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  • 14-04-2016 1:28pm
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    SarahS2013
    Registered Users Posts: 348 ✭✭


    So I was walking in front of the Four Courts today on the way back to the office after running an errand. This photographer standing outside the dome of the Four Courts was snapping every single person walking past like they were Kim Kardashian. Out of instinct I turned my head away from him but this seemed to just make him worse. Seeing red, I confronted him and asked him what he was taking my picture for, to which he replied "It's a free country".

    I understand they are there to get pictures of people involved in court cases but I find it really intrusive that I can't even walk past the Four Courts minding my own business without some photographer taking dozens of pictures of me/others. It feels very very wrong that some randomer now has pictures of me on his camera and there's absolutely nothing I can do about it?

    Are you within your right to ask them to delete the pictures?
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    Esel
    Registered Users Posts: 22,198 ✭✭✭✭Esel


    You can ask, but afaik they don't have to comply. Public place and all that.

    Not your ornery onager



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    rucksack
    Closed Accounts Posts: 127 ✭✭rucksack


    SarahS2013 wrote: »
    So I was walking in front of the Four Courts today on the way back to the office after running an errand. This photographer standing outside the dome of the Four Courts was snapping every single person walking past like they were Kim Kardashian. Out of instinct I turned my head away from him but this seemed to just make him worse. Seeing red, I confronted him and asked him what he was taking my picture for, to which he replied "It's a free country".

    I understand they are there to get pictures of people involved in court cases but I find it really intrusive that I can't even walk past the Four Courts minding my own business without some photographer taking dozens of pictures of me/others. It feels very very wrong that some randomer now has pictures of me on his camera and there's absolutely nothing I can do about it?

    Are you within your right to ask them to delete the pictures?
    No. If in a public place you can be photographed.If they followed you around it may be harrassment. Why would he take dozens of pictures of you? Are you in a court case or in the news?Or are you in the background when some news person is photographed? If so you could just walk on the other side of the street or turn away as you did


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    SarahS2013
    Registered Users Posts: 348 ✭✭SarahS2013


    That's so infuriating. You could understand him snapping people who are actually going in or out of the entrances but he was just snapping EVERYONE walking along Inns Quay


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    rucksack
    Closed Accounts Posts: 127 ✭✭rucksack


    SarahS2013 wrote: »
    That's so infuriating. You could understand him snapping people who are actually going in or out of the entrances but he was just snapping EVERYONE walking along Inns Quay
    Google
    digital rights photographers and you get an idea of the law


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    SarahS2013
    Registered Users Posts: 348 ✭✭SarahS2013


    rucksack wrote: »
    No. If in a public place you can be photographed.If they followed you around it may be harrassment. Why would he take dozens of pictures of you? Are you in a court case or in the news?Or are you in the background when some news person is photographed? If so you could just walk on the other side of the street or turn away as you did

    lol I am an absolute nobody! I work in an office down by Heuston and had walked down to the bank on Capel St and was walking back to work again! He did the same to the person who was walking about 20m in front of me too. The fact that I turned my head away actually made the clicking worse!

    I just thought it was completely OTT. I most certainly will cross over the other side of the road in future however shouldn't have to!


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    rucksack
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    SarahS2013 wrote: »
    lol I am an absolute nobody! I work in an office down by Heuston and had walked down to the bank on Capel St and was walking back to work again! He did the same to the person who was walking about 20m in front of me too. The fact that I turned my head away actually made the clicking worse!

    I just thought it was completely OTT. I most certainly will cross over the other side of the road in future however shouldn't have to!
    my friend from the junk mail thread says you should get a camera and start taking pictures of him.....


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    SarahS2013
    Registered Users Posts: 348 ✭✭SarahS2013


    rucksack wrote: »
    my friend from the junk mail thread says you should get a camera and start taking pictures of him.....

    Haha! Good plan!


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    rucksack
    Closed Accounts Posts: 127 ✭✭rucksack


    SarahS2013 wrote: »
    Haha! Good plan!
    you might sell some if he is a well known photographer and you shoot him shooting the news


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    Canadel
    Registered Users Posts: 1,586 ✭✭✭Canadel


    He probably won't publish your photo.

    He may use it for his own private pleasure though.


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    SarahS2013
    Registered Users Posts: 348 ✭✭SarahS2013


    Canadel wrote: »
    He probably won't publish your photo.

    He may use it for his own private pleasure though.

    Doubtful, I'd a face like thunder on me after the displeasure of dealing with AIB. Your man and his camera just topped it off! :rolleyes:


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    hullaballoo
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    I think he's just a WUM, tbh. He's looking for a reaction so he can assert his right to do what he does.

    I avoid that entrance to the Four Courts like the plague. Unfortunately, they sometimes appear at the other entrances too. It has gotten a lot better since the criminal courts moved to Parkgate Street.


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    niavd
    Registered Users Posts: 61 ✭✭niavd


    That is so wrong. if that was my partner he probably would have grabbed his camera and threw it in the liffey!!


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    MarkAnthony
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    niavd wrote: »
    That is so wrong. if that was my partner he probably would have grabbed his camera and threw it in the liffey!!

    Hasn't got far to go for the criminal damage and assault case he'd face.

    It's a public place, I hate people smoking, spitting, scratching their balls, playing music etc. but there isn't much I can do about it. It's hardly the worst thing in the world, they'll no doubt be deleted a couple of days later.


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    Mrs OBumble
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    OP, do you have any idea how many CCTV camera are around any city? Your picture is being taken probably a few times each minute when you are walking around.


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    Canadel
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    MarkAnthony wrote: »

    It's a public place, I hate people smoking, spitting, scratching their balls, playing music etc. but there isn't much I can do about it. It's hardly the worst thing in the world, they'll no doubt be deleted a couple of days later.
    True.

    Though one would think a person owns the image rights to their own body in the same way a photographer owns the image rights to their own photos. I presume the photo would not be allowed to be published if it's clearly just a photo of the Op?


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    brian_t
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    Canadel wrote: »
    I presume the photo would not be allowed to be published if it's clearly just a photo of the Op?

    They publish photos of people on trial going to and from the courts all the time.
    I presume their permission is not sought.
    What's the difference.


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    rucksack
    Closed Accounts Posts: 127 ✭✭rucksack


    Canadel wrote: »
    True.

    Though one would think a person owns the image rights to their own body in the same way a photographer owns the image rights to their own photos.
    One may be wrong
    Canadel wrote: »
    I presume the photo would not be allowed to be published if it's clearly just a photo of the Op?
    why not?


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    MarkAnthony
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    Canadel wrote: »
    True.

    Though one would think a person owns the image rights to their own body in the same way a photographer owns the image rights to their own photos. I presume the photo would not be allowed to be published if it's clearly just a photo of the Op?

    Photos seem to have this vaunted status in copyright. They don't seem to meet the standards required of other work, certainly not the type that is the result of someone standing there snapping passers by. I'm not sure why there would be a corollary in the light being reflected off/absorbed by my body as I walk off the street.


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    Canadel
    Registered Users Posts: 1,586 ✭✭✭Canadel


    rucksack wrote: »
    One may be wrong

    why not?
    brian_t wrote: »
    They publish photos of people on trial going to and from the courts all the time.
    I presume their permission is not sought.
    What's the difference.
    Ok. I'm happy to be proved wrong on that in a way.

    Does that also mean that my photo can be used in an ad or in a campaign for pretty much anything by private companies?

    And I imagine if I were to take and publish a photo of say, Denis O'Brien, I'd probably still receive some kind of letter from his solicitor fairly swiftly should they see it.


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    Cathmandooo
    Registered Users Posts: 17,324 ✭✭✭✭Cathmandooo


    Op was it a short skinny fella? Tight haircut, dark hair? Some weirdo with a camera took my photo this morning on parnell Street at around 8.30, there were about 5 women around me, he was taking photos of all of us. It was very intrusive, I could see it rattled younger ladies in front of me, I didn't like it either.


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    Paulw
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    Canadel wrote: »
    Does that also mean that my photo can be used in an ad or in a campaign for pretty much anything by private companies?

    Advertising and such would be a different matter. That would usually require a release.
    Canadel wrote: »
    And I imagine if I were to take and publish a photo of say, Denis O'Brien, I'd probably still receive some kind of letter from his solicitor fairly swiftly should they see it.

    For editorial use (newspapers, news websites, etc), nope, they can use away without permission, with the usual stipulations.


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    Canadel
    Registered Users Posts: 1,586 ✭✭✭Canadel


    Paulw wrote: »
    For editorial use (newspapers, news websites, etc), nope, they can use away without permission, with the usual stipulations.
    Except of course if you have the money to take legal action.

    I really don't like the idea that a photo of a person can be published alongside something they may disagree entirely with.


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    SarahS2013
    Registered Users Posts: 348 ✭✭SarahS2013


    Cathmandooo wrote: »
    Op was it a short skinny fella? Tight haircut, dark hair? Some weirdo with a camera took my photo this morning on parnell Street at around 8.30, there were about 5 women around me, he was taking photos of all of us. It was very intrusive, I could see it rattled younger ladies in front of me, I didn't like it either.

    No he was an older guy with grey hair...


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    rucksack
    Closed Accounts Posts: 127 ✭✭rucksack


    Recently a lot of people who are nearby when alleged criminals are photographed are blurred http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/defiant-freddie-kinahan-mobster-showing-off-after-cartel-homes-raided-34612678.html


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