Advertisement
If you have a new account but are having problems posting or verifying your account, please email us on hello@boards.ie for help. Thanks :)
Hello all! Please ensure that you are posting a new thread or question in the appropriate forum. The Feedback forum is overwhelmed with questions that are having to be moved elsewhere. If you need help to verify your account contact hello@boards.ie
Hi there,
There is an issue with role permissions that is being worked on at the moment.
If you are having trouble with access or permissions on regional forums please post here to get access: https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058365403/you-do-not-have-permission-for-that#latest

ESB workers get 5.5% rise and 'compensation' payment

24567

Comments

  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,549 ✭✭✭maryishere


    A simple measure of payroll costs shows the average annual ESB salary, excluding pension contributions, stood at €85,000 last year, compared with €41,000 at the Viridian Group.
    Viridian previously operated Northern Ireland Electricity until it was sold to the ESB relatively recently.

    http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/revealed-a-startling-array-of-perks-on-offer-for-esb-staff-26767643.html

    Some interesting reading there:
    A confidential document shows staff at the semi-state are entitled to a wide range of allowances on top of their basic pay, overtime, and pension contributions.
    Individual allowances can be worth up to €6,000 a year, and workers can benefit from more than one type, the Irish Independent has learned.
    Details of the extra cash on offer come after ESB union boss Brendan Ogle described its workers as "spoilt".
    He also said they enjoyed frequent "gravy" to stop them going on strike.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,007 ✭✭✭✭ted1


    loremolis wrote: »
    Fact: The installation of a commercial fiber network on the distribution system by Siro does not yield one cent for electricity consumers.

    The money they paid back comes from what other areas? It certainly doesn't come from the JV with Vidafone.

    Why would it yield one cent for the electricity company ? It goes towards the dividend it pays out. You said the dividend was paid entirely by the electricity customer


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,007 ✭✭✭✭ted1


    maryishere wrote: »
    A simple measure of payroll costs shows the average annual ESB salary, excluding pension contributions, stood at €85,000 last year, compared with €41,000 at the Viridian Group.
    Viridian previously operated Northern Ireland Electricity until it was sold to the ESB relatively recently.

    http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/revealed-a-startling-array-of-perks-on-offer-for-esb-staff-26767643.html

    Some interesting reading there:
    A confidential document shows staff at the semi-state are entitled to a wide range of allowances on top of their basic pay, overtime, and pension contributions.
    Individual allowances can be worth up to €6,000 a year, and workers can benefit from more than one type, the Irish Independent has learned.
    Details of the extra cash on offer come after ESB union boss Brendan Ogle described its workers as "spoilt".
    He also said they enjoyed frequent "gravy" to stop them going on strike.

    That's a very old article. Also the ESB figure has gone from 85 to 62 and the 2 companies are very different


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,140 ✭✭✭James Bond Junior


    My bi monthly bill is 80 odd euro. I can't remember when I last had a power cut. I don't care what they are paid, I get value for money.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 945 ✭✭✭loremolis


    ted1 wrote: »
    Why would it yield one cent for the electricity company ? It goes towards the dividend it pays out. You said the dividend was paid entirely by the electricity customer

    It does not go towards the dividend thst ESB pays out, Siro is a separate company much like ESB Wind Developmemt Limited.

    Siro should pay the consumer something because the consumer has funded the construction
    Of the system that carries the fiber network. The consumer gets something, albeit s very small % m, from the fiber network on the transmission system.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,062 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    I pay 45 E per month standing order and am 85 or so in credit for years.

    No strikes, no powercuts. Who gives a feck only the begrudgers.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,549 ✭✭✭maryishere


    ted1 wrote: »
    That's a very old article.

    Not that old. But here is a more recent report anyway.


    The average payroll cost for each of ESB’s 7,149 staff was €74,000, with another €7,600 each in pension contributions. Staff also accrued a travel, subsistence and outstanding holiday pay bill of €28.6 million, or €4,000 each. The total average payroll cost is therefore 86k in round figures, which is more than the prime ministers of many European countries earn.
    http://www.irishtimes.com/business/energy-and-resources/esb-report-shines-a-light-on-its-pay-and-perks-1.2154602

    Average ESB bill some years ago in Ireland was about €1200 per year. I do not think it has come down much since.
    http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/annual-electricity-bill-to-hit-1200-as-prices-rise-59pc-26895726.html


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,966 ✭✭✭✭syklops


    ted1 wrote: »
    That was board Gas not ESB

    Bord Gais Energy may have spent up to €300,000 on luxury office chairs
    http://jrnl.ie/213861

    I spent some time in Bord Gais' offices a while back. They have a little old lady who goes desk to desk and will serve you tea or coffee. I don't begrudge the little old lady her job and I quite like that level of luxury, but even in Google or Facebook, highly profitable private sector organisations, Vice Predidents get their own coffee.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,549 ✭✭✭maryishere


    A report in 2014 said " A new Eurostat report shows that Ireland has the fourth most expensive electricity in the EU and the price rose by 5.1pc in the second half of 2013 compared with just 2.8pc across Europe.
    Meanwhile, nearly 1,000 Irish homes had their electricity cut off in March because of failure to pay the bills, the latest figures from the Energy Regulator show.
    Consumers in Ireland pay €24.10 per 100 kilowatt hour (kWh) of electricity which is 20pc higher than the EU average of €20.10.
    It is 34pc higher than our nearest neighbour Britain, the Eurostat report shows.
    That makes us the fourth most expensive country in Europe for power behind Denmark, Germany and Cyprus"

    http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/electricity-prices-fourth-highest-in-eu-after-5pc-rise-30294653.html


  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,007 ✭✭✭✭ted1


    maryishere wrote: »
    Not that old. But here is a more recent report anyway.


    The average payroll cost for each of ESB’s 7,149 staff was €74,000, with another €7,600 each in pension contributions. Staff also accrued a travel, subsistence and outstanding holiday pay bill of €28.6 million, or €4,000 each. The total average payroll cost is therefore 86k in round figures, which is more than the prime ministers of many European countries earn.
    http://www.irishtimes.com/business/energy-and-resources/esb-report-shines-a-light-on-its-pay-and-perks-1.2154602

    Average ESB bill some years ago in Ireland was about €1200 per year. I do not think it has come down much since.
    http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/annual-electricity-bill-to-hit-1200-as-prices-rise-59pc-26895726.html
    Outstanding holiday pay? So staff have worked to much ? Travel and subsistence there expenses not wages. And compensate for costs incurred. And the average salary is 62 fir the standard work week

    As for a prime minister comparison , you loafing the salary of a worker with all kinds of rubbish and then comparing to a base salary


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,007 ✭✭✭✭ted1


    maryishere wrote: »
    A report in 2014 said " A new Eurostat report shows that Ireland has the fourth most expensive electricity in the EU and the price rose by 5.1pc in the second half of 2013 compared with just 2.8pc across Europe.
    Meanwhile, nearly 1,000 Irish homes had their electricity cut off in March because of failure to pay the bills, the latest figures from the Energy Regulator show.
    Consumers in Ireland pay €24.10 per 100 kilowatt hour (kWh) of electricity which is 20pc higher than the EU average of €20.10.
    It is 34pc higher than our nearest neighbour Britain, the Eurostat report shows.
    That makes us the fourth most expensive country in Europe for power behind Denmark, Germany and Cyprus"

    http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/electricity-prices-fourth-highest-in-eu-after-5pc-rise-30294653.html

    We're an island nation we little to no indegnious energy source snd as such are importing nearly all our fuel. we are developing a renewable system that is not dispatchable. Out litigation costs and NIMBISM result in many additional costs when trying to run lines across the country.

    We have limited gas supplies and billions we lost trying to extract them.

    ESB costs are not to blame


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,549 ✭✭✭maryishere


    ted1 wrote: »
    And the average salary is 62 fir the standard work week
    Have you any link for that? According to the report in the Irish Times ( I gave you the link) ," The average payroll cost for each of ESB’s 7,149 staff was €74,000, with another €7,600 each in pension contributions. Staff also accrued a travel, subsistence and outstanding holiday pay bill of €28.6 million, or €4,000 each. The total average payroll cost is therefore 86k in round figures.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,007 ✭✭✭✭ted1


    maryishere wrote: »
    Have you any link for that? According to the report in the Irish Times ( I gave you the link) ," The average payroll cost for each of ESB’s 7,149 staff was €74,000, with another €7,600 each in pension contributions. Staff also accrued a travel, subsistence and outstanding holiday pay bill of €28.6 million, or €4,000 each. The total average payroll cost is therefore 86k in round figures.

    It's on the linking the first post
    http://www.rte.ie/news/2016/0414/781841-esb-workers-set-to-receive-5-5-pay-rise/


    The ESB confirmed that the average salary for ESB employees at present is €62,000, rising to €72,000 when overtime and expenses are factored in.

    The expenses are civil servants rates and are widely published


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,853 ✭✭✭Glenbhoy


    ted1 wrote: »
    Outstanding holiday pay? So staff have worked to much ? Travel and subsistence there expenses not wages. And compensate for costs incurred. And the average salary is 62 fir the standard work week

    As for a prime minister comparison , you loafing the salary of a worker with all kinds of rubbish and then comparing to a base salary

    Hard to know what that 'outstanding holiday pay' figure relates to, I suspect it's accrued as a result of staff not having taken all of the holiday leave due to them. One might be led to think that holiday leave is a little higher than the 20 day norm!!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,549 ✭✭✭maryishere


    ted1 wrote: »

    ESB costs are not to blame

    Its part of the reason - not the only reason - why we have some of the highest electricity costs in Europe.

    Do not forget average wage at the Viridian Group was only €41,000. a year or 2 ago - Viridian previously operated Northern Ireland Electricity until it was sold to the ESB relatively recently.

    High electricity costs in Ireland have a knock on effect on businesses here, making them struggle harder to compete with overseas firms. Sometimes businesses have closed down in Ireland citing high electricity costs as one of the reasons, the straw that broke the camels back.


  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,007 ✭✭✭✭ted1


    Glenbhoy wrote: »
    Hard to know what that 'outstanding holiday pay' figure relates to, I suspect it's accrued as a result of staff not having taken all of the holiday leave due to them. One might be led to think that holiday leave is a little higher than the 20 day norm!!

    No it's 21 days, I think after 10 years you get a extra 2.
    Plenty of people end up travelling at weekends etc and as such bold up time to lieu as they dint get over time


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,007 ✭✭✭✭ted1


    maryishere wrote: »
    Its part of the reason - not the only reason - why we have some of the highest electricity costs in Europe.

    Do not forget average wage at the Viridian Group was only €41,000. a year or 2 ago - Viridian previously operated Northern Ireland Electricity until it was sold to the ESB relatively recently.

    High electricity costs in Ireland have a knock on effect on businesses here, making them struggle harder to compete with overseas firms. Sometimes businesses have closed down in Ireland citing high electricity costs as one of the reasons, the straw that broke the camels back.
    Wages in the north have always being cheaper as have mortgages, health insurance , motor tax etc.
    As for viridian they had lots of sales staff with no qualifications who got commission. As a % ESB have far more chartered engineers than viridian so it's not a true comparasion


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,549 ✭✭✭maryishere


    Other reports in previous years state that "According to the last annual report the company employs 7,870 staff, which would leave pay and pension costs for each employee costing on average €98,678 per head."

    http://www.independent.ie/business/irish/average-pay-and-pension-of-esb-workers-near-100000-26632772.html

    To put it in context, about 2 tears ago Spanish prime minister Mariano Rajoy was paid just €75,000 per year...I assume it has not changed much since. The p.m. of Poland is paid just €33,367.
    http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/enda-kenny-is-still-third-bestpaid-leader-in-the-eu-28953402.html


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,007 ✭✭✭✭ted1


    maryishere wrote: »
    Other reports in previous years state that "According to the last annual report the company employs 7,870 staff, which would leave pay and pension costs for each employee costing on average €98,678 per head."

    http://www.independent.ie/business/irish/average-pay-and-pension-of-esb-workers-near-100000-26632772.html

    Exactly other years. Many people have left and replaced with people on lower salaries , expenses have been cut, bonuses too. Wage freezes put in place while inflation increased. Also that figure sounds like it includes employers PRSI and pension costs which aren't taking into account during comparasions with any other salary so straight away add 10.75% on to any salary your comparing it too


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,549 ✭✭✭maryishere


    ted1 wrote: »
    Wages in the north have always being cheaper as have mortgages, health insurance , motor tax etc.
    I agree wages in the North have being cheaper in the past few decades but certain things are not cheaper there eg mortgages : stg interest rates are higher than euro trackers: petrol or diesel : property tax ( council rates) etc.

    Why should electricity workers wages in Dundalk be nearly 50,000 a year more on average than wages in Newry? You would buy a lot of extra mortgages, health insurance , motor tax etc with that!


  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,853 ✭✭✭Glenbhoy


    ted1 wrote: »
    Wages in the north have always being cheaper as have mortgages, health insurance , motor tax etc.
    As for viridian they had lots of sales staff with no qualifications who got commission. As a % ESB have far more chartered engineers than viridian so it's not a true comparasion

    Not always, but certainly over the past 10-12 years a gap has become apparent in terms of wages between north and south and always between house prices (eastern seaboard prices anyway). Whilst nordie generally pay no health insurance, their local council rates would be on a par with most family's health insurance costs in the south.
    That aside, maybe someone could dig out comparisons with direct competitors (insofar as a natural monopoly has such).


  • Posts: 24,713 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    The smell of begrudgery in here.

    Welcome to the deserved salary of highly skilled workers. I wouldn't be surprised if those most outraged were on he dole leeching from those who work hard and earn good money. How fast they will complain too if they are without power for 5 mins on a wet windy night in the middle of winter.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,170 ✭✭✭✭ED E


    Really it matters feck all, just a chance for the begrudgers to moan.

    ESB salaries are a fraction of energy costs and the nentwork is excellently maintained. Get your knickers in a twist over generation if you want to be productive.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,007 ✭✭✭✭ted1


    Glenbhoy wrote: »
    Not always, but certainly over the past 10-12 years a gap has become apparent in terms of wages between north and south and always between house prices (eastern seaboard prices anyway). Whilst nordie generally pay no health insurance, their local council rates would be on a par with most family's health insurance costs in the south.
    That aside, maybe someone could dig out comparisons with direct competitors (insofar as a natural monopoly has such).

    https://www.morganmckinley.ie/sites/morganmckinley.ie/files/Salary_Guide_2015_MMK_ENG.pdf

    Page 34: http://www.graftonrecruitment.com/downloads/NISalarySurvey2015.pdf

    I know that many engineers are leaving ESB To take up jobs with Kirby who are paying 20k more


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,545 ✭✭✭✭Cookie_Monster


    Is the ESB not semi state? Also do they not run at a massive profit every year so should be able to pay their employees what they want.

    easy to run a massive profit when you are charging amongst the highest prices in europe


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,007 ✭✭✭✭ted1


    easy to run a massive profit when you are charging amongst the highest prices in europe

    Any area where we are not among the highest price ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,853 ✭✭✭Glenbhoy


    ted1 wrote: »
    https://www.morganmckinley.ie/sites/morganmckinley.ie/files/Salary_Guide_2015_MMK_ENG.pdf

    Page 34: http://www.graftonrecruitment.com/downloads/NISalarySurvey2015.pdf

    I know that many engineers are leaving ESB To take up jobs with Kirby who are paying 20k more

    How do pension benefits compare?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,007 ✭✭✭✭ted1


    Glenbhoy wrote: »
    How do pension benefits compare?
    Less than many of their private competitors and other semi states


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,575 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    ted1 wrote: »
    Less than many of their private competitors and other semi states

    Hopefully they use their pay boost to setup their own or boost those pensions then but considering the vast majority of irish peoples ignorance of how public pensions work i unfortunately doubt this is the case and its just another set of people the tax payer is gonna end up burdened with in 20 years time


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,007 ✭✭✭✭ted1


    VinLieger wrote: »
    Hopefully they use their pay boost to setup their own or boost those pensions then but considering the vast majority of irish peoples ignorance of how public pensions work i unfortunately doubt this is the case and its just another set of people the tax payer is gonna end up burdened with in 20 years time

    ESB workers protest over plans to pay €78.4m dividend to State
    http://jrnl.ie/968238


  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,404 ✭✭✭JustShon


    easy to run a massive profit when you are charging amongst the highest prices in europe

    Change providers then? They're not the only option anymore you know.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 945 ✭✭✭loremolis


    JustShon wrote: »
    Change providers then? They're not the only option anymore you know.

    The excessive cost of electricity has little to do with what provider you use.

    The cost of electricity is high in this country due to the huge costs of all of the middle men involved

    The generator has to get a cut, Eirgrid has to get a cut, ESB has to get a cut, ESB Networks Limited has to get a cut, the CER has to get a cut and the provider has to get a cut.

    The costs in Ireland are exceptionally high because of the inefficiencies created by Eirgrid and ESB and the fact that both get a cut out of the transmission costs and because ESB and ESB Networks Limited both get a cut out of the distribution costs. The cost of throttling electicity output from commercial wind farms is also added on.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 211 ✭✭westcoast66


    I have a neighbour who works as a linesman for the ESB. He leaves the house at 9am and is back at 4pm every day. I don't care what they get paid but that is a cushy number and you wouldn't see it in any other trade. And don't believe that crap about them being great for fixing the lines after a storm. Those guys have signed up for being on call and are very well paid for it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,404 ✭✭✭JustShon


    I have a neighbour who works as a linesman for the ESB. He leaves the house at 9am and is back at 4pm every day.

    ESB must've changed from the days my dad was in it. He usually left at 8am and sometimes wouldn't be back until 7pm.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,687 ✭✭✭✭jack presley


    My favourite one is when the pitch fork and fist waving mob complain about the crews putting off the work until Sundays so they can get the overtime. That one always makes me laugh.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 32,688 ✭✭✭✭ytpe2r5bxkn0c1


    loremolis wrote: »
    Who finds the development and maintenance of the system?

    I taken it you mean funds. As the owners, ESB does.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 32,688 ✭✭✭✭ytpe2r5bxkn0c1


    VinLieger wrote: »
    Hopefully they use their pay boost to setup their own or boost those pensions then but considering the vast majority of irish peoples ignorance of how public pensions work i unfortunately doubt this is the case and its just another set of people the tax payer is gonna end up burdened with in 20 years time

    What are you on about? ESB workers do not draw state pensions and receive no tax payer finding whatsoever.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 32,688 ✭✭✭✭ytpe2r5bxkn0c1


    I have a neighbour who works as a linesman for the ESB. He leaves the house at 9am and is back at 4pm every day. I don't care what they get paid but that is a cushy number and you wouldn't see it in any other trade. And don't believe that crap about them being great for fixing the lines after a storm. Those guys have signed up for being on call and are very well paid for it.

    I find that very hard to believe. And there hasn't been a 'Linesman' in ESB for many years now.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,203 ✭✭✭✭jmayo


    2 years ago there was a bad storm and the electricity was gone, they were out working that night and had it back at 11 pm so I think they deserve whatever pay they are on.

    And you don't think they get compensated for those hours ?
    matchthis wrote: »
    When there's storms, floods etc they are out in them getting things going. No power for people who can manage is small, but for the elderly and vulnerable it's a necessity. Didn't an employee die when trying to restore power in the storms over xmas?

    As far as I know they helped contribute to some of the floods.
    And no I am not blaming them for the rain.
    Just for completeness, they are actually classified as Private Sector.

    I always laugh at that piece of semantic chicanery.

    Who owns them again ?
    Who are their shareholders ?
    Who does their CEO report to ?
    Who makes appointments to the board ?

    Private sector me ar**.

    I think it is easy to see the ones with ESB connections around here.
    JustShon wrote: »
    ESB must've changed from the days my dad was in it. He usually left at 8am and sometimes wouldn't be back until 7pm.

    I don't know what they are like now, but dear God some 30 odd years ago they had some of the laziest bunch of wasters working for them.

    I went to school directly beside a ESB yard.
    The guys never left the yard before 10am as they wandered around trying to figure out who filled the kettle and who sat where in the trucks/vans.
    Then they repeated the process in reverse before knocking off time.

    And when you watched them out and about, they were almost as bad as the old P&T/Eircom guys at larking about.
    They would send two trucks/vans and 6 guys out to cut a few tree branches.
    I always wondered why it took 5 guys to watch one guy use a chainsaw. :rolleyes:

    I am not allowed discuss …



  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,404 ✭✭✭JustShon


    jmayo wrote: »
    I don't know what they are like now, but dear God some 30 odd years ago they had some of the laziest bunch of wasters working for them.

    I went to school directly beside a ESB yard.
    The guys never left the yard before 10am as they wandered around trying to figure out who filled the kettle and who sat where in the trucks/vans.
    Then they repeated the process in reverse before knocking off time.

    And when you watched them out and about, they were almost as bad as the old P&T/Eircom guys at larking about.
    They would send two trucks/vans and 6 guys out to cut a few tree branches.
    I always wondered why it took 5 guys to watch one guy use a chainsaw. :rolleyes:

    I can only speak for what I saw of my dad working there. He worked long hours and always came home dirty and exhausted from what amounted to a day spent doing manual labour in a literal hole in the ground.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,317 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    To be fair while the company paying a "sorry the economy was ****ed lads, it wasn't our fault but here's some money anyway" bonus sounds ridiculous, it's actually not completely unusual for a company to pay a "thank you" bonus to reward employees for sticking with the company after a period of financial difficulty.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,116 ✭✭✭PMBC


    They are very well paid; but maybe we should be working out ways that all the rest of us can be that well paid rather than trying to pull them down to base levels.
    Private Sector!! A young friend of the family just 6 months into a job with one of the top four told us that every fourth Friday is 'work from home day'. You do the extra two or three hours on Thursday, stay in bed Friday morning and phone the office at 3 pm to say all done now, just checking in and checking out. Obviously that is an outlier but such does exist.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 493 ✭✭Tsipras


    PMBC wrote: »
    They are very well paid; but maybe we should be working out ways that all the rest of us can be that well paid rather than trying to pull them down to base levels.
    Private Sector!! A young friend of the family just 6 months into a job with one of the top four told us that every fourth Friday is 'work from home day'. You do the extra two or three hours on Thursday, stay in bed Friday morning and phone the office at 3 pm to say all done now, just checking in and checking out. Obviously that is an outlier but such does exist.

    Totally agree with your first point here, people seem to prefer to waste energy screaming "no you can't get more pay because I'm not getting more" instead of asking themselves why everyone isn't getting fairer pay and the 1% are screwing everybody.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    TBH I'd be more in favour of ESB workers getting payrises and the like than I would be to the carry on from the feckin' LUAS drivers.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,321 ✭✭✭m17


    Tsipras wrote: »
    Totally agree with your first point here, people seem to prefer to waste energy screaming "no you can't get more pay because I'm not getting more" instead of asking themselves why everyone isn't getting fairer pay and the 1% are screwing everybody.

    No wonder the bill is so high it would be more in there line to give the customer the 5.5% discount


  • Advertisement
  • Closed Accounts Posts: 211 ✭✭westcoast66


    I find that very hard to believe. And there hasn't been a 'Linesman' in ESB for many years now.

    Sorry mate, just telling you the way I see it with my own eyes. I heard they have some deal where they don't have to go to the depot anymore, just directly to the site they are working on.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,690 ✭✭✭✭Skylinehead


    jmayo wrote: »
    I think it is easy to see the ones with ESB connections around here.
    Mod: Please don't throw around baseless accusations at other posters, thanks.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,007 ✭✭✭✭ted1


    loremolis wrote: »
    The excessive cost of electricity has little to do with what provider you use.

    The cost of electricity is high in this country due to the huge costs of all of the middle men involved

    The generator has to get a cut, Eirgrid has to get a cut, ESB has to get a cut, ESB Networks Limited has to get a cut, the CER has to get a cut and the provider has to get a cut.

    The costs in Ireland are exceptionally high because of the inefficiencies created by Eirgrid and ESB and the fact that both get a cut out of the transmission costs and because ESB and ESB Networks Limited both get a cut out of the distribution costs. The cost of throttling electicity output from commercial wind farms is also added on.
    Well maybe the market shouldn't have been so degregulated so that wind farms aren't constraint when RES hits 50%


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,007 ✭✭✭✭ted1


    m17 wrote: »
    No wonder the bill is so high it would be more in there line to give the customer the 5.5% discount

    Wages make up a tiny section of the bill.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,984 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    Gombeens areas are always first.

    I'd say you know all about that all right.


  • Advertisement
Advertisement