Hotel shooting pigeons in underground carpark

Pugzilla

A local hotel has started shooting pigeons that were living in its underground car park. The chicks were killed as well.

Is this legal?

Kristopherus

So you'd be happy to have them sh***ing all over the place? Will you clean the place afterwards?

baby and crumble

Kristopherus wrote: »

So you'd be happy to have them sh***ing all over the place? Will you clean the place afterwards?

Bit of an extreme reaction to some bird sh*t in fairness.

Op I doubt it's legal to kill wild animals on such a mass scale. Also not sure about gun laws etc in a public place like a hotel car park.

Pugzilla

Kristopherus wrote: »

So you'd be happy to have them sh***ing all over the place? Will you clean the place afterwards?

Who ruffled your feathers?

You didn't even try to answer my question, so why are you even posting here?

Atlantic Dawn

Bird crap damages paint on cars, who will pay for that damage? I'm sure if you were to setup a telethon to finance the damage the hotels would be happy to let the pigeons stay. They are classified as vermin like rats so can be killed at will.

ThisRegard

baby and crumble wrote: »

Bit of an extreme reaction to some bird sh*t in fairness.

Op I doubt it's legal to kill wild animals on such a mass scale. Also not sure about gun laws etc in a public place like a hotel car park.

A pest controller can legally execute a bird shoot but there is a requirement that a licence must be obtained from the local wildlife ranger for some birds which is usually as a last resort or just not given. I doubt pigeons fall into that category.

Best the OP contact their local wildlife ranger if they're unsure.

Sleeper12

Shooting pigeons is legal. If the hotel were clever they could charge the guests a fee to let them shoot

baby and crumble

Lads, calm down. It's a simple question from the OP. There are other humane ways of clearing pigeons from car parks than shooting them and their chicks ffs.

loveisdivine

Wow, it must be a depressing existence to hold such contempt for other creatures. God forbid a bit of bird crap might damage your car, or you have to wash it off your building. Better just kill them all instead. Sure their lives mean nothing anyway, just stamp them out.

ThisRegard

They're classed as pests and could be a health and safety issue for the hotel. Who knows, maybe they've tried all other forms of pest control and it's simply a last resort.

Stacker Pentecost

Name the hotel. I'm sure they're willing to stand by their measures having proof of trying all other possibilities befor this last resort.

SteM

Stacker Pentecost wrote: »

Name the hotel. I'm sure they're willing to stand by their measures having proof of trying all other possibilities befor this last resort.

Don't name the hotel.

Pugzilla

They were previously trying to bludgeon them to death, but stopped when a customer complained of blood on his car.

eviltwin

Pugzilla wrote: »

They were previously trying to bludgeon them to death, but stopped when a customer complained of blood on his car.

Who is doing the shooting? Staff members? Pest control company? I'd be more worried about the risk to the public in a public car park tbh.

ThisRegard

I think people are a bit naive here. It's a harsh reality but things like this happen all the time.

Have a read of this http://www.npws.ie/legislation/irish-law/eu-birds-directive-derogations with particular note to the State Wide derogation link on the page.

Esel

baby and crumble wrote: »

Bit of an extreme reaction to some bird sh*t in fairness.

Op I doubt it's legal to kill wild animals on such a mass scale. Also not sure about gun laws etc in a public place like a hotel car park.

Mass scale?

I wonder what Kali from Mongrels would say?

freshpopcorn

Do they ever have pigeon on the menu in the restaurant?

liam7831

CCTV of the staff has being uploaded on youtube

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28oKDPp2zi0

Esel

Pugzilla wrote: »

They were previously trying to bludgeon them to death, but stopped when a customer complained of blood on his car.

Is this a wind-up?

How does one get close enough to a pigeon to 'bludgeon' it anyway?

baby and crumble

Esel wrote: »

Mass scale?

I wonder what Kali from Mongrels would say?

I have no idea who you're talking about but I'd say shooting all pigeons nesting in a car park qualifies as mass scale.

SteM

Esel wrote: »

Is this a wind-up?

How does one get close enough to a pigeon to 'bludgeon' it anyway?

Cover yourself in breadcrumbs, easy.

Bongalongherb

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I'd shoot the bloody things if I could, 5am in the morning above my bedroom window waking me up. Just joking, I wouldn't harm dem flying rats, but sometimes I really want to

Esel

baby and crumble wrote: »

I have no idea who you're talking about but I'd say shooting all pigeons nesting in a car park qualifies as mass scale.

Say there were ten pigeons in total, would that be 'mass scale?

Kali:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JbojpYGAG3k

BrownTrout

Under European law, it's illegal to shoot any wild bird but the Irish government issues a derogation for species like pigeons, crows, grey crows, jackdaws and magpies to be shot if they are causing damage to crops and/or property ect, and also has bylaws allowing for the shooting of game birds (of which pigeons are a member) in their respective seasons.

Chances are they are being shot with air rifles in a closed space like a car park as a normal rifle would prove too dangerous with ricochets, over penetration etc.

What I'd be concerned about if I were the hotel is the law which says you cannot discharge a firearm (which includes air rifles) within 20 metres or 60 feet from a dwelling or public road.

Do hotels count as dwellings?

jimmycrackcorm

loveisdivine wrote:

Wow, it must be a depressing existence to hold such contempt for other creatures. God forbid a bit of bird crap might damage your car, or you have to wash it off your building. Better just kill them all instead. Sure their lives mean nothing anyway, just stamp them out.

And yet thousands of chickens are killed each day for lunch rolls. I don't see the difference.

lotmc

I won't be parking there again. Feathers all over the car, so there was, the last time I parked there.

screamer

Shooting them is a lot more humane than poisoning them. They are pests anyways and in no danger of extinction.

BrownTrout

screamer wrote:

Shooting them is a lot more humane than poisoning them. They are pests anyways and in no danger of extinction.

No different from an infestation of rats imo, why are people okay with exterminating one pest and not another?

Pugzilla

It's the <snip> for anyone interested. If it's legal then they won't have a problem being named.

eeguy

Pugzilla wrote: »

It's the <snip> for anyone interested. If it's legal then they won't have a problem being named.

Fair play. I've often wanted a go at the pigeons and seagulls around Dublin.

Noise dirty feckers

Zaph

Pugzilla wrote: »

It's the <snip> for anyone interested. If it's legal then they won't have a problem being named.

And if it's not legal then we'd rather not have the hotel's name published here thanks.

Esel

Change thread title:

Hotel shooting - 'rats' slaughtered in underground carpark

DBB

Okay folks,
This forum is not for discussion of pest control. It says so in the charter.
There has already been an on-thread warning not to discuss pest control.
Yet pest control is still being discussed.
That's enough of that for this forum.
Thread closed.