrote: »

Church attendance is possibly desirable but not essential for one to be a Christian. The census form question was not about church attendance.

Escape route from awkward conversation spotted. Well done!

mickoneill31

steamengine wrote: »

Church attendance is possibly desirable but not essential for one to be a Christian. The census form question was not about church attendance.

The census didn't ask if you were a Christian. It asked what your religion was.
http://census.ie/the-census-and-you/each-question-in-detail/


Church attendance is essential for Catholics.

http://www.catholic.com/quickquestions/what-are-the-necessary-minimum-requirements-for-catholics

http://www.ecatholic2000.com/essentials/precepts.shtml

(Or are those sites wrong, I just did a google)

I know, I know, the stock answer is if you feel that you're a Catholic then you are and it's perfectly acceptable to say any religion (even if you don't follow its rules or know what they are).

El_Duderino 09

steamengine wrote:

Church attendance is possibly desirable but not essential for one to be a Christian. The census form question was not about church attendance.

Same for belief in things like transubstantiation, virgin birth, god, catholic dogma, right?

steamengine

mickoneill31 wrote: »

The census didn't ask if you were a Christian. It asked what your religion was.

Church attendance is essential for Catholics.

http://www.catholic.com/quickquestions/what-are-the-necessary-minimum-requirements-for-catholics

(Or is that site wrong, I just did a google)

So what if they don't attend - if they deem themselves to be still Catholic that's the end of it.

frag420

steamengine wrote: »

So what if they don't attend - if they deem themselves to be still Catholic that's the end of it.

So if I agree with same sex marriage, abortion etc and decide to call myself a Catholic.........am I a Catholic?

mickoneill31

steamengine wrote: »

So what if they don't attend - if they deem themselves to be still Catholic that's the end of it.

Not according to the Church it isn't. But it's standard, Catholics seem to pick and choose what it means to be Catholic. I know some that don't even believe in God. But for you that's fine. If they still think they're Catholic then that's the end of it. Seems daft to me.

I deem myself to be the Lord high commander of Earth. End of story. Same logic.

steamengine

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Same for belief in things like transubstantiation, virgin birth, god, catholic dogma, right?

It depends on what denomination one belongs to - or none.

frag420

steamengine wrote: »

I wouldn't let that stop you, there are not that many Christian posters in here any longer for some unknown reason.

Well you said God created us all. I said he didnt, it was my folks that created me.

I then made a joke about the coming (cumming) of our lord and I was suggesting that it was not Gods ejaculate that created me!

Make sense now?

You know if God did create me then we could call it the Emaculate Ejaculate!!

steamengine

mickoneill31 wrote: »

Not according to the Church it isn't. But it's standard, Catholics seem to pick and choose what it means to be Catholic. I know some that don't even believe in God. But for you that's fine. If they still think they're Catholic then that's the end of it. Seems daft to me.

Why does that bother you as an atheist ? People know what they are especially in Ireland where religion is in the DNA. Things have changed, the church is the people and not necessarily the hierarchy sitting in their ivory towers.

steamengine

frag420 wrote: »

Well you said God created us all. I said he didnt, it was my folks that created me.

I then made a joke about the coming (cumming) of our lord and I was suggesting that it was not Gods ejaculate that created me!

Make sense now?

You know if God did create me then we could call it the Emaculate Ejaculate!!

Your post shows just how little you have to offer to this forum, that's pretty disgusting stuff - well done

El_Duderino 09

steamengine wrote:

It depends on what denomination one belongs to - or none.

Just tick 'catholic' on the census and don't worry about it.

But when the census figures come out, the 'catholics' are to be understood as faithful adherents to the teachings of the catholic church.

mickoneill31

steamengine wrote: »

Why does that bother you as an atheist ? People know what they are especially in Ireland where religion is in the DNA. Things have changed, the church is the people and not necessarily the hierarchy sitting in their ivory towers.

It bothers me because I'm logical.
I would think it'd bother real Catholics but that's me being logical again.
If you're a mender of a club and don't follow its rules then what normally happens is that you set up a new club. You dont just say Im ignoring your rules and theres nothing you can do about it.
There are loads of religions that are close to Catholicism but aren't because they have their own rules or side beliefs.

We have Catholics in Ireland at both sides of the argument for mass going, contraception, same sex marriage, abortion, evolution, genesis etc. There are so many conflicting beliefs that the only common denominator is that they're all human.

Of course the church isn't going to enforce its own rules. It'd be gone tomorrow if it did that.

El_Duderino 09

steamengine wrote:

Why does that bother you as an atheist ? People know what they are especially in Ireland where religion is in the DNA. Things have changed, the church is the people and not necessarily the hierarchy sitting in their ivory towers.

Classic inability to keep more than one thought in mind at a time.

steamengine

mickoneill31 wrote: »

It bothers me because I'm logical.
I would think it'd bother real Catholics but that's me being logical again.
If you're a mender of a club and don't follow its rules then what normally happens is that you set up a new club. You dont just say im ignoring your rules and theres nothing you can do about it.
There are loads of religions that are close to Catholicism but aren't because they have their own rules.
Of course the church isn't going to encode is own rules. It'd be gone tomorrow if it did that.

I'm married to an 'a la carte' Catholic regarding church attendance and she happens to be very devout person, prayers every night - crucifixes all over the house and pictures of all the saints. According to the 'rules' up above she's not a catholic. But she feels she is and that's it. I don't really understand where you're coming from, as you stated you're an agnostic atheist. Why are you still processing it in your head ?

mickoneill31

steamengine wrote: »

I'm married to an 'a la carte' Catholic regarding church attendance and she happens to be very devout person, prayers every night - crucifixes all over the house and pictures of all the saints. According to the 'rules' up above she's not a catholic. But she feels she is and that's it. I don't really understand where you're coming from, as you stated you're an agnostic atheist. Why are you still processing it in your head ?

Because I have a brain. My brain doesn't turn off in regards to religious stuff just because I'm an atheist. You do understand that people are allowed to question other beliefs don't you.
If Muslim laws came to Ireland I'm hoping you wouldn't say well I'm a Catholic so I can't question this stuff.

I accept that people have the right to say whatever religion they want to say they are. I'm not trying to ban them. I'm just asking how they justify it. Implying I shouldn't ask because Im an atheist is not a valid answer.

robdonn

steamengine wrote: »

Why does that bother you as an atheist ? People know what they are especially in Ireland where religion is in the DNA. Things have changed, the church is the people and not necessarily the hierarchy sitting in their ivory towers.

So the church are the people and whatever they say the religion is, that's what it is? That's ridiculous because that would mean that Catholicism is both for and against gay marriage, it is both for and against abortion, it is both for and against contraception, it both believes in transubstantiation and it doesn't, etc...

The only common thread is that the people call themselves Catholic, so if I were to do so then the Catholic church now both believes in god and it doesn't.

steamengine

mickoneill31 wrote: »

Because I have a brain. My brain doesn't turn off in regards to religious stuff just because I'm an atheist. You do understand that if people are educated they are allowed to question other beliefs don't you.
If Muslim laws came to Ireland I'm hoping you wouldn't say well I'm a Catholic so I can't question this stuff.

I accept that people have the right to say whatever religion they want to say they are. I'm not trying to ban them. I'm just asking how they justify it. Implying I shouldn't ask because Im an atheist is not a valid answer.

Sorry i asked, I mistakingly thought you wished to discuss something ?

Cabaal

steamengine wrote: »

I'm married to an 'a la carte' Catholic regarding church attendance and she happens to be very devout person, prayers every night - crucifixes all over the house and pictures of all the saints. According to the 'rules' up above she's not a catholic. But she feels she is and that's it. I don't really understand where you're coming from, as you stated you're an agnostic atheist. Why are you still processing it in your head ?

If she doesn't subscribe to alot of the core catholic stuff and mass really is one of those as it includes eating Jesus which is pretty important, is she not just a christian?

mickoneill31

steamengine wrote: »

Sorry i asked, I mistakingly thought you wished to discuss something ?

I answered your question. But you're right, this kind of discussion is pointless to me. It's going nowhere.

steamengine

Cabaal wrote: »

If she doesn't subscribe to alot of the core catholic stuff and mass really is one of those as it includes eating Jesus which is pretty important, is she not just a christian?

Definitely a Catholic and Christian both.

looksee

frag420 wrote: »

Well you said God created us all. I said he didnt, it was my folks that created me.

I then made a joke about the coming (cumming) of our lord and I was suggesting that it was not Gods ejaculate that created me!

Make sense now?

You know if God did create me then we could call it the Emaculate Ejaculate!!

Its one thing to discuss Christianity, its another to be deliberately offensive, I would consider your comments crude and really rather pathetic.

robdonn

looksee wrote: »

Its one thing to discuss Christianity, its another to be deliberately offensive, I would consider your comments crude and really rather pathetic.

In frag420's defence, steamengine was insisting on a rudimentary explanation of the joke.

Delirium

MOD NOTE

frag420 carded for their needlessly OTT explanation of their joke.

I'm locking this thread as it's moved away from 'too much trash talk against Christianity' discussion to 'Christianity deserves it because of X'.

There is very little contribution to offer examples (and subsequent discussion) of said trash talk.

The thread is just becoming a melting pot of school patronage/same-sex marriage and even creationism.

There are threads for those so people that wish to continue those particular discussions are free to do so.

Thanks for your attention.