Tesla Model 3

amcalester

sk8board wrote: »

Every time I quote the 49k price for the long range Kona, someone quotes the other shorter range price of 38k.

Am I missing something, or does a cursory glance on Carzone at 2019 Kona EVs not show them all priced at €49k for the longer range model?

That’s the facts I base my quote on - I’m not just picking it out of the sky!

On the road price for the 64kw Kona is less than €40K.

I was about to put pen to paper for one but decided to hold out for a Model 3.

sk8board

Shefwedfan wrote: »

It has been explained a few times, 10k comes off that price. The shorter range Kona is not available in Ireland as far as I know....

If you walk into Hyundai today you can pay 49k if you want but everyone else is paying 38-39k ......

Thank you - I didn’t realize that and that explains it

sk8board

grogi wrote: »

I'm making my estimation on French prices: there is €6k incentive there, VAT of 20%.

We have 23% VAT and only €5k incentive. €2k of VRT to be paid for a car of ~€55k RRP (OMSP is calculated before any incentives).

Taking all that into account, we are looking at €47k for Black TM3 SR+ with Autopilot.

I would agree. Using Norway as a basis for Irish EV pricing is not really comparable.

Sabre Man

Kilboor wrote: »

Are the stores not closing?

Sandyford is a service center, not a store as such.

Nedved85

This is pretty unreal https://youtu.be/QZdnM3F6ydw

Shefwedfan

Nedved85 wrote: »

This is pretty unreal https://youtu.be/QZdnM3F6ydw

After watching 20 seconds of that video I suddenly feel the urge never ever buy a Tesla

ted1

Shefwedfan wrote: »

After watching 20 seconds of that video I suddenly feel the urge never ever to buy a Tesla

Yep that was hard to watch. Every Tesla video is a sponsored link. Just walk to your car it’s easier and faster.

You auto summon to fit in tight gaps and get out of tight gaps.

Nedved85

Why? Ignoring the fanboyism of that youtube channel, they are advancing car technology like no other car company out there. They are leaps ahead on the AI front.

ted1

Nedved85 wrote: »

Why? Ignoring the fanboyism of that youtube channel, they are advancing car technology like no other car company out there. They are leaps ahead on the AI front.

Yeah technology is grand but the video is ****e.

Thargor

What would happen if you summoned a car like that and it killed someone on the way to you? I know it goes slow but it is silent so what if it knocked a cyclist over and they hit their head or kids tried to mess with it and got crushed or something?

josip

Nedved85 wrote: »

Why? Ignoring the fanboyism of that youtube channel, they are advancing car technology like no other car company out there. They are leaps ahead on the AI front.

It's not just fanboys on Youtube.
There are more and more D/C-class YouTubers realising that anything with Tesla in it is going to get clicks, and you end up with all kinds of dipsticks dragging down the brand.
Musk should sue them.

ted1

Thargor wrote: »

What would happen if you summoned a car like that and it killed someone on the way to you? I know it goes slow but it is silent so what if it knocked a cyclist over and they hit their head or kids tried to mess with it or something?

The onboard video would show them at fault. It’ll pick them up Better than you can looking in your mirror.

I’m waiting for the avoid pay and display mode by letting the car circle the block while you go into town shopping

Sabre Man

ted1 wrote: »

I’m waiting for the avoid pay and display mode by letting the car circle the block while you go into town shopping

Something like: Collect me here in x minutes

Silent Running

Nedved85 wrote: »

This is pretty unreal https://youtu.be/QZdnM3F6ydw

Most annoying voice everrrrr!

That said, it was pretty cool. I think she was too nervous to let the car do it's thing.

The car looks great in that colour, that's what I'd order

Nedved85

Silent Running wrote: »

Most annoying voice everrrrr!

That said, it was pretty cool. I think she was too nervous to let the car do it's thing.

The car looks great in that colour, that's what I'd order

Yeah I'm between the blue and silver ish colour they have. Red at €2600 is a bit too steep for me.

Nedved85

Sabre Man wrote: »

Something like: Collect me here in x minutes

'here' being the pub

unkel

Nedved85 wrote: »

'here' being the pub

That's actually the plan. The cars have all the hardware, the software is in development. And will be doled out to the car in small steps over the air. Once there is regulatory approval (when they are shown to be 2-3 times safer than cars driven by humans), the cars will be allowed to fully self drive. You can drive to the pub, the car will go park itself. When you are drunk you summon the car and it will pick you up and drive you home while you are asleep on the rear seats.

Musk sees this happen before the end of next year. But he is a bit of an optimist

Not entirely fair to judge Tesla's progress on that clip as it looks like that is a very early beta of the new summon functionality (and pretty pathetic at that), but it looks further away than next year to me...

Old diesel

ted1 wrote: »

Shefwedfan wrote: »

After watching 20 seconds of that video I suddenly feel the urge never ever to buy a Tesla

Yep that was hard to watch. Every Tesla video is a sponsored link. Just walk to your car it’s easier and faster.

You auto summon to fit in tight gaps and get out of tight gaps.

The "sponsorship" is that they have a Patreon page. So it's supporters of the channel sponsoring them via Patreon

Lots of youtubers/bloggers do that - it's harmless enough - you only donate if you want to.

ted1

Old diesel wrote: »

The "sponsorship" is that they have a Patreon page. So it's supporters of the channel sponsoring them via Patreon

Lots of youtubers/bloggers do that - it's harmless enough - you only donate if you want to.

It’s painful to watch. Most of the content is waffle just for views.

ELM327

Silent Running wrote: »

Most annoying voice everrrrr!

That said, it was pretty cool. I think she was too nervous to let the car do it's thing.

The car looks great in that colour, that's what I'd order

I've followed her channel for years and could not disagree with you more.

Let's just say - politely - that her husband is a very lucky man in my opinion. :P

Nedved85

Nedved85 wrote: »

This is pretty unreal https://youtu.be/QZdnM3F6ydw

Aweful stuff. Be quicker to push the car to where you want it.

Deleted User

Deleted User wrote: »

Aweful stuff. Be quicker to push the car to where you want it.

I find it pretty awe inspriring also. Wish my LEAF did stuff like this. And that my wife looked like that.

josip

Deleted User wrote: »

Aweful stuff. Be quicker to push the car to where you want it.

Or pull it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OnWolLQSZic

Silent Running

ELM327 wrote: »

I've followed her channel for years and could not disagree with you more.

Let's just say - politely - that her husband is a very lucky man in my opinion. :P

Oh I didn't say she's not a looker, she does that part very well. To live with her you'd need good quality noise cancelling earphones though.

If only she sounded like the Model 3. (pathetic attempt to look like I'm staying on topic )

TCP/IP

It’s genius marketing by Tesla get IT geeks drooling over a techie product with completely pointless functionality and just because it’s cool sheep will buy it in droves. Hey it worked for Apple I guess.

Gumbo

sk8board wrote: »

Every time I quote the 49k price for the long range Kona, someone quotes the other shorter range price of 38k.

Am I missing something, or does a cursory glance on Carzone at 2019 Kona EVs not show them all priced at €49k for the longer range model?

That’s the facts I base my quote on - I’m not just picking it out of the sky!

It’s been explained to you over and over again.
There is no shorter range Kona.

They are all 64kwh and they are 49k minis grants = 39k

ELM327

kceire wrote: »

It’s been explained to you over and over again.
There is no shorter range Kona.

They are all 64kwh and they are 49k minis grants = 39k

sometimes it's best to not engage with these mouthbreathers.

sk8board

ELM327 wrote: »

sometimes it's best to not engage with these mouthbreathers.

And yet here you are. 8100 witty retorts in just 2 years. A phenomenal waste of precious time don’t you think?

Patser

Probably a well known thing, but not something I was aware of:

Just over in states at the moment and called in to a Tesla shop in Chicago, curious to look at Model 3 in flesh. Salesperson told me they'd 7 in their stock, and more in central inventory, available immediately. And was actively pushing them.

Surprised to hear this, as I still thought they had waiting list issues, and problems keeping up with demand, but she assured me this wasn't an issue in the US.

sk8board

kceire wrote: »

It’s been explained to you over and over again.
There is no shorter range Kona.

They are all 64kwh and they are 49k minis grants = 39k

Thanks - another poster replied earlier. It explains why some are listed at €49k and some at €39k, I thought it was the short and long range - I haven’t been following it.
I’d gladly swap for the model 3 though, it suits my needs perfectly - currently have a diesel 4gc from new when I was doing loads of miles, and now I do almost none and have kids too, so I’m just holding on to see where the model 3 prices come in, at for a decent spec.

Shefwedfan

Patser wrote: »

Probably a well known thing, but not something I was aware of:

Just over in states at the moment and called in to a Tesla shop in Chicago, curious to look at Model 3 in flesh. Salesperson told me they'd 7 in their stock, and more in central inventory, available immediately. And was actively pushing them.

Surprised to hear this, as I still thought they had waiting list issues, and problems keeping up with demand, but she assured me this wasn't an issue in the US.

After the reservation list is filled they are struggling to sell. If they have same issue in Europe then big problems

Gumbo

Shefwedfan wrote: »

After the reservation list is filled they are struggling to sell. If they have same issue in Europe then big problems

Or create a great bargain for those on the fence

Shefwedfan

kceire wrote: »

Or create a great bargain for those on the fence

I think competition will hopefully create that anyway....


Fingers crossed that VW will announce reasonable pricing for the ID3 and that might push the other manufacturers to reduce pricing.....

Mike9832

Shefwedfan wrote: »

After the reservation list is filled they are struggling to sell. If they have same issue in Europe then big problems

Think they have done well to sell as much as they have in the US

No one is doing well there, VW will struggle big time too

Take out eco states like California and EV market is dead there

Can't compete in a level playing field with cheap fuel and current inferior battery tech

Europe would be exactly the same if fuel was cheap and China are only doing well because its forced on them

I think EV demand is well overstated by the media

Take out the 10k incentives here and drop the tax on fuel and EV is dead, they will have to be forced upon us

ted1

Shefwedfan wrote: »

After the reservation list is filled they are struggling to sell. If they have same issue in Europe then big problems

The model y will sell big. They could reduce the 3 and increase y. Problem resolved

Mike9832

Mike9832 wrote: »

Take out the 10k incentives here and drop the tax on fuel and EV is dead, they will have to be forced upon us

Is that likely?

Boscoirl

Saw a white Model 3 with a black roof on Dutch plates today in Ballina Co Tipperary, It’s gorgeous in real life.

Mike9832

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Is that likely?

Its not but its what EVs are up against in certain regions

Love electric drive trains but batteries are crap and expensive

Best ones are 250Wh/kg

While petrol is 6000Wh/kg in efficient yokes like Toyota

TCP/IP

Some really good points unless EV are really pushed on the public not going to be huge take up. Once levies are taken away EV is as good as dead in Ireland and the UK except in potentially Dublin and London through congestion charges.

Battery tech needs to at least have the same range as a tank of diesel and that before even mentioning charge times and charge points.

listermint

Shefwedfan wrote: »

I think competition will hopefully create that anyway....


Fingers crossed that VW will announce reasonable pricing for the ID3 and that might push the other manufacturers to reduce pricing.....

There will be no onus on them to reduce pricing though. Picture the scenario where Manufacturers are no longer making money from service work, parts sales or the rest.

Why would they reduce the price of the vehicle if other revenue streams are already impacted.

Shefwedfan

listermint wrote: »

There will be no onus on them to reduce pricing though. Picture the scenario where Manufacturers are no longer making money from service work, parts sales or the rest.

Why would they reduce the price of the vehicle if other revenue streams are already impacted.

From a warranty point of view the car will have to go to garage every year.



Is servicing that profitable? you are paying a mechanic and a whole team around them to do it.



Software is profitable, VW and Tesla both talk about "upgrade" OTA. You go onto VW carnet or tesla equivalent, type in credit card details and next morning you have the latest version of cruise control. That is profitable.....taking it to a garage and VW paying a whole team of people is not

Shefwedfan

ted1 wrote: »

The model y will sell big. They could reduce the 3 and increase y. Problem resolved

The Model 3 was the answer to make Tesla profitable, if they turn around now and say its the Model Y it will be a serious step down

hatrack

OSI wrote: »

99% certain I saw a black Model 3 with the wrap still on making its way to Sandyford on the back of a transporter this morning.

They are expecting a LHD display model at some stage so could be the case.

KCross

cros13 wrote: »

Ireland's first Tesla supercharger opened today.

8-bay supercharger at Topaz Manor Stone services Ballacolla, Laois.
Click for full res.

Was at this site recently and noticed that 4 of the 8 chargers have had CCS added to them to support the incoming Model 3.




Has that happened in the other Tesla sites in Ireland also?

The inverters, at the far end, dont appear to have been updated so still limited to 120kW per pair of chargers.

AidenL

OSI wrote: »

99% certain I saw a black Model 3 with the wrap still on making its way to Sandyford on the back of a transporter this morning.

I'll be around Sandyford Monday and Tuesday, will drop in. Wonder is it open Easter Monday?

Sabre Man

KCross wrote: »

Was at this site recently and noticed that 4 of the 8 chargers have had CCS added to them to support the incoming Model 3.




Has that happened in the other Tesla sites in Ireland also?

The inverters, at the far end, dont appear to have been updated so still limited to 120kW per pair of chargers.

As far as I know all supercharger sites in Ireland are ready for Model 3.

unkel

Isn't there a map somewhere with all the European superchargers and where you can clearly see which ones have upgraded to CCS?

Idbatterim

https://m.independent.ie/business/ecar-renter-launches-tesla-fleet-in-ireland-38034904.html

CFC007

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Idbatterim wrote: »

https://m.independent.ie/business/ecar-renter-launches-tesla-fleet-in-ireland-38034904.html

BigAl81

CFC007 wrote:

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