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N22 - Farranfore to Killarney [route options published]

  • 17-04-2016 12:53am
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    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,317 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    Preferred route corridor information available here: http://www.kerrycoco.ie/en/allservices/roads/n22farranforetokillarneyrdimprovementscheme/

    This was in the local media in 2015 as local TD (now retired) Tom Fleming expressed disappointment that the scheme wasn't included in the government's Capital Investment Plan.
    A KERRY TD has described the omission of the Killarney to Farranfore N22 proposed road development from the Government’s recently announced €42bn investment plan, as a severe blow for the county.

    Kerry South Independent TD, Tom Fleming, has described the decision as a massive setback to the infrastructural needs of the county.

    Deputy Fleming said that this road is a transport hub and the preliminary preparations for the plan and design of the new road has being ongoing for the past 15 years at an approximate cost of €1.5 million. These monies have been expended by Kerry County Council and the National Roads Authority.

    Deputy Fleming has drawn attention to this matter to the Minister for Transport, Tourism and Sport, Paschal Donohoe T.D at a meeting of the Dail Committee of Transport and Communications on Wednesday and called on the Minister to have the road included in a revised plan.

    Minister Donohoe stated that he would bring the request back to cabinet for reconsideration.

    Deputy Fleming has stated that is is hugely disappointing that such a vital project for County Kerry is excluded from the Infrastructure and Capital Investment Plan 2016-2021 but that he will press ahead to have it included in a revised package.

    http://traleetoday.ie/fleming-says-no-funding-for-farranfore-killarney-road-development-is-severe-blow-to-county/
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  • Registered Users Posts: 40 YoungIreland


    The accesses to Killarney from the new bypass seem to be very far out. Also, will the old bypass be renumbered as the N72?


  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,317 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    The accesses to Killarney from the new bypass seem to be very far out. Also, will the old bypass be renumbered as the N72?

    The current 'bypass' has been swallowed up by the town so building it quite a bit out is no harm.

    I would assume the current BP will be renumbered N72 if this scheme goes ahead.


  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,317 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    This is another scheme that will soon be at the stage of being needed immediately. Traffic every day around Killarney on both the N22 relief road and the N72 relief road (by Lidl) is absolutely chronic and anytime there's anything on like the Races on the Muckross Road, there is gridlock in the town centre.

    This + the N71 link are in bad need of being built, priority #1 for Kerry after the Macroom & Adare BPs




  • marno21 wrote: »
    This + the N71 link are in bad need of being built, priority #1 for Kerry after the Macroom & Adare BPs

    I'm assume you mean only after the Dart Underground, Metro North, Luas Completion, Metro South, East Dublin Bypass etc have been completed. That is what you suggest on the other infrastructure threads ?

    So around 2060 they should get down the list to the 2nd Killarney bypass, once the real priorities all over the country have been completed.


  • Registered Users Posts: 262 ✭✭guylikeme


    I'm assume you mean only after the Dart Underground, Metro North, Luas Completion, Metro South, East Dublin Bypass etc have been completed. That is what you suggest on the other infrastructure threads ?

    So around 2060 they should get down the list to the 2nd Killarney bypass, once the real priorities all over the country have been completed.

    In fairness, he did say "for Kerry"


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  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,317 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    I'm assume you mean only after the Dart Underground, Metro North, Luas Completion, Metro South, East Dublin Bypass etc have been completed. That is what you suggest on the other infrastructure threads ?

    So around 2060 they should get down the list to the 2nd Killarney bypass, once the real priorities all over the country have been completed.
    Killarney is not bypassed. Killarney has a relief road, like Castlebar, which if your point were to stand, is getting it's 2nd bypass over MN, DU etc.

    Killarney has a relief road which picks people up in the town, and drops them at an incredibly congested roundabout in the town. It also has 5 incredibly busy junctions which right turns are very difficult to make, all of which are simply at grade T junctions.

    I said priority #1 for Kerry when the 2 projects Kerry needs (Macroom, Adare) are done.

    Building PT in Dublin is one thing, schemes must be done outside of Dublin too.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 4,917 Mod ✭✭✭✭spacetweek


    I'm assume you mean only after the Dart Underground, Metro North, Luas Completion, Metro South, East Dublin Bypass etc have been completed.

    In fairness this scheme would cost peanuts compared to those so it's not a case of either/or.


  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,317 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    spacetweek wrote: »
    In fairness this scheme would cost peanuts compared to those so it's not a case of either/or.
    I can't be the only one that sees the benefits of Killarney's large amount of tourists enjoying the town and spending money in the town rather frustrated sitting in traffic.

    It also bypasses Farranfore, the narrow and busy section of road between Killarney and Farranfore that has about 200 entrances and 15 junctions on it, the two congested roundabouts at either end of Killarney.

    It would shave 15/20 minutes off Tralee-Cork at peak times, and coupled with the Macroom BP will be a big boost for Kerry.


  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,317 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    https://www.kildarestreet.com/debates/?id=2017-10-03a.52

    Now that the Macroom bypass has reached the tender stage, Danny Healy Rae has reactivated his concern for the N22 Killarney-Farranfore & N71 relief road schemes.


  • Registered Users Posts: 667 ✭✭✭BelfastVanMan


    marno21 wrote: »
    https://www.kildarestreet.com/debates/?id=2017-10-03a.52

    Now that the Macroom bypass has reached the tender stage, Danny Healy Rae has reactivated his concern for the N22 Killarney-Farranfore & N71 relief road schemes.

    Poor Leo needs a road atlas...he doesn't have a clue where anywhere is! N11 at New Ross? Macroom in Kerry?? God help us...


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  • Registered Users Posts: 19,369 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    marno21 wrote: »
    https://www.kildarestreet.com/debates/?id=2017-10-03a.52

    Now that the Macroom bypass has reached the tender stage, Danny Healy Rae has reactivated his concern for the N22 Killarney-Farranfore & N71 relief road schemes.

    More of a local scheme with local traffic. Literally about 2 dozen schemes far more important than this, sorry Healy Raes. Not the rest of the countries fault they destroyed the initial bypass with development.
    From a strategic viewpoint bypasses of NCWest and Abbeyfeale should be far more pressing but they're not on hallowed Kerry soil.


  • Registered Users Posts: 19,369 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    Poor Leo needs a road atlas...he doesn't have a clue where anywhere is! N11 at New Ross? Macroom in Kerry?? God help us...

    N11/N25 schemes are lumped as one PPP I think.
    Macroom is on the cork kerry border anyhow


  • Registered Users Posts: 574 ✭✭✭Aontachtoir


    Yeah, and Kerry politicians tend to view the Macroom bypass as a Kerry issue because the N22 is the main road from Cork to Kerry. The construction is taking place in Cork but Kerry is a major beneficiary.


  • Registered Users Posts: 667 ✭✭✭BelfastVanMan


    I see, thanks lads. :-)


  • Registered Users Posts: 347 ✭✭Frostybrew


    Yeah, and Kerry politicians tend to view the Macroom bypass as a Kerry issue because the N22 is the main road from Cork to Kerry. The construction is taking place in Cork but Kerry is a major beneficiary.

    The borders over 20km away from Macroom. It would be like saying that Dublin Airport is in Meath.


  • Registered Users Posts: 574 ✭✭✭Aontachtoir


    Frostybrew wrote: »
    Yeah, and Kerry politicians tend to view the Macroom bypass as a Kerry issue because the N22 is the main road from Cork to Kerry. The construction is taking place in Cork but Kerry is a major beneficiary.

    The borders over 20km away from Macroom. It would be like saying that Dublin Airport is in Meath.
    Maybe you misread my comment Frosty. The Macroom bypass construction is taking place in Cork, but it's a major improvement to the main Cork-Kerry road. Therefore, even though the construction is taking place in Cork, Kerry politicians view it as a major gain for Kerry, and have pushed hard for it to happen. Similarly, the N22 Farranfore to Killarney is a major Kerry issue. It's all part of improving the N22.


  • Registered Users Posts: 347 ✭✭Frostybrew


    Maybe you misread my comment Frosty. The Macroom bypass construction is taking place in Cork, but it's a major improvement to the main Cork-Kerry road. Therefore, even though the construction is taking place in Cork, Kerry politicians view it as a major gain for Kerry, and have pushed hard for it to happen. Similarly, the N22 Farranfore to Killarney is a major Kerry issue. It's all part of improving the N22.

    Oops, didn't mis read. Mis quoted. Mean't to quote the poster above you. :)


  • Registered Users Posts: 17,764 ✭✭✭✭keane2097


    Maybe you misread my comment Frosty. The Macroom bypass construction is taking place in Cork, but it's a major improvement to the main Cork-Kerry road. Therefore, even though the construction is taking place in Cork, Kerry politicians view it as a major gain for Kerry, and have pushed hard for it to happen. Similarly, the N22 Farranfore to Killarney is a major Kerry issue. It's all part of improving the N22.

    Some other fella said Macroom is on the border so its bypass is supported in Kerry unlike a bypass for Abbeyfeale which is presumably too far away :pac:


  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,317 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    In the 90s and 00s, large swathes of the N21/N22 were improved within Kerry, and Castleisland, Tralee bypassed. Now the focus is on the stretches of the above road outside Kerry, in particular:

    N21 Abbeyfeale-Adare
    N21 Adare bypass
    N22 Macroom-Ballyvourney
    N22 Macroom-Ovens.

    In addition to the Killarney bypass in this thread. Unfortunately in relation to the above 4 there is more impetus from the Kerry side to get them done. Limerick TDs have barely no interest in roads bar Kieran O'Donnell (senator) interest in the M20


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 336 ✭✭Benildus


    FB post from local Killarney Councillor Michael Gleeson:
    It seems that consideration is being given to the development of an outer Relief Road from Lissivigeen area to somewhere on the Tralee Road. There is nothing more specific at this stage. If it proceeds it will be a shorter version of the road proposed in 2004 that was to go from Lissivigeen to Farranfore.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 19,369 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    Benildus wrote: »
    FB post from local Killarney Councillor Michael Gleeson:

    He can post away, this isn't funded and there's a plethora of more advanced and important schemes ahead of it for the limited funding available.


  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,317 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    Let's build a 2nd relief road cos the first one worked out so well.

    The N22 Killarney-Farranfore project was the solution to the issue and should be advanced when funding is available. Not some half baked mess that'll have the same problems as before and doesn't solve the capacity issues between Killarney and Farranfore


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 336 ✭✭Benildus


    marno21 wrote: »
    Let's build a 2nd relief road cos the first one worked out so well.

    The N22 Killarney-Farranfore project was the solution to the issue and should be advanced when funding is available. Not some half baked mess that'll have the same problems as before and doesn't solve the capacity issues between Killarney and Farranfore

    The first one initially worked well, then it was ruined by pedestrian crossings and traffic lights as well as too many junctions (and bad junctions) at places like Daly's for example.


  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,317 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    It's not just that. The roundabouts are severe chokepoints just cos of traffic volume. There are pedestrian crossings along the route because it was built too close to the town to function as a bypass. There are no traffic light controlled junctions along the route.

    An outer bypass would shift all through traffic to a new route, and an N71 link and possibly an N72 link would be useful for diverting traffic away from the town. Because of Killarney's narrow streets and lack of decent road infrastructure I would've said that it needs both the existing relief road and the new bypass.

    Castlebar, Limerick, Letterkenny, Drogheda, Clonmel, Dungarvan, Mallow are examples of why this kind of "bypass" simply doesn't work.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,663 ✭✭✭serfboard


    marno21 wrote: »
    That "debate" is so bad it's funny.

    If a satirist wrote it you'd think it was exaggerated. Good God.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,416 ✭✭✭embraer170


    serfboard wrote: »
    That "debate" is so bad it's funny.

    If a satirist wrote it you'd think it was exaggerated. Good God.

    Is that some kind of joke?


  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,317 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    This scheme still getting raised as an issue.

    https://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/10m-works-to-rectify-dangerous-bends-on-kerry-road-464415.html

    No plan to advance this before 2028 at present.


  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,317 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    I can see the Healy Raes pushing this hard as soon as a shovel hits the ground in Macroom. Congestion within Killarney during the summer months is at breaking point and the Killarney-Farranfore stretch of the N22 is nothing short of a disgrace. I can't remember the last time I used fourth gear along that stretch. No overtaking opportunities due to massive volumes of accesses and poor road alignment combined with heavy traffic.


  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,317 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    Scheme has been reactivated by TII. Given that the route has been selected, if funded this should proceed to detailed design and EIS and planning submission in 2019.


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  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,317 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    Kerry County Council have begun appraisal work on the N22 Killarney-Farranfore scheme to determine if it's suitable for consideration for prioritisation of funding in the National Development Plan. This will be conducted during 2018 and TII will decide if it merits funding.

    http://www.radiokerry.ie/work-proposed-killarney-bypass-back-underway/

    Hopefully it will tick the boxes given Killarney is a giant traffic jam already and the summer hasn't begun yet. That's before you consider that utter ****heap of a road between Killarney and Farranfore and the mess that is Farranfore itself. Hopefully it's 200m (160m in practice) spend in conjunction with the massive 2bn spend on reenacting the film Field of Dreams in road terms that's ongoing in the northwest.


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