Fianna Fail mindset

piuswal

Early in 1922 the Dail voted in favour of the Anglo Irish Treaty, despite its imperfections.

A General Election later that year showed a majority of the electorate supported that decision.

The current FF predecessors and founders would not accept the decision of the Dail and Electorate and effectively initiated a Civil War.

1923; 24 May – Frank Aiken orders the Anti-Treaty fighters to "dump their arms" and return home. Éamon de Valera supports the order, issuing a statement to Anti-Treaty fighters; "Further sacrifice on your part would now be in vain and the continuance of the struggle in arms unwise in the national interest. Military victory must be allowed to rest for the moment with those who have destroyed the Republic".

Eamon O'Cuiv is right, FF have more in common with SF than with FG.


The 2016 General Election gave FF less than 25% of the vote and they still feel they have the right to lead a minority Government, what arrogance.

It seems that FG has offered them and equal role in a Coalition Government but their promise re not supporting FG in Government outweighs all other considerations even though less that 1 in 4 of voters supported them. They are nothing if not consistent with their predecessors; if the vote does not go their way they do not have the willingness or capability of putting the country first.

catbear

I know plenty of households where the parents vote FF but their offspring vote SF. SF is modern sexy version of the outdated mostly male, stale and beyond the pale FF.

Francie Barrett

The Fianna Fáil mindset is pure, narrow self-interest and arrogance. They're refusing to get off their fat lazy asses and to take the Fine Gael offer to form a damn government.

piuswal

They have finally figured out that 50 is greater than 43.

No wonder they bankrupt the country.

Ctrl Alt Delete

piuswal wrote: »

The 2016 General Election gave FF less than 25% of the vote and they still feel they have the right to lead a minority Government, what arrogance.

Your biased post should actually read:

The 2016 General Election gave FF 24.3% and FG 25.52% of the vote and they both feel they have right to lead a minority government, what arrogance :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

And that's not including the other 49% of the democratically elected TDs who are sitting doing nothing by abstaining from voting for a leader of the country.

Honestly the quality of shills these days has gone through the floor

piuswal

Ctrl Alt Delete wrote: »

Your biased post should actually read:

The 2016 General Election gave FF 24.3% and FG 25.52% of the vote and they both feel they have right to lead a minority government, what arrogance :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

And that's not including the other 49% of the democratically elected TDs who are sitting doing nothing by abstaining from voting for a leader of the country.

Honestly the quality of shills these days has gone through the floor

Fair enough point but I was merely commenting from the perspective that as no grouping had a majority and that FF were arguing that people did not vote for EK as Taoiseach yet with even less votes they were making the case that the people had voted for MM as Taoiseach.

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piuswal wrote: »

Fair enough point but I was merely commenting from the perspective that as no grouping had a majority and that FF were arguing that people did not vote for EK as Taoiseach yet with even less votes they were making the case that the people had voted for MM as Taoiseach.

FF have a very valid point in what they say. You only have to look at the seats FG lost and LAB sitting in the Dail sulking with what remains of their TDs to see clear as day that FG/Lab were rejected by the electorate emphatically.

The mere fact that FG ignore this and especially Enda Kenny having been rejected by the Dail also now three times shows which party is truly arrogant

Enda Kenny needs to go and only then maybe your point has validity

piuswal

Ctrl Alt Delete wrote: »

FF have a very valid point in what they say. You only have to look at the seats FG lost and LAB sitting in the Dail sulking with what remains of their TDs to see clear as day that FG/Lab were rejected by the electorate emphatically.

The mere fact that FG ignore this and especially Enda Kenny having been rejected by the Dail also now three times shows which party is truly arrogant

Enda Kenny needs to go and only then maybe your point has validity

I do agree with you re EK personally, he needs to follow the example of Richard Mulcahy and let another person lead the Government.

I suspect EK wants to make history in being the first FG Taoiseach to be re-elected. If that is so important to him he should make it clear to others trying to form a Government that he'll step down in a short time following the formation of the Government.

I was not commenting on people, merely numbers.
Yes the FG/Lab was rejected but in the FF /FG comparison FG simply have more in votes and seats, nothing more. FF were using the numbers to make conflicting arguments.


At least MM had the sense to call it a day having been denied thrice but now it would seem that they are not willing to give the country the certainty of Government duration that the vast bulk of people seem to want. Why not state unambiguously that they will support a 3 budget Government under such and such terms - having agreed the terms with the Coalition/Minority Government?

Brussels Sprout

Fianna Fail want another election. They just don't want to blamed for it happening. If you view everything that's been happening in the last number of weeks through that mindset it makes a bit more sense.

We have Barry Cowen, Timmy Dooley and Willie O' Dea popping up all over the place giving belligerent interviews. On the one hand they have this ongoing mantra that "FG were rejected by the electorate", that they try and insert into every interview, whilst at the same time, they were trying to make the case for a FF minority government, despite them getting even less seats.

They overshot expectations in the election. They realise that there were constituencies that they could have picked up extra seats in had they run additional candidates (Cork North Central and Limerick City spring to mind). Suddenly the old swagger is back and it's nauseating. It's just 5 and a half years after the IMF had to be called into town after the consequences of their previous 13 years in power.

They're like some kind of native political cockroach who are impervious to economic ruination and national embarrassments. Who the hell is voting for them?

mbur

Brussels Sprout wrote: »

Fianna Fail want another election. They just don't want to blamed for it happening. If you view everything that's been happening in the last number of weeks through that mindset it makes a bit more sense.

We have Barry Cowen, Timmy Dooley and Willie O' Dea popping up all over the place giving belligerent interviews. On the one hand they have this ongoing mantra that "FG were rejected by the electorate", that they try and insert into every interview, whilst at the same time, they were trying to make the case for a FF minority government, despite them getting even less seats.

They overshot expectations in the election. They realise that there were constituencies that they could have picked up extra seats in had they run additional candidates (Cork North Central and Limerick City spring to mind). Suddenly the old swagger is back and it's nauseating. It's just 5 and a half years after the IMF had to be called into town after the consequences of their previous 13 years in power.

They're like some kind of native political cockroach who are impervious to economic ruination and national embarrassments. Who the hell is voting for them?

If we include FF we have a majority of TDs in the house elected on an anti Irish water platform of some kind. So why don't FF join in with the others and force FG to accept the will of the people?

I think you are right Sprout. They want another election in which they can wear their anti water charges clothes and get a bigger mandate.

I wonder if the electorate will notice just how threadbare these clothes are. Will they instead punish FF for not getting the job done first time around? I would hope so.

Sierra Oscar

mbur wrote: »

If we include FF we have a majority of TDs in the house elected on an anti Irish water platform of some kind. So why don't FF join in with the others and force FG to accept the will of the people?

That's exactly what they have done, they said yesterday that they would allow a Dáil vote to proceed if Fine Gael did not back down on water charges.

Fine Gael have now backed down.

Fianna Fáil asks for Dáil vote on Irish Water