New Businesses in Ireland

LHPHB

Does anyone have any good resources for finding newly registered businesses in Ireland?

I have been onto SoloCheck but they are extortionately expensive and don't offer phone numbers or emails only addresses, which I suppose could be useful if you were doing offline marketing.

I am currently using Golden Pages for Business but its not great, I need to get to new businesses.

thanks

mneylon

The data that SoloCheck and others repackage is based on what they're able to get from the CRO.
The CRO doesn't provide email addresses etc., so anyone who has that sort of data would have had to have got it from their own research.
So short answer - the data doesn't exist and if it did you'd have to pay for it, as it's not available from a central source.

pedroeibar1

Despite extensive discussions at the time, the CRO for its own reasons decided on a PDF format for data storage/retrieval. What the people there failed to accept was the world’s biggest information buyers want information delivered online, in their own format so datafields can be filled automatically. That is why there is a profitable niche for players like Solocheck, Experian, D & B, etc. in backward countries like Ireland. Those companies buy the tapes from the CRO and manually input the hard data. That costs. A lot. Even in countries where that type of data is accessible online from their ‘commercial registers’, it is expensive at the level of start-up companies. It is a business acquisition cost for you. Factor it in.

Extortionate? No. Is it reasonable to have a sense of entitlement that expects this type of marketing data FOC?

mneylon

pedroeibar1 wrote: »

Despite extensive discussions at the time, the CRO for its own reasons decided on a PDF format for data storage/retrieval. What the people there failed to accept was the world’s biggest information buyers want information delivered online, in their own format so datafields can be filled automatically. That is why there is a profitable niche for players like Solocheck, Experian, D & B, etc. in backward countries like Ireland. Those companies buy the tapes from the CRO and manually input the hard data. That costs. A lot. Even in countries where that type of data is accessible online from their ‘commercial registers’, it is expensive at the level of start-up companies. It is a business acquisition cost for you. Factor it in.

Extortionate? No. Is it reasonable to have a sense of entitlement that expects this type of marketing data FOC?

While a lot of what you say is true the CRO does have an API which allows you to get back quite a bit of data: https://services.cro.ie/index.aspx

pedroeibar1

Yes you are correct, but the API/data you mention generally is irrelevant because it (a) is not what the main buying market requires and (b) also is in a format that cannot auto-populate data fields in an IT readable way.

The two motivators for corporate information purchase are (a) credit control and (b) marketing, the former being the biggest. The CRO (and its equivalents overseas) exist to monitor companies, financials, etc. not to provide marketing information. None are there for that purpose, but many can be used for data-mining. In many overseas jurisdictions sophisticated online access is available (at a cost) if sufficient volumes are used - autopopulate your own system by downloading whatever is required/ necessary – e.g. number of years in business, length of time at address, key items of financials (fixed assets figures, profit or loss figures, etc.) and for e.g. use it for credit scoring. In the USA that type of data is unavailable but you can plug into Lexis-Nexis and download & autopopulate judgement search data. There is no need for human intervention. Here we still need it in an online era and IMO is where the CRO / Ireland Inc. went wrong.

What the OP really wants does not exist because it is economically unviable - a sort of ‘reverse’ list of the Irish Times ‘Top 1000’ – a 'Bottom 1000' made up of newly registered companies. Even if it were available it would not provide much because most of them - as newcos – would have failed / are gone by the time the list could be produced.

The only way to obtain his/her requirements would be to operate the hard way, a long slog using internet searches based on company formation data taken from Iris Oifigiul, and even that would be useless to someone trying to sell them a webdesign offer.

Graham

pedroeibar1 wrote: »

(b) also is in a format that cannot auto-populate data fields in an IT readable way.

Looks like a fairly bog standard REST api returning JSON responses.

Gmaximum

LHPHB wrote:

I have been onto SoloCheck but they are extortionately expensive and don't offer phone numbers or emails only addresses, which I suppose could be useful if you were doing offline marketing.

LHPHB wrote:

Does anyone have any good resources for finding newly registered businesses in Ireland?

LHPHB wrote:

I am currently using Golden Pages for Business but its not great, I need to get to new businesses.

Try search4less.ie gives the same detail as solo check bit for a flat fee with unlimited usage

mneylon

Graham wrote: »

Looks like a fairly bog standard REST api returning JSON responses.

It is and we've been using it for the last couple of years without any issue

LHPHB

pedroeibar1 wrote: »

Yes you are correct, but the API/data you mention generally is irrelevant because it (a) is not what the main buying market requires and (b) also is in a format that cannot auto-populate data fields in an IT readable way.

The two motivators for corporate information purchase are (a) credit control and (b) marketing, the former being the biggest. The CRO (and its equivalents overseas) exist to monitor companies, financials, etc. not to provide marketing information. None are there for that purpose, but many can be used for data-mining. In many overseas jurisdictions sophisticated online access is available (at a cost) if sufficient volumes are used - autopopulate your own system by downloading whatever is required/ necessary – e.g. number of years in business, length of time at address, key items of financials (fixed assets figures, profit or loss figures, etc.) and for e.g. use it for credit scoring. In the USA that type of data is unavailable but you can plug into Lexis-Nexis and download & autopopulate judgement search data. There is no need for human intervention. Here we still need it in an online era and IMO is where the CRO / Ireland Inc. went wrong.

What the OP really wants does not exist because it is economically unviable - a sort of ‘reverse’ list of the Irish Times ‘Top 1000’ – a 'Bottom 1000' made up of newly registered companies. Even if it were available it would not provide much because most of them - as newcos – would have failed / are gone by the time the list could be produced.

The only way to obtain his/her requirements would be to operate the hard way, a long slog using internet searches based on company formation data taken from Iris Oifigiul, and even that would be useless to someone trying to sell them a webdesign offer.

The long slog is my current way of doing business, like any business, efficiency is more valuable than inefficiency. Hency why I asked the question. Working smarter not harder seems to be the best thing to say here.

If it takes me 4 hours to draw up 100 leads or pay 300 euro for 2000 leads, I'd be willing to pay for them. Its nothing to do with entitlement.

pedroeibar1

Everyone wants to work smarter not harder but sayings like that are clichés, trotted out those who style themselves as ‘gurus’ or ‘life coaches’. Life does not work that way because very few - if any - shortcuts exist, no matter what sector. Everybody would be delighted to pay €300 for 2000 leads, or eve more than double that sum.

You're looking to use business information companies (BICs) to target a segment of the market – newly created companies. There is little pro-active interest by BICs in that sector because (a) the info available from CRO generally is meaningless, no financials are available, no trading/credit history is available; (b) few, if any want to supply newcos on credit, so there is little/no demand on the BICs for credit history info and (c) the sector has a very high failure rate. That means a lot of expensively-acquired dead information, so why should the BICs bother?

BICs make their money from selling info on a company several times, not just once or twice. That information also has to be updated, regularly to be useful, another cost. So if there is a small amount of information available the BICs are not going to give it away.

If as you say you can obtain 100 leads in 4 hours you are doing something very right. The real question is how to obtain a high conversion rate on those leads.

StupidLikeAFox

If you do find a good online site or directory you can use a tool called import.io to scrape the site and populate a spreadsheet for you, which will save some time.

You are threading a thin line of becoming g a spammed in this case though, so be careful how you use your data