would you consider WWE etc "sport"

entropi

Mister Vain wrote: »

Anyone remember the most electrifing move in sports entertainment?

Electrifying? Surely that's the Shockmaster :pac:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7Q4EVpIFIk

Cantstandsya

Do WWE even consider themselves sport?

I don't think there's anything wrong with what WWE actually is but I see no reason to suggest they're something that they themselves don't even think they are.

In other words, they're entertainment and happy enough to be.

Elemonator

It's acting/entertainment, so I don't consider it sport.

timthumbni

Dtp1979 wrote: »

Are you trolling?

No, Big daddy did beat those 3 guys on his own. I saw it on dickie Davis world of sport with my own eyes. Are you disputing this?

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

timthumbni wrote: »

No, Big daddy did beat those 3 guys on his own. I saw it on dickie Davis world of sport with my own eyes. Are you disputing this?

Ah yes. Shirley beating up Terry and Martin.

timthumbni

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

Ah yes. Shirley beating up Terry and Martin.

It's not Big Daddy's fault what he was christened. You still wouldn't have got into the ring with him for a fair wrestle.

John Wayne's real name was Marion and I bet you wouldn't have tried to belittle him.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

timthumbni wrote: »

It's not Big Daddy's fault what he was christened. You still wouldn't have got into the ring with him for a fair wrestle.

John Wayne's real name was Marion and I bet you wouldn't have tried to belittle him.

He DID choose the name "Daddy" though. That's a pimp name!

timthumbni

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

He DID choose the name "Daddy" though. That's a pimp name!

Maybe, but that was before the name "daddy" was dope.

Cheese Wagstaff

Look Big Daddy, it's Regular Daddy!

mdwexford

It's not sport because the result is predetermined.

It is however a very dangerous job done by highly trained athletes.

VinLieger

Scripted pantomime performed by highly trained and skilled athletes, sports entertainment the name they use for it describes it perfectly I reckon

B.A._Baracus

So much debate. I'll just leave this here.... Because when it comes down to it. It's all that matters... for ol' vinny anyways :pac:

DEFTLEFTHAND

Professional Wrestling began life as a legitimate sport in the 20s. Classical amateur wrestling, freestyle, greco roman etc. Shoot fights. However matches were long and boring and didn't draw money.

Promoters then decided to predetermine results and that's where modern day pro wrestling developed from. The pageantry and the over the top characters emerged over the decades.

It's an art form that fuses high athletic performance with acting. I think you have to be a fan to fully understand it.

Sports Entertainment as Vince McMahon refers to it as.:D

Depp

WWE doesnt even define itself as a sport its 'Sports Entertainment' so they dont have to deal with athletic commisions, whatever if its scripted I dont get all the hate, Its a bit of craic and it can be entertaining

nacho libre

Dtp1979 wrote: »

There is no wrestling. It's just dancing, gymnastics and rehearsed moves. No doubt they have to be big strong and athletic. But it's not wrestling

William Regal
Dean Malenko
Mr Perfect
Bret Hart
Rick Steamboat
Randy Savage
Kurt Angle
Lance Storm
Chris Benoit

Brock Lesnar


What do all these have in common? They can all wrestle and used various wrestling moves in their matches, even if the matches were rehearsed, they still executed some great wrestling moves during the course of their matches.

Wompa1

I guess it's as much a sport as choreographed\synchronized swimming...which the Olympics call a sport. Yip, I'll allow it, I guess.

XR3i

ric flair won the royal rumble in 1995

Beefy78

It isn't a sport and hasn't referred to itself as a sport in years. I don't think calling it a soap is accurate either. It's a weird, crazy thing in its own right. Everyone knows that it is 'fake' but it requires a suspension of disbelief beyond what even a TV show or movie requires. I watched Die Hard yesterday and Bruce Willis didn't have tens of thousands of fans there cheering his every move and booing and hissing at Hans Gruber (although Rickman would totally get cheered by a modern WWE crowd....) When a wrestling match is taking place the guys working have to try to get the crowd invested in their match despite those fans knowing it's not real. This is a huge part of the talent that a successful wrestler will have.

I've gone all over the world watching 'proper' sports. I live and breathe my soccer and NFL teams and have got to watch England in the Ashes in Australia too which was something that I'd wanted to do since I was a kid. But frankly I've seen some absolutely turgid sporting events (and having watched maybe 500 live soccer matches over the last 25 years I've seen more than my fair share of acting and theatrics there) and wouldn't it be nice if some of those events were put on with a dedication to be as entertaining as possible and give as much value for the cost of the ticket as possible rather than sticking one guy up front and trying to steal a 1-0 win?

Two weeks ago I went to Wrestlemania in Dallas at the AT&T stadium. There were 95,000 people there from all over the World and the atmosphere was insane, as it was all weekend at all the other events around town. Someone described fans as being critics which is fair but movie critics don't jump up and down, sing and cheer through movies. People bitch and moan online afterwards but at the time most are swept up in the matches in front of them and desperately want to see their guy win.

It's difficult to describe to anyone who doesn't 'get it' and I used to mock my best mate for watching it so I do understand why some choose to mock.

LeeJM

To those who are fans no explanation is needed, to those who are not fans no explanation will ever be good enough.

Dirty Dingus McGee

Wompa1 wrote: »

I guess it's as much a sport as choreographed\synchronized swimming...which the Olympics call a sport. Yip, I'll allow it, I guess.

The result in those events is not pre determined.

That is the number 1 reason it is not a sport because the result is pre arranged it can't be considered a sport.

Shanotheslayer

Dirty Dingus McGee wrote: »

The result in those events is not pre determined.

That is the number 1 reason it is not a sport because the result is pre arranged it can't be considered a sport.

I don't understand how people are not understanding this.

chopperbyrne

It's not a sport, but it is sporting.

Wompa1

Dirty Dingus McGee wrote: »

The result in those events is not pre determined.

That is the number 1 reason it is not a sport because the result is pre arranged it can't be considered a sport.

The end product is. They plan their routine and execute it. They do it to win medals. With the shady history of the Olympics, it's not all that legit in fairness. Over the last few months we've had 4 Irish athletes get their medals upgraded due to drug busts.

The Pro wrestlers don't compete for medals, they compete to win ratings and get fatter pay packets. Also as fake as it is, the champions and headliners command higher pay than the people starting the shows and also higher appearance fees for private events. Being a WWE Champion is akin to Oscar winner for them. Once they leave the company, they can headline some p1ssant show based on the fact they were 'the guy' and make more money than those who had not been champion.

By the way, I don't think it's sport but then I also don't think synchronized swimming, darts, horse racing and a bunch of other so called sports should be called sports either.

Dirty Dingus McGee

Wompa1 wrote: »

The end product is. They plan their routine and execute it. They do it to win medals. With the shady history of the Olympics, it's not all that legit in fairness. Over the last few months we've had 4 Irish athletes get their medals upgraded due to drug busts.

The Pro wrestlers don't compete for medals, they compete to win ratings and get fatter pay packets. Also as fake as it is, the champions and headliners command higher pay than the people starting the shows and also higher appearance fees for private events. Being a WWE Champion is akin to Oscar winner for them. Once they leave the company, they can headline some p1ssant show based on the fact they were 'the guy' and make more money than those who had not been champion.

The results of wrestling matches are decided before the matches take place it is not a competition whereas synchronized swimming,gymnastics etc are a competition.If they **** up their routine they won't win a medal.

Wresting can in no way be considered a sport as the matches are not competitions over who the best wrestler is it is purely a performance like a pantomime is.

ancapailldorcha

Of course not. But then, "real sport" bores me to tears.

Capt'n Midnight

Sumo or Turkish wrestling would be more real.


At this stage I've very little interest in the Olympics due to the number of professionals involved contrary to the spirit of the games. They are allowing professional boxers this time.

This is the last Olympics where you will see amateur wrestling.
The irony is that it's the last amateur left sport in the Olympics.


Professionals means money and money attracts cheats.

Professionals also means it's the same old faces the only difference is that the venue has changed, they get medals for doing their day job.

For amateurs the Olympics is the pinnacle, for professionals it's just one more stop on the circuit.

mdwexford

Wompa1 wrote: »

The end product is. They plan their routine and execute it. They do it to win medals. With the shady history of the Olympics, it's not all that legit in fairness. Over the last few months we've had 4 Irish athletes get their medals upgraded due to drug busts.

The Pro wrestlers don't compete for medals, they compete to win ratings and get fatter pay packets. Also as fake as it is, the champions and headliners command higher pay than the people starting the shows and also higher appearance fees for private events. Being a WWE Champion is akin to Oscar winner for them. Once they leave the company, they can headline some p1ssant show based on the fact they were 'the guy' and make more money than those who had not been champion.

By the way, I don't think it's sport but then I also don't think synchronized swimming, darts, horse racing and a bunch of other so called sports should be called sports either.

You haven't a clue then is what you are saying.

Dirty Dingus McGee

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

Sumo or Turkish wrestling would be more real.


At this stage I've very little interest in the Olympics due to the number of professionals involved contrary to the spirit of the games. They are allowing professional boxers this time.

This is the last Olympics where you will see amateur wrestling.
The irony is that it's the last amateur left sport in the Olympics.


Professionals means money and money attracts cheats.

Professionals also means it's the same old faces the only difference is that the venue has changed, they get medals for doing their day job.

For amateurs the Olympics is the pinnacle, for professionals it's just one more stop on the circuit.

There have been professionals in the Olympics for a long while now.

Professionalism doesn't damage the Olympics it's having sports like Soccer,Tennis,Golf etc in it where an Olympic medal is not the biggest prize in the game that damages it.

If you only had amateurs in the Olympics nobody would watch as people would know they aren't the best of the best.The original Olympic ideal was opposed to people even trying very hard by training and getting coaching as they thought it was unsporting and sport should be viewed as a hobby. Obviously all that is complete bull as sport (at the top level) is about maximizing your ability and doing what you can to win (within the rules).

TerrorFirmer

Not a sport technically but amazed that people get so wound up about it. Don't watch it myself but the athleticism is incredible. I can easily see why people enjoy it.

housetypeb

It's athletic pantomime.