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vienne86

Armchair Andy wrote: »

That range practice was riveting.

30 seconds was enough for me! :eek:

irishgeo

are the stupid broadcasts restrictions still in place on Thursday and Friday?

alxmorgan

Flicked over to drive, pitch and putt thing with the kids last night
Indepth analysis of 8 year olds swing in super slo mo ?
Seriously ??

Have a love hate relationship with the masters myself.
Love the competition and the fact it signifies start of golfing season (hopefully)
But I hate the way they talk about patrons and all that bullsh*t
This pretense that it is somehow different or better than the rest is offputting

Seve OB

irishgeo wrote: »

are the stupid broadcasts restrictions still in place on Thursday and Friday?

what stupid broadcast restrictions?

there is every bit as much of coverage on Thursday and Friday as there is on Saturday and Sunday. In actual fact, the live times are 3pm - 7:30 pm for each day Thurs to Sat. There is only half an hour more coverage on the Sunday 2pm-8pm.



http://www.masters.com/en_US/tournament/schedule.html

Ronney

Seve OB wrote: »

what stupid broadcast restrictions?

there is every bit as much of coverage on Thursday and Friday as there is on Saturday and Sunday. In actual fact, the live times are 3pm - 7:30 pm for each day Thurs to Sat. There is only half an hour more coverage on the Sunday 2pm-8pm.



http://www.masters.com/en_US/tournament/schedule.html

From Wiki:

United States television[edit]
CBS has televised the Masters in the United States every year since 1956,[80][81] when it used six cameras and covered only the final four holes. Tournament coverage of the first eight holes did not begin until 1993 because of resistance from the tournament organizers, but by 2006, more than 50 cameras were used. In 1997, chairmen Jack Stephens stated that the organizers were worried that broadcasting the front nine of the course on television would cut down on attendance for the tournament.[82][83] USA Network added first- and second-round coverage in 1982,[84] which was also produced by the CBS production team. The Masters has been broadcast every year in high-definition television since 2000, one of the first golf tournaments to ever hold that distinction, and the early round coverage previously aired in that format on USA's sister network, Universal HD.[80] In 2008, ESPN replaced USA and Universal as the weekday coverage provider,[85] with coverage continuing to be jointly produced with CBS.

In 2005, CBS broadcast the tournament with high-definition fixed and handheld wired cameras, as well as standard-definition wireless handheld cameras. In 2006, a webstream called "Amen Corner Live" began providing coverage of all players passing through holes 11, 12, and 13 through all four rounds.[86] This was the first full tournament multi-hole webcast from a major championship. In 2007, CBS added "Masters Extra," an extra hour of full-field bonus coverage daily on the internet, preceding the television broadcasts. In 2008, CBS added full coverage of holes 15 and 16 live on the web. In 2011, "Masters Extra" was dropped after officials gave ESPN an extra hour each day on Thursday and Friday. In 2016, DirecTV will offer an Amen Corner feed produced in 4K ultra high definition—as one of the first live U.S. sports telecasts in the format.[87][88]

While Augusta National Golf Club has consistently chosen CBS as its U.S. broadcast partner, it has done so in successive one-year contracts.[89] Due to the lack of long-term contractual security, as well as the club's limited dependence on broadcast rights fees (owing to its affluent membership), it is widely held that CBS allows Augusta National greater control over the content of the broadcast, or at least performs some form of self-censorship, in order to maintain future rights. The club, however, has insisted it does not make any demands with respect to the content of the broadcast.[90][91] Despite this, announcers who have been deemed not to have acted with the decorum expected by the club have been removed, notably Jack Whitaker and Gary McCord,[90] and there also tends to be a lack of discussion of any controversy involving Augusta National, such as the 2003 Martha Burk protests.[91]

Coverage itself carries a more formal style than other golf telecasts; announcers refer to the gallery as patrons rather than as spectators or fans (gallery itself is also used), and use the term second cut instead of rough (however, the second cut is normally substantially shorter than comparable "primary rough" at other courses).[90] There are also no on-course announcers.[89] The club also disallows promotions for other network programs (with the sole exception of an on-screen mention of 60 Minutes should the final round run long or right before the coverage ends), nor does it allow sponsored graphics or blimps.[89] Significant restrictions have been placed on the tournament's broadcast hours compared to other major championships. Only in the 21st century did the tournament allow CBS to air 18-hole coverage of the leaders, a standard at the other three majors.[90] Since 1982, CBS has used "Augusta" by Dave Loggins as the event telecast's distinctive theme music. Loggins originally came up with the song during his first trip to the Augusta course in 1981.[92]

The club mandates minimal commercial interruption, currently limited to four minutes per hour (as opposed to the usual 12 or more); this is subsidized by selling exclusive sponsorship packages to three companies—as of 2013, these "global sponsors" were IBM, ExxonMobil and AT&T.[89] For 2014, ExxonMobil will be replaced as a global sponsor by Mercedes-Benz.[93] The club also sells separate sponsorship packages, which do not provide rights to air commercials on the U.S. telecasts, to two "international partners"; in 2014, those companies will be Rolex and UPS (the latter of which replaced Mercedes-Benz upon that company's elevation to "global sponsor" status).[93] In the immediate aftermath of the Martha Burk controversy, there were no commercials during the 2003 and 2004 U.S. broadcasts.[90]

gman127

irishgeo wrote: »

are the stupid broadcasts restrictions still in place on Thursday and Friday?

I believe Sky are live from 7pm ish on Thur / Fri.

But they're on the red button from about 3

Miley Byrne

Seve OB wrote: »

what stupid broadcast restrictions?

there is every bit as much of coverage on Thursday and Friday as there is on Saturday and Sunday. In actual fact, the live times are 3pm - 7:30 pm for each day Thurs to Sat. There is only half an hour more coverage on the Sunday 2pm-8pm.



http://www.masters.com/en_US/tournament/schedule.html

Well there were many restrictions on the amount of coverage until recent years. People who have only begun to watch the Masters since then wouldn't believe how little coverage there was, given the wall to wall coverage now.

Mushy

yipsnomore wrote: »

Havent seen a lot of these photos before. Great insight from Tiger

http://www.masters.com/en_US/news/articles/2016-04-04/tigers_tour_of_augusta_national_hole_by_hole.html

Thats quality insight, really cannot wait for Thursday now!

Seve OB

Miley Byrne wrote: »

Well there were many restrictions on the amount of coverage until recent years. People who have only begun to watch the Masters since then wouldn't believe how little coverage there was, given the wall to wall coverage now.

there were indeed.

his question though implied there were restrictions on Thursday and Friday viewing. I simply pointed out there is as much coverage those two days are there is at the weekend.

Sure, we would like wall to wall coverage, but aside from minimal TV hours over the whole week when compared with other tournaments, there is no restrictions as such for the first 2 days as opposed to the weekend.

sky88

The TV rules are really strict like having to call the fans patrons. Isnt Gary Mccord banned from commenting on it cause he said something they didnt like.

Miley Byrne

Seve OB wrote: »

there were indeed.

his question though implied there were restrictions on Thursday and Friday viewing. I simply pointed out there is as much coverage those two days are there is at the weekend.

Sure, we would like wall to wall coverage, but aside from minimal TV hours over the whole week when compared with other tournaments, there is no restrictions as such for the first 2 days as opposed to the weekend.

Well the poster asked "are the stupid broadcasts restrictions still in place on Thursday and Friday?"

Seve OB

Miley Byrne wrote: »

Well the poster asked "are the stupid broadcasts restrictions still in place on Thursday and Friday?"

yes.

surely that implies that either he believes the stupid restrictions will be lifted at the weekend enabling more golf to be shown at the weekend,

or (more likely)

that he doesn't not have sky sports and relies on the bbc who only show highlights on the first two days. if this is his argument, it really is a null argument as just because the bbc only show highlights, it doesn't meant the golf is not shown live elsewhere.

my point stands. it is no more restrictive viewing on the first two days as it is on the last.

lawred2

Please tell me that BBC still have weekend coverage at least?

Seve OB

Ronney wrote: »

From Wiki:

United States television[edit]
CBS has televised the Masters in the United States every year since 1956,[80][81] when it used six cameras and covered only the final four holes. Tournament coverage of the first eight holes did not begin until 1993 because of resistance from the tournament organizers, but by 2006, more than 50 cameras were used. In 1997, chairmen Jack Stephens stated that the organizers were worried that broadcasting the front nine of the course on television would cut down on attendance for the tournament.[82][83] USA Network added first- and second-round coverage in 1982,[84] which was also produced by the CBS production team. The Masters has been broadcast every year in high-definition television since 2000, one of the first golf tournaments to ever hold that distinction, and the early round coverage previously aired in that format on USA's sister network, Universal HD.[80] In 2008, ESPN replaced USA and Universal as the weekday coverage provider,[85] with coverage continuing to be jointly produced with CBS.

In 2005, CBS broadcast the tournament with high-definition fixed and handheld wired cameras, as well as standard-definition wireless handheld cameras. In 2006, a webstream called "Amen Corner Live" began providing coverage of all players passing through holes 11, 12, and 13 through all four rounds.[86] This was the first full tournament multi-hole webcast from a major championship. In 2007, CBS added "Masters Extra," an extra hour of full-field bonus coverage daily on the internet, preceding the television broadcasts. In 2008, CBS added full coverage of holes 15 and 16 live on the web. In 2011, "Masters Extra" was dropped after officials gave ESPN an extra hour each day on Thursday and Friday. In 2016, DirecTV will offer an Amen Corner feed produced in 4K ultra high definition—as one of the first live U.S. sports telecasts in the format.[87][88]

While Augusta National Golf Club has consistently chosen CBS as its U.S. broadcast partner, it has done so in successive one-year contracts.[89] Due to the lack of long-term contractual security, as well as the club's limited dependence on broadcast rights fees (owing to its affluent membership), it is widely held that CBS allows Augusta National greater control over the content of the broadcast, or at least performs some form of self-censorship, in order to maintain future rights. The club, however, has insisted it does not make any demands with respect to the content of the broadcast.[90][91] Despite this, announcers who have been deemed not to have acted with the decorum expected by the club have been removed, notably Jack Whitaker and Gary McCord,[90] and there also tends to be a lack of discussion of any controversy involving Augusta National, such as the 2003 Martha Burk protests.[91]

Coverage itself carries a more formal style than other golf telecasts; announcers refer to the gallery as patrons rather than as spectators or fans (gallery itself is also used), and use the term second cut instead of rough (however, the second cut is normally substantially shorter than comparable "primary rough" at other courses).[90] There are also no on-course announcers.[89] The club also disallows promotions for other network programs (with the sole exception of an on-screen mention of 60 Minutes should the final round run long or right before the coverage ends), nor does it allow sponsored graphics or blimps.[89] Significant restrictions have been placed on the tournament's broadcast hours compared to other major championships. Only in the 21st century did the tournament allow CBS to air 18-hole coverage of the leaders, a standard at the other three majors.[90] Since 1982, CBS has used "Augusta" by Dave Loggins as the event telecast's distinctive theme music. Loggins originally came up with the song during his first trip to the Augusta course in 1981.[92]

The club mandates minimal commercial interruption, currently limited to four minutes per hour (as opposed to the usual 12 or more); this is subsidized by selling exclusive sponsorship packages to three companies—as of 2013, these "global sponsors" were IBM, ExxonMobil and AT&T.[89] For 2014, ExxonMobil will be replaced as a global sponsor by Mercedes-Benz.[93] The club also sells separate sponsorship packages, which do not provide rights to air commercials on the U.S. telecasts, to two "international partners"; in 2014, those companies will be Rolex and UPS (the latter of which replaced Mercedes-Benz upon that company's elevation to "global sponsor" status).[93] In the immediate aftermath of the Martha Burk controversy, there were no commercials during the 2003 and 2004 U.S. broadcasts.[90]

yes. and? not sure what that has to do with my post?

Speak Now

lawred2 wrote: »

Please tell me that BBC still have weekend coverage at least?

Yes they do.

seanhynes

They dont show all that much of the front 9 holes the first 3 days . Only on the final day do they appear more

lawred2

Speak Now wrote: »

Yes they do.

grand - just dropped sky sports last week

irishgeo

i am well aware of how it works and how to watch it the masters.

some of the big players are finished their rounds and you might not have seen one shot if they are out early.

thats what i meant.

Seve OB

irishgeo wrote: »

i am well aware of how it works and how to watch it the masters.

some of the big players are finished their rounds and you might not have seen one shot if they are out early.

thats what i meant.

that's normal most weeks. out early Thursday then late Friday or vice versa is the general way it goes.

Miley Byrne

Seve OB wrote: »

yes.

surely that implies that either he believes the stupid restrictions will be lifted at the weekend enabling more golf to be shown at the weekend,

or (more likely)

that he doesn't not have sky sports and relies on the bbc who only show highlights on the first two days. if this is his argument, it really is a null argument as just because the bbc only show highlights, it doesn't meant the golf is not shown live elsewhere.

my point stands. it is no more restrictive viewing on the first two days as it is on the last.

He asked is is the coverage still restricted on the Thursday and Friday. Simple question. It obviously used to be but it's not now. You asked him "What stupid broadcast restrictions?", as if there never had been restrictions before.

A simple answer would have been "NO, the restrictions are not there so much anymore", instead of making out that they were never there in the first place which your reply intimated

Seve OB

My question was a direct reply to him as I had no idea what restrictions he was talking about. It's been years since there were extra restrictions on the first 2 days in fairness so I had no idea if he was referring to the 1990's.

If I had of said "NO, the restrictions are not there so much anymore", he may well have been disappointed as it turns out he wasn't referring to the dark old days and he just wants to see more hours of golf on TV (as we all would like) so that he doesn't miss the early starters.

Early starters won't get much air time on the Saturday and Sunday also (except not as many fall into that category due to the cut.)

Miley Byrne

Seve OB wrote: »

My question was a direct reply to him as I had no idea what restrictions he was talking about. It's been years since there were extra restrictions on the first 2 days in fairness so I had no idea if he was referring to the 1990's.

If I had of said "NO, the restrictions are not there so much anymore", he may well have been disappointed as it turns out he wasn't referring to the dark old days and he just wants to see more hours of golf on TV (as we all would like) so that he doesn't miss the early starters.

Early starters won't get much air time on the Saturday and Sunday also (except not as many fall into that category due to the cut.)

His question was straight forward, your reply was condescending in my opinion.

Seve OB

yea whatever

slave1

2016 Masters - TV and radio schedule (all times BST)
Date Programme TV/Radio
Tuesday 5 April 2015 Review 13:15-14:15, BBC Two, 17:45-18:45, BBC Red Button, 22:30-23:30, BBC Red Button
Wednesday 6 April 2016 preview 23:15-23:45, BBC Two, 23:45-00:15, BBC One Scotland, 09:15-09:45, BBC Red Button
Thursday 7 April Day one - live 21:00-00:30, BBC Radio 5 live
Friday 8 April Highlights - day one 09:15-10:15, BBC Red Button, 18:30-19:30, BBC Two
Friday 8 April Day two - live 22:00-01:00, BBC Radio 5 live
Saturday 9 April Highlights - day two 10:00-11:00, BBC Red Button, 13:30-14:30, BBC One
Saturday 9 April Day three - live 16:00-00:00, BBC Red Button (Featured groups, driving range, Amen Corner, Holes 15 & 16) 19:30-00:00, BBC Two and 21:00-01:00, BBC Radio 5 live
Sunday 10 April Day four - live 15:15-00:00, BBC Red Button (Featured groups, driving range, Amen Corner, Holes 15 & 16), 18:30-00:00, BBC Two and 20:30-01:00, BBC Radio 5 live

slave1

LuckyGent88

Rory out in the last group with Kaymer and haas on Thursday anyway. That's the 7pm tee time here.

Lowry in group ahead with Cabrera and Holmes.

Should be in TV coverage so.

HighLine

Think we need to have a separate "I hate everything about The Masters" thread.
Can't wait for it. Best tournament of the year and on the best course.

Armchair Andy

I'd be pre-ordering the steak behind that group.

The Talking Bread

Miley Byrne wrote: »

His question was straight forward, your reply was condescending in my opinion.

here here!!

HighLine

Sergio has the slopes of Augusta sussed.

https://twitter.com/TheSergioGarcia/status/717055105485389825

FixdePitchmark

Jesus - just seen a 13 year old doing aimpoint express -

Minderbinder

Does anyone know who Lowry was paired with last year? Or how they do the pairings? I've convinced myself he was playing with Cabrera last year as well.

Armchair Andy

Minderbinder wrote: »

Does anyone know who Lowry was paired with last year? Or how they do the pairings? I've convinced myself he was playing with Cabrera last year as well.

Wasn't it young Kevin Stadler?

martyos121

Ah the Masters, two days away and I can't wait. Probably my favourite sporting event of the year and I'm not even a big golf fan nor do I play it. Love all the traditions and what makes it unique. So, what do the regulars here think, Spieth to make it two in a row, Rory to complete his career slam, Bubba always has a chance on that course too, or anyone else to keep an eye on? Not looking for betting tips by the way, just wondering how ye think this pans out.

Speak Now

Minderbinder wrote: »

Does anyone know who Lowry was paired with last year? Or how they do the pairings? I've convinced myself he was playing with Cabrera last year as well.

Mark O'Meara and Chris Kirk.

Boskowski

martyos121 wrote: »

Ah the Masters, two days away and I can't wait. Probably my favourite sporting event of the year and I'm not even a big golf fan nor do I play it. Love all the traditions and what makes it unique. So, what do the regulars here think, Spieth to make it two in a row, Rory to complete his career slam, Bubba always has a chance on that course too, or anyone else to keep an eye on? Not looking for betting tips by the way, just wondering how ye think this pans out.

I don't think Spieth or Rory will do much. They'll be around(ish) but wouldn't expect anything. They're just not in form at the moment and in golf its very very hard to just turn it on. Jason Day is obviously the man to watch, Scott and Mickelson are lurking, Bubba just seems to gel with the place, Stenson is knocking on the door the last few weeks. One or two surprise packages.

Love the Masters myself but Sky are in serious danger of spoiling it for everyone by their relentless overhyping and milking the cr@p out of every little thing 'Masters'. When I'm reading this thread and I see they're doing 8 year old's swings in slow-mo I'm so grateful for the off button.

PARlance

Armchair Andy wrote: »

Wasn't it young Kevin Stadler?

That was in the US Open. Himself, Stadler and De Jong were paired. The USGA showing their class as they tend to do from time to time.

FixdePitchmark

martyos121 wrote: »

Ah the Masters, two days away and I can't wait. Probably my favourite sporting event of the year and I'm not even a big golf fan nor do I play it. Love all the traditions and what makes it unique. So, what do the regulars here think, Spieth to make it two in a row, Rory to complete his career slam, Bubba always has a chance on that course too, or anyone else to keep an eye on? Not looking for betting tips by the way, just wondering how ye think this pans out.

I think it looks like Bubba again - but very few people actually call majors right.
Even so called experts - Majors in golf are a strange thing - no one seen Spieth doing what he did, then no one called Z Johnson in Open , then you have people that always seemed obvious in hindsight , then someone like Rose and McDowell come along.

You then have the likes of Kaymer totally dominating a major in only 2014 - you have 2009 when it is all so random.

You have Rory , who wins when he wants.

The person who wins most at majors is Paddy Power.

Because for every "fancy" out there you have.

Lowry
Harrington
Mickelson
Scott
Fowler
Stenson (no chance)
Matsuyama
Garcia
Snedeker
Schwartzel
Reed

Each way bets are very quickly gone with other players like;

Grace
Koepka
Walker
Kisner

and some old lad like a resurgent Cabrera.

So dont bother and put 2 euro each way on Langer and enjoy day 1.
Hit pub with other 20 euro and enjoy the idiocy of the outdated great event.


P.S.

Just seen Bubba is 11/1 - that seems crazy , getting onto it. (this is not a betting post)

Keano

It is a gambling post. You know better.

valoren

sky88 wrote: »

The TV rules are really strict like having to call the fans patrons. Isnt Gary Mccord banned from commenting on it cause he said something they didnt like.

He said that the club must use bikini wax for the 17th green as it was so slick.

If you go over the green at the 17th, you're essentially screwed for getting up and down.
A mundane commentator would say "Olazabal flies the green. He's dead"
McCord made a play on the term "He's Dead" along the lines of "He doesn't want to go over the green. That's where the body bags are".

The club didn't like that. Even Mr Wonderful, Tom Watson, tried to get CBS to fire McCord as he didn't like his style of commentary.

I'm not sure he's peeved much, it was news at the time and he became famous in Golf circles for it as "The Guy who got kicked out of Augusta"

kiers47

FixdePitchmark wrote: »

no one seen Spieth doing what he did

Surely you remember me spouting ****e about Spieth all week last year.

Rikand

Can't wait for Saturday and Sunday.

#BBC

Speak Now

FixdePitchmark wrote: »

You have Rory , who wins when he wants.

Ah now it's a bit more difficult than that

yipsnomore

Good interview with Ray floyd on golf channel website. First player to put a 5 wood in the bag.

FixdePitchmark

Speak Now wrote: »

Ah now it's a bit more difficult than that

He seems up for this one.

benny79

I have a good feeling about Rory this year seems more relaxed if his putter gets hot I reckon he'll blow the field away like Spieth last year..

posturingpat

Going to be a brave man and say Spieth won't be winning here, he's starting to crack and the robotic putting perfectionist with an ice cool temperament has started disappearing recently and he's getting very clearly frustrated with his game and making silly errors, he may have burnt himself out a bit and may need a break to freshen up, i'll be surprised to see him in the top 4 or 5 if truth be told.

Rory's quite the opposite to my eyes,he's not been overdoing the tournaments and has been using the few he's been in to try develop his game and his putting in particular and i think he's bubbling up nicely to put in a big performance and can see him taking the lead on the first day and not relinquishing it all weekend.

Fowler's the other player that's been progressing nicely and had another good tournament at the weekend but can he get over the line this week? I'm not so sure and think he could be second to Rory.

valoren

I fancy Dustin Johnson this week.

He's coming in under the radar.
For all the talk of Bubba and his length, DJ is as long, plus he's due a major.

valoren

valoren wrote: »

I fancy Dustin Johnson this week.

He's coming in under the radar.
For all the talk of Bubba and his length, DJ is as long, plus he's due a major.

He has yet to prove he is not one of the biggest chokers in the game.

HighLine

Interesting how a lot of the players are saying that currently, the greens are as fast as they have ever seen them. That could be interesting given the forecasted winds from Thursday - Saturday.

Surprised no one is really mentioning Zach Johnson. Looked really good in the matchplay and the year he won the Masters, the weather was also fairly muck!