Tesla Model 3

Shefwedfan

Mike9832 wrote: »

Model 3 will probably have a lot more where it matters range too

Can't see the Berlingo looking ID matching the sleek Model 3 efficiency on the motorway

:p:p

Deer

We were after putting a refundable deposit down on the new leaf which is supposedly available in July but I think we will hold out now to see what the pricing is like on the Tesla and also on the new Kia. It's all so vague at the moment though! No cars to test drive and no prices yet. Guy on phone said the price should be out in may - hope so!

Mike9832

Deer wrote: »

We were after putting a refundable deposit down on the new leaf which is supposedly available in July but I think we will hold out now to see what the pricing is like on the Tesla and also on the new Kia. It's all so vague at the moment though! No cars to test drive and no prices yet. Guy on phone said the price should be out in may - hope so!

Leaf62?

Shefwedfan

Deer wrote: »

We were after putting a refundable deposit down on the new leaf which is supposedly available in July but I think we will hold out now to see what the pricing is like on the Tesla and also on the new Kia. It's all so vague at the moment though! No cars to test drive and no prices yet. Guy on phone said the price should be out in may - hope so!

Until VW release pricing the whole market is going to fluctuate over the next few months....

Scottie99

€€€..(BOTTOM LINE)

Mike9832

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Until VW release pricing the whole market is going to fluctuate over the next few months....

Agree

Price is king

Every owner I know is a cheapskate ( no offence ), they don't care what they drive as long as it's...

TCP/IP

Mike9832 wrote: »

Agree

Price is king

Every owner I know is a cheapskate ( no offence ), they don't care what they drive as long as it's...

That's why EV is perfect for most people because they are cheapskates and only care about saving money it's not about the joy of driving. 99% of EV owners are not car enthusiasts.

Shefwedfan

Mike9832 wrote: »

Agree

Price is king

Every owner I know is a cheapskate ( no offence ), they don't care what they drive as long as it's...

I don't think people are cheapskate's otherwise everyone would be driving a Leaf or Zoe. A 40k Kona is hardly a cheapskate


I do think if VW came out in 11 days time and said the ID.3 is starting at 25k into the hand and has similar range to the Model 3 then Tesla are fairly f**ked. If the Model 3 will really be 39k into the hand. For the sake of 6-7 months people will old onto 10k plus.

Shefwedfan

TCP/IP wrote: »

That's why EV is perfect for most people because they are cheapskates and only care about saving money it's not about the joy of driving. 99% of EV owners are not car enthusiasts.

Keep telling yoursef that.....

TCP/IP

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Keep telling yoursef that.....

Well please feel free to expand your comment.

KCross

TCP/IP wrote: »

That's why EV is perfect for most people because they are cheapskates and only care about saving money it's not about the joy of driving. 99% of EV owners are not car enthusiasts.

What % of the general population would you say are car enthusiasts?
I'd say its a very very small % by looking at the cars on the roads.... 0-60 times, plush interiors and driving dynamics are not at the top of most peoples lists when buying... the switch to CUV/SUV is a good indicator of that.

Sabre Man

TCP/IP wrote: »

That's why EV is perfect for most people because they are cheapskates and only care about saving money it's not about the joy of driving. 99% of EV owners are not car enthusiasts.

I think you're confusing EV drivers with diesel drivers.

TCP/IP

KCross wrote: »

What % of the general population would you say are car enthusiasts?
I'd say its a very very small % by looking at the cars on the roads.... 0-60 times, plush interiors and driving dynamics are not at the top of most peoples lists when buying... the switch to CUV/SUV is a good indicator of that.

I totally agree I would say it’s 1% are true car enthusiasts or a very small figure. Most people just care about getting from A to B in the cheapest way possible.

Mickeroo

I'd say quite a lot of people who bought EVs thus far are EV enthusiasts though.

TCP/IP

Mickeroo wrote: »

I'd say quite a lot of people who bought EVs thus far are EV enthusiasts though.

Of course they are they would not have bought one otherwise.

Mike9832

Mickeroo wrote: »

I'd say quite a lot of people who bought EVs thus far are EV enthusiasts though.

Wallet enthusiasts more like

Mike9832

Shefwedfan wrote: »

What do you drive?

Haha going to enjoy this :pac::pac:

Shefwedfan

Mike9832 wrote: »

Haha going to enjoy this :pac::pac:

Second thought I don't actually care......

KCross

Mickeroo wrote: »

I'd say quite a lot of people who bought EVs thus far are EV enthusiasts though.

I wouldn’t think so.

Just anecdotally from this forum people buy EV for various reasons...

Environment
Cheap to run
EV drivetrain (smooth, torque etc)
New tech geeky reasons

Probably missed a few reasons but I don’t think EV owners can all be stuck into one bracket. Sure there are people on here who traded Yaris’ and BMW’s for EV’s so clearly owners are not all the same. Very diverse group from what I can see.

Shefwedfan

TCP/IP wrote: »

Well please feel free to expand your comment.

No, don't think I need to

Care to expand on your information on why people who BEV are not car enthusiasts? have you carried out a poll or study?

Deer

Mike9832 wrote:

Leaf62?

Yes that's the one- leaf e plus

Villain

Shefwedfan wrote: »

No, don't think I need to

Care to expand on your information on why people who BEV are not car enthusiasts? have you carried out a poll or study?

I think most early EV owners were technology enthusiasts or interested in the green side of savings, certainly based on the people I met at public chargers and discussed EVs with but I think Tesla much change that and bring more car enthusiasts to EV’s.

In other words as a previous EV owner I think ye both are correct

Shefwedfan

Villain wrote: »

I think most early EV owners were technology enthusiasts or interested in the green side of savings, certainly based on the people I met at public chargers and discussed EVs with but I think Tesla much change that and bring more car enthusiasts to EV’s.

In other words as a previous EV owner I think ye both are correct

I think the combustion engine brigade have huge fear of change, first it was "I won't drive a car till it goes to Cork", then it was "cork and back", then it was "Belfast to Cork". All a load of c**p


Now that is gone it is try to insult the driver, as if someone driving a combustion engine is somehow better.


Stick a thread on the motors forum with any requirements and watch the flood of Skoda recommendations. Majority of them never driven a petrol in their life. Car enthusiasts my ass......

TCP/IP

Shefwedfan wrote: »

No, don't think I need to

Care to expand on your information on why people who BEV are not car enthusiasts? h
ave you carried out a poll or study?

No problem fair enough whatever you feel comfortable with.

Gumbo

TCP/IP wrote: »

That's why EV is perfect for most people because they are cheapskates and only care about saving money it's not about the joy of driving. 99% of EV owners are not car enthusiasts.

Works both ways also.
99% of ICE drivers are not car enthusiasts.

TCP/IP

kceire wrote: »

Works both ways also.
99% of ICE drivers are not car enthusiasts.

I totally agree with you.

Gumbo

TCP/IP wrote: »

I totally agree with you.

People choose various cars for various reasons I suppose.
People Who should be in petrol or EV choose diesel because that’s what is drilled into them. My mam has an F10 520d MSport. 132 car with 20k Km on it. An EV would do her. A Gen 1 leaf would do her for a week even with the reduced range but it’s the perceived notion of electric and plugging in.

My wife has a 142 F10 MSport too. She does less mileage than me but has no interest in plugging in. Yet she’ll pick my car every time at the weekend because she knows I’m there.

You choose an M4 (nice choice by the way) even if I do like the saloon F30 version better

I think people need to stop the bickering.
I choose EV because of the perceived savings. If I don’t have to buy petrol/diesel I can spend more on the actual car. I could have bought an E60 M5 and god knows I’ll regret that some day but it just wouldn’t work now a days with work, kids and site visits.

Same reason I have solar PV. Not because of the reduced savings or the attempt to make savings. Heck they may cost me more as o get staff ESB units through my wife, I got them for the small contribution to the environment that they make. It doesn’t matter how small a change we all make, small
Steps make the long journey eventually.

Now I’m making a cup of tea with my kettle that’s connected to the grid being powered by a diesel plant somewhere in Wicklow or something.

Shefwedfan

TCP/IP wrote: »

No problem fair enough whatever you feel comfortable with.

I am not sure what the point of your posts are?


You say BEV drivers are not car enthusiasts as they are some sort of inferior car owner, but then agree that 99% of driver are not either?


So why post at all?

TCP/IP

Shefwedfan wrote: »

I am not sure what the point of your posts are?


You say BEV drivers are not car enthusiasts as they are some sort of inferior car owner, but then agree that 99% of driver are not either?


So why post at all?

It’s ok if you don’t understand don’t worry yourself.

Ush1

People who drive electric cars are superior humans, simple enough really.

Shefwedfan

TCP/IP wrote: »

It’s ok if you don’t understand don’t worry yourself.

So you finishing trolling?

eagerv

There are many types of enthusiasts and I certainly would never purposely try and run down or denigrate others who have different ideas to me.


What is a car enthusiast? Is it someone who is interested in power? In beauty? In hypermiling? In detailing? In technology? Or something that just gives you freedom and practicality that we all love?

BobbyBingo

grogi wrote: »

I think it's 49k before the SEAI grant, but with already reduced VRT.

Tesla expect it to be 48k AFTER grants/incentives.

Old diesel wrote: »

I got the impression that an earlier poster was told by Tesla Sandyford that 48/49 k was AFTER grant.

Yes - that was me and you are quite correct.

Old diesel wrote: »

But in his youtube video Bob Flavin implies the 49 k is "before discounts" and that the car will be similarly priced to Kona.

He does indeed. And based on what I was told today, first hand - I believe he is incorrect - I really wish he wasn't but unfortunately it looks like 48k after incentives/grants.

Should have said, more than happy to be proven wrong!

irishgrover

TCP/IP wrote:

That's why EV is perfect for most people because they are cheapskates and only care about saving money it's not about the joy of driving. 99% of EV owners are not car enthusiasts.

Not this ****e again !?

Mike9832

irishgrover wrote: »

Not this ****e again !?

Why if it's true?

Nearly every poster here is driving an EV for the cheap running cost's

If petrol was 30c a litre would they drive a 200km range EV, not a chance

EV's are popular in countries that have extortionate fuel prices

In countries that don't they are doa.

Mike9832

BobbyBingo wrote: »

Tesla expect it to be 48k AFTER grants/incentives.


Yes - that was me and you are quite correct.


He does indeed. And based on what I was told today, first hand - I believe he is incorrect - I really wish he wasn't but unfortunately it looks like 48k after incentives/grants.

Should have said, more than happy to be proven wrong!

No EV for me till 2022 at this rate

48k after a 10k government subsidy

What a joke

Honestly, a joke

Anyone that thinks VW are going to come in and save the day with a 30k EV, need to get real

KCross

Calm heads on the price. Both bobbybingo and flavin have got their info from the same source.

One of them got bad info. It could be either. Let’s wait and see.

Mike9832

KCross wrote: »

Calm heads on the price. Both bobbybingo and flavin have got their info from the same source.

One of them got bad info. It could be either. Let’s wait and see.

Your around long enough KCross

You know the 48k figure is going to be correct

KCross

Mike9832 wrote: »

Your around long enough KCross

You know the 48k figure is going to be correct

It would explain why the Kona and eNiro are 39k! Makes them look like a bargain if the SR is 48k after incentives!

I’m not convinced one way or the other what price is correct. Musk will have failed, imo, if the SR is 48k. That’s not a threat to any incumbent, so I’ll hold on the price until I see it on their website!

unkel

KCross wrote: »

Calm heads on the price. Both bobbybingo and flavin have got their info from the same source.

One of them got bad info. It could be either. Let’s wait and see.

Both are probably wrong. And grogi and I are right

Shefwedfan

irishgrover wrote: »

Not this ****e again !?

Every couple of weeks, a few sweeping statements later they are off again

traco

Love this thread - I make sure I always have a coffee when checking!

I drop in every few days for some facts on the cars release date / prices and end up going through 10 pages of handbag swinging to find the 5 relevant posts. Brilliant.

Mc-BigE

Top gear M3 vs Tesla Model 3 showdown......

https://youtu.be/DSRWKxytW40

Shefwedfan

traco wrote: »

Love this thread - I make sure I always have a coffee when checking!

I drop in every few days for some facts on the cars release date / prices and end up going through 10 pages of handbag swinging to find the 5 relevant posts. Brilliant.

Well it is page 100 of posts for me and yet to see a confirmed price for the Model 3. Something was posted yesterday and then got lost in a pile of sh*t :P

kev22185

Mike9832 wrote: »

Your around long enough KCross

You know the 48k figure is going to be correct

Sad but probably true. We're forever getting shafted on prices in Ireland. Portugal have the same rate of VAT, Ireland has a 5k deduction on purchase and the cars cost the same amount to produce regardless of where in the eurozone. I'm not sure how a Model 3 in Portugal (with 0 grants on purchase price) can cost 48,900 and a Model 3 in Ireland will cost 48,000 other than blatant opportunism.

Anyway - there's been very little actual Tesla talk in this thread over the last few pages. So here's a Tesla contribution: apparently Rich Repairs, the lad who fixes up Tesla cars and posts videos on YouTube, is on Joe Rogan today. Might be interesting. He's had a lot of **** from Tesla over the years and has done some really incredible restorations

Sabre Man

kev22185 wrote: »

Sad but probably true. We're forever getting shafted on prices in Ireland. Portugal have the same rate of VAT, Ireland has a 5k deduction on purchase and the cars cost the same amount to produce regardless of where in the eurozone. I'm not sure how a Model 3 in Portugal (with 0 grants on purchase price) can cost 48,900 and a Model 3 in Ireland will cost 48,000 other than blatant opportunism.

Model 3 should be 5k cheaper than in Portugal in that case.

Villain

Someone I know was in the showroom today and Tesla don't know pricing yet, should do in next week or two when it goes up on configurator.

It is nice to see a Model 3 in their showroom but kinda funny that they bring in a LHD version with no idea of pricing!

Old diesel

Sabre Man wrote: »

kev22185 wrote: »

Sad but probably true. We're forever getting shafted on prices in Ireland. Portugal have the same rate of VAT, Ireland has a 5k deduction on purchase and the cars cost the same amount to produce regardless of where in the eurozone. I'm not sure how a Model 3 in Portugal (with 0 grants on purchase price) can cost 48,900 and a Model 3 in Ireland will cost 48,000 other than blatant opportunism.

Model 3 should be 5k cheaper than in Portugal in that case.

I think the point is that an Irish car should be 43 k after the 5 k SEAI grant coming off it.

(The other 5 k is a VRT rebate)

Mike9832

kev22185 wrote: »

Sad but probably true. We're forever getting shafted on prices in Ireland

100%

eagerv

Old diesel wrote: »

I think the point is that an Irish car should be 43 k after the 5 k SEAI grant coming off it.

(The other 5 k is a VRT rebate)

Depends on what the OMSP is on the car incl VRT, VAT etc.


There may be a residual VRT of 3K which would mean we should be 2K cheaper than Portugal.


Only a guess at the moment..