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03-04-2016 3:29pm#1
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DARK-KNIGHT wrote: »Have to keep budget low as possible
The best selling and most popular starter rifle is the CZ .22lr.
Th setup above would cost, depending on scope choice, about €700-€800 new or between €300 - €550 second hand. There are a fantastic gun, and if you asked i would say about 70% of rifle shooter either had one or have one. I have two in my safe at the moment. Check the for sale section here too, might something there.
To find out which rifle you want or more importantly which suits your intended purpose then i would suggest visiting a few rifle ranges, and seeing what others are using, and what they have, use it for, how it works, how effective it is, cost, etc. Most ranges would welcome you, and freely show you around. Simply ring before traveling as some ranges need prior notification before you can turn up.
When you go to look at a few rifles the first, and most important, thing is have someone with you that knows their stuff. No offence, but i'm speaking as though you are new to the sport. Someone that knows about rifles (doesn't have to be an expert) or at least more than you. If you don't have someone like that then go ask the stuff below and then come back here and ask opinions based on notes you took. Never buy if unsure or on the "spur of the moment".
If i'm buying i want to check the gun and if i'm selling i'll fire my rifle first to show the buyer what it can do so regardless of whether they can repeat that performance or not they don't come back to me complaining the gun is not shooting right when in fact it's the nut behind the butt.
When buying i always look for the following:- Overall condition.
- Marks, dents, scratches.
- Dirty action/chamber
- Dirty barrel/bore
- Rust on any metal parts
- Greater wear marks on grips/foreend
- Check rifle serial number against person's license (seems odd but you can never be too careful)
Any of the above show a high usage and lack of maintenance. Any lad that presents a dirty or poorly maintained firearm doesn't care for his firearm and as such i'd be less interested. Not to say i'd disregard the firearm, but it'd be a cause for concern as to how he looked after it while he owned it and also a bargaining chip to argue the price.
Next thing i do is ask questions. Such as:- Round count. (Important for some caliber, but not for others.)
- When it was bought
- Was it new or second, third, fourth, etc. hand bought
- Cleaning regime
- Type of shooting (rough shooting, open fields. in the rain, only in good weather, etc.)
- Any upgrades
- Any problems that were fixed or need fixing
- For any work done, who carried it out (competent gunsmith or lad from "down the road")
- If threaded for a suppressor was it factory or aftermarket and who done it
For the scope you ask:- Age
- New or bought second, third, etc. hand
- Any dents, scratches, marks, etc
- Any issues with loss of tracking
- Can it hold zero
- Is it caliber rated/suited
- Are the rings appropriate for height, the scope on it, and for the caliber it's on.
Lastly, if you can you fire the rifle. Look for:- The bolt cycles well (on an empty chamber) and without any sticking or issues relating to stiffness
- The magazine or blind magazine holds the amount of rounds it's meant to and the rounds feed freely form it
- The safety works and will not allow the rifle to fire (in this case dry fire)
- The suppressor (if one comes with it) screws on easily and functions well when the rifle is fired. Functions well, meaning it is properly cut and sits perfectly on the rifle and does not cause clipping of bullets when fired.
- Fire a group or three and make sure the gun can hold it's zero.
- Do a box test and make sure the scope returns to zero
- The scope turrets are precise and not tight to turn as well as go through the full range of clicks (if you know the scope brand in advance check the technical specs online so you know how many clicks it should have in elevation and windage)
- That everything remain tight after firing (rings, suppressor, bipod, etc)
Again there is only so much you can do and once you cover as many of the bases as possible, ask the right questions, and either seek advice from someone that knows or have someone with you that knows then you've done as much as you can.Forum Charter - Useful Information - Photo thread: Hardware - Ranges by County - Hunting Laws/Important threads - Upcoming Events - RFDs by County
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DARK-KNIGHT wrote: »I'm going down to range to meet guy think owner
There's a student rate aswell thank God for mature student status
Some ranges have students rates but only up to a certain age, eg 21. After that your an adult regardless.
You could say we are all students until you're dead
There are guys with competition .22 rifles which cost €3000/€4000+ and another €1000+ on rests etc.
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Some ranges have students rates but only up to a certain age, eg 21. After that your an adult regardless.
You could say we are all students until you're dead
There are guys with competition .22 rifles which cost €3000/€4000+ and another €1000+ on rests etc.
Decide on a discipline, a budget, used/new
It's third level education not a fas course so I'm hoping that will help lol surely would be ageist to say only up to 210 -
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DARK-KNIGHT wrote: »It's third level education not a fas course so I'm hoping that will help lol surely would be ageist to say only up to 21
No really, my son is 21 and a third level student and I pay full price for him at some clubs that we are a member of. He's not a member at Harbour House but two other clubs that we are a member of charge full rate. 0 -
Dark knight
Get yourself along again to HH. Student fees, half price, are available up to age 66 then the OAP kicks in
Also a good discount if your a member of another club.
Current fee is 300 + 50 insurance + hello money for the first year. July to July
Cheap shooting and the social aspect is another good reason to join even if you never shoot.0 -
ah right i see. guy from harbor house i was talking to i think its tommy said students did get a discounted rate.No really, my son is 21 and a third level student and I pay full price for him at some clubs that we are a member of. He's not a member at Harbour House but two other clubs that we are a member of charge full rate.
couldnt get down there this morning up to my ears in college assignments :mad:
harbor house is gonna see a lot of me during the summer
3 months chill time
well apart from the part time job in evenings that is 0 -
im honestly excited about the social aspect alone lolDark knight
Get yourself along again to HH. Student fees, half price, are available up to age 66 then the OAP kicks in
Also a good discount if your a member of another club.
Current fee is 300 + 50 insurance + hello money for the first year. July to July
Cheap shooting and the social aspect is another good reason to join even if you never shoot.
living in monasterevin 10 years and know very few people lol
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