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2016 National Champs

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    #242
    Eamonnator
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    neris wrote: »
    I see Sagan was back to his normal 2nd place in the Czech & Slovak nationals

    He was beaten by his brother.


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    #243
    Lusk_Doyle
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    Eamonnator wrote: »
    He was beaten by his brother.

    And two others.


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    #244
    Eamonnator
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    Lusk_Doyle wrote: »
    And two others.

    Not in the Slovakian Championships, he wasn't.

    http://www.procyclingstats.com/race/National_Championships_Slovakia_-_Road_Race_2016


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    #245
    buffalo
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    ronoc wrote: »
    Has the full list of finishing times been released yet ?

    http://www.orwellwheelers.org/national-champs-2016/1010-national-road-race-championship-results


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    #246
    neris
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    Surprised to see the rte 9 oclock news had somewhat of a report on the nationals and even a bit of video


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    #247
    JK.BMC
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    neris wrote: »
    Surprised to see the rte 9 oclock news had somewhat of a report on the nationals and even a bit of video

    On probably the busiest sporting weekend on decades. Was good to see


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    #248
    Lusk_Doyle
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    Eamonnator wrote: »
    Not in the Slovakian Championships, he wasn't.

    http://www.procyclingstats.com/race/National_Championships_Slovakia_-_Road_Race_2016

    It's a combined race. He was 4th over the line after RK, his bro and Stybar.


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    #249
    Eamonnator
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    Lusk_Doyle wrote: »
    It's a combined race. He was 4th over the line after RK, his bro and Stybar.

    I know that, one race, two championships, two jerseys, two sets of medals.
    The same as Irish Chamionships once were.

    http://www.thebikecomesfirst.com/juraj-sagan-takes-over-the-slovakian-champions-jersey-from-his-brother-peter/


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    #250
    Eamonnator
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    buffalo wrote: »
    http://www.orwellwheelers.org/national-champs-2016/1010-national-road-race-championship-results

    The men's must have been one tough race, 155 starters, 41 finishers, and big gaps between the finishers.


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    #251
    cunavalos
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    Will be interesting to see what sky come up for his national jersey.
    I think Cycling Ireland have recently made the jersey design much stricter with much less scope for alternative designs favouring the shamrock over the tricolour

    NationalChampsJersey.jpg

    Previously Sky have used the white template for the the GB National Jersey so i imagine they will opt for the white over the green


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    #252
    uphillonly
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    Photos from the Elite Men & Women's race:

    https://flic.kr/s/aHskyXLuQt

    Let me know if anyone wants any full resolution files.


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    #253
    JK.BMC
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    Inquitus wrote: »
    Shame with all the route changes we've ended up with a fairly tepid circuit, the one round Blessington lake would have been savage.

    I wasn't talking to many riders but with just over 40 finishers in the Elite championship I reckon that was a hard enough circuit. And absolutely no surprise that the World Tour Riders were first and second.
    Given the comments about some difficulty in the cavalcade, the notion of doing the race around the lakes on a summer Sunday without closed roads does sound more than a bit troublesome.
    The final venue worked out in the end


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    #254
    JK.BMC
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    Homer1798 wrote: »
    I was around the Elite circuit tonight and it's anything but tepid. It's a tougher circuit than last year and I don't think many complained about that being Tepid. There are plenty of drags and Brewel hill to break the bunch up and very little "flat" (as it's either up or down). I can't imagine the finish being on the Naas side of the town (where the Rás stage finished a few years ago) as it would require a massive operation to keep the run in safe for the 5 events, there is however a wide section of road on the Athy side about a kilo from the circuit that would have enough space around it for the race infrastructure. Masters circuit is ideal and harder in reality than it looks on strava/paper, same for the Elite circuit. Best of luck to the organisers.

    Some more reflections

    https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=804117256355002&id=115231578576910


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    #255
    1bryan
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    JK.BMC wrote: »
    I wasn't talking to many riders but with just over 40 finishers in the Elite championship I reckon that was a hard enough circuit. And absolutely no surprise that the World Tour Riders were first and second.
    Given the comments about some difficulty in the cavalcade, the notion of doing the race around the lakes on a summer Sunday without closed roads does sound more than a bit troublesome.
    The final venue worked out in the end

    from what I saw I'd have to agree with this. Calling the route 'tepid' is unfair. Different types of route will always determine that the race is raced differently, and that it will suit riders with different characteristics or strengths.

    I was positioned at the top of a drag near the end of the lap. It was notable how drained almost everyone looked when they reached that point, even from the end of lap 1.

    I think the route was one for the strong-men. It allowed a vastly superior rider like Roche, once he'd make the race-defining break, to show his superiority. He looked ridiculously comfortable all day. It was just a matter of whether he could play it correctly, tactically.

    Longer, steeper hills may have favoured the more-lithe Dunbar, but you have to play the hand you're given. I thought he did remarkably well to show as strongly in the break, as he did. It was clear the tank was empty after Roche's final attack.

    And to those complaining about behaviour on the road or whatever. It may be moot, but at around 1:30pm it became eerily quiet. No traffic, a lot of spectators disappeared. Obviously all off to watch the soccer match. The last 2 laps could almost have been run un-marshalled, it was that quiet .

    Well done to the organisers of this. Running the weekend's events was not an easy task. The circuit was perfect. The marshalling that I saw, was flawless. It all led to excellent racing, and worthy champions.


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    #256
    Taxuser1
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    47 kmph average for first 12kms, looked like around 46kms were done in first hour of racing and not too far off that in the second hour - then it really started to ramp up. Thankfully I was in a car with the shivers even befoe the end of lap 1. I went anticlockwise on the lap afterwards and each rider to a man was in pain. The weather and the route thinned the field out after each lap, the speeds were savage even on the route which was a hardman's course. You looks at the Irish hardmen who finished 18 minutes down though and it gives an indication of the race. 3 laps less wouldn't have made the race any less difficult.

    Roche looked head and shoulders above everyone else. The approach to lap 3 up the hill to Brennans pub and he had the front group in ribbons pushing a massive gear. Then goin up hill he took a rain cape or something off and was still pedalling the gear as they struggled to go by him. The Mullen group and the bunch were all within sight at that stage but 10 kms later the gap was 2 minutes. They must have seriously ramped up the speed back out the main road.

    Brilliant by Mcloughlin who's just coming back from doing exams as far as I know. Feely did the ride of the day in the company he was in. Breheny from UCD must get a mention but Conn McDunphy the young lad broke a bike, then raced his Dad's spare and still finished well up. Great ride from a lad who's improving week on week. Any of the domestic riders who finished deserve serious credit


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    #257
    Taxuser1
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    47 kmph average for first 12kms, looked like around 46kms were done in first hour of racing and not too far off that in the second hour - then it really started to ramp up. Thankfully I was in a car with the shivers even befoe the end of lap 1. I went anticlockwise on the lap afterwards and each rider to a man was in pain. The weather and the route thinned the field out after each lap, the speeds were savage even on the route which was a hardman's course. You looks at the Irish hardmen who finished 18 minutes down though and it gives an indication of the race. 3 laps less wouldn't have made the race any less difficult.

    Roche looked head and shoulders above everyone else. The approach to lap 3 up the hill to Brennans pub and he had the front group in ribbons pushing a massive gear. Then goin up hill he took a rain cape or something off and was still pedalling the gear as they struggled to go by him. The Mullen group and the bunch were all within sight at that stage but 10 kms later the gap was 2 minutes. They must have seriously ramped up the speed back out the main road.

    Brilliant by Mcloughlin who's just coming back from doing exams as far as I know. Feely did the ride of the day in the company he was in. Breheny from UCD must get a mention but Conn McDunphy the young lad broke a bike, then raced his Dad's spare and still finished well up. Great ride from a lad who's improving week on week. Any of the domestic riders who finished deserve serious credit


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    #258
    buffalo
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    Taxuser1 wrote: »
    Breheny from UCD must get a mention

    Breheny (#41) DNFed, the results are being amended to replace him with Chris McGlinchey (#141).


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    #259
    Taxuser1
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    buffalo wrote: »
    Breheny (#41) DNFed, the results are being amended to replace him with Chris McGlinchey (#141).

    thought the pictures were missing him alright !


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    #260
    fat bloke
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    Taxuser1 wrote: »
    47 kmph average for first 12kms - then it really started to ramp up.
    :eek::eek::D

    Nice write up. Sounds savage. Have an image of a monocled Nico supping a cappucino and perusing Sunday papers up the drags with the rest of the lads shnottin' and shpittin' in his wake :D


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    #261
    Taxuser1
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    Taxuser1 wrote: »
    47 kmph average for first 12kms, looked like around 46kms were done in first hour of racing and not too far off that in the second hour - then it really started to ramp up. Thankfully I was in a car with the shivers even befoe the end of lap 1. I went anticlockwise on the lap afterwards and each rider to a man was in pain. The weather and the route thinned the field out after each lap, the speeds were savage even on the route which was a hardman's course. You looks at the Irish hardmen who finished 18 minutes down though and it gives an indication of the race. 3 laps less wouldn't have made the race any less difficult.

    Roche looked head and shoulders above everyone else. The approach to lap 3 up the hill to Brennans pub and he had the front group in ribbons pushing a massive gear. Then goin up hill he took a rain cape or something off and was still pedalling the gear as they struggled to go by him. The Mullen group and the bunch were all within sight at that stage but 10 kms later the gap was 2 minutes. They must have seriously ramped up the speed back out the main road.

    Brilliant by Mcloughlin who's just coming back from doing exams as far as I know. Feely did the ride of the day in the company he was in. Breheny from UCD must get a mention but Conn McDunphy the young lad broke a bike, then raced his Dad's spare and still finished well up. Great ride from a lad who's improving week on week. Any of the domestic riders who finished deserve serious credit

    that 47 kmph average was my average and I'd lost a minute out the back :-)

    just saw that Morton and co average was 52 kmph for first 12kms

    45 kmph for first hour of racing, probably standard enough for lads who came from the Ras on a dry day but this was a miserable horrible day on hard back roads.


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    #262
    greenspurs
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    Taxuser1 wrote: »
    that 47 kmph average was my average and I'd lost a minute out the back :-).

    Chapeau ! Some balls for digging in !
    "Pain is temporary , quitting is forever" ?
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    #263
    Derrydingle
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    Is it only in the national that you have the 40 and 50 masters section or is there other races in the season (apart from the vets races of course)


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    #264
    JK.BMC
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    Derrydingle wrote: »
    Is it only in the national that you have the 40 and 50 masters section or is there other races in the season (apart from the vets races of course)

    And related to the above: is it compulsory for those aged 40 and above to compete in the masters or is it a choice? Poor old Chris Horner and Jens Voigt come to mind here!
    I also do remember a bunch of guys in their 40s turning up to the A3 road race in Cork and being told sorry- it's the ould fellas championship for ye, boy! So who knows the proper regs in these cases?


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    #265
    RobFowl
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    JK.BMC wrote: »
    And related to the above: is it compulsory for those aged 40 and above to compete in the masters or is it a choice? Poor old Chris Horner and Jens Voigt come to mind here!
    I also do remember a bunch of guys in their 40s turning up to the A3 road race in Cork and being told sorry- it's the ould fellas championship for ye, boy! So who knows the proper regs in these cases?

    You can choose to have an elite licence over 40 and that means you ride the elite champs, once you change to an M40 though you cannot go back


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    #266
    TGD
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    JK.BMC wrote: »
    And related to the above: is it compulsory for those aged 40 and above to compete in the masters or is it a choice? Poor old Chris Horner and Jens Voigt come to mind here!
    I also do remember a bunch of guys in their 40s turning up to the A3 road race in Cork and being told sorry- it's the ould fellas championship for ye, boy! So who knows the proper regs in these cases?

    When you are booking your lisence you can opt for Senior or Masters if you are over 40, but you can't have it both ways. CI have a prominent explanatory notice about it on their on-line system. Either can ride in the normal road races - it's in National Championships the main difference comes in.


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    #267
    JK.BMC
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    Thanks for the info.
    I think if I am looking correctly that all the finishers in the elite race were under 40 years old. I reckon Stevie McKenna from Omagh is the oldest finisher but I might be wrong. Not that it matters much I suppose.


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    #268
    Derrydingle
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    RobFowl wrote:
    You can choose to have an elite licence over 40 and that means you ride the elite champs, once you change to an M40 though you cannot go back

    TGD wrote:
    When you are booking your lisence you can opt for Senior or Masters if you are over 40, but you can't have it both ways. CI have a prominent explanatory notice about it on their on-line system. Either can ride in the normal road races - it's in National Championships the main difference comes in.


    So what's the pros and cons of having a masters or elite licence if your in your 40 s or 50 s


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    #269
    ragazzo
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    Derrydingle wrote: »
    So what's the pros and cons of having a masters or elite licence if your in your 40 s or 50 s

    National Championships are one main difference. Elite licence can only ride Elite Championships if graded at A1/2.
    A3 elite riders can only ride A3 Championships.
    Riders opting for M40/50/60 licences can only ride their age designated National Championships.
    ie, an M40 rider graded at A3 category cannot ride the A3 Championships and a 45 year old Elite A3 rider cannot participate in the M40 Champs.

    Grading is another difference. If one looks at the A2 and A3 CI rider rankings, there are a number of M50 riders hovering at the top but not being upgraded. M50 riders do not automatically receive an upgrade on reaching the appropriate number of points.
    As far as I know, they can choose to remain in present category.


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    #270
    Derrydingle
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    ragazzo wrote:
    National Championships are one main difference. Elite licence can only ride Elite Championships if graded at A1/2. A3 elite riders can only ride A3 Championships. Riders opting for M40/50/60 licences can only ride their age designated National Championships. ie, an M40 rider graded at A3 category cannot ride the A3 Championships and a 45 year old Elite A3 rider cannot participate in the M40 Champs.

    ragazzo wrote:
    National Championships are one main difference. Elite licence can only ride Elite Championships if graded at A1/2. A3 elite riders can only ride A3 Championships. Riders opting for M40/50/60 licences can only ride their age designated National Championships. ie, an M40 rider graded at A3 category cannot ride the A3 Championships and a 45 year old Elite A3 rider cannot participate in the M40 Champs.

    ragazzo wrote:
    Grading is another difference. If one looks at the A2 and A3 CI rider rankings, there are a number of M50 riders hovering at the top but not being upgraded. M50 riders do not automatically receive an upgrade on reaching the appropriate number of points. As far as I know, they can choose to remain in present category.


    Thanks for the info where do the A4 guys come into it . Is there a A4 elite licence and if so can they do the master if they are the right age sorry about all the questions on it just I was a little confused over the weekend when I was looking at the race programme


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    #271
    ragazzo
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    Derrydingle wrote: »
    Thanks for the info where do the A4 guys come into it . Is there a A4 elite licence and if so can they do the master if they are the right age sorry about all the questions on it just I was a little confused over the weekend when I was looking at the race programme

    A4 is supposedly a beginners category where riders learn the basics and then progress on. That might work in theory but has not really worked in practice leading to A4 being a mixture of strengths, experience and abilities.

    As far as I am aware, A4 riders can race in the M40/50/60 events but are not classed as Elite so therefore have no separate A4 Championship event. It would be like having a Championship race for beginners which may happen some year but has not happened yet.

    There may also be a distance restriction on A4 races. This used to be 80k, not sure if it is still applicable, which would bar A4 riders from the M40 event. Championship distance for M40 is generally around the 100k mark.


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