N22 - Farranfore to Killarney [route options published]

Kevwoody

marno21 wrote:

Hopefully it will tick the boxes given Killarney is a giant traffic jam already and the summer hasn't begun yet. That's before you consider that utter ****heap of a road between Killarney and Farranfore and the mess that is Farranfore itself. Hopefully it's 200m (160m in practice) spend in conjunction with the massive 2bn spend on reenacting the film Field of Dreams in road terms that's ongoing in the northwest.

Marno the northwest has been neglected in terms of road building for years. The road from Donegal to Dublin is an absolute disgrace. Donegal relies solely on the road network for goods and public transport, we have no trains or ports up here, unlike Cork.
I've vast experience of all roads in Ireland and im not saying Cork is not in bad need of new roads, but please lay off on slating the crumbs that the northwest is receiving.

marno21

Kevwoody wrote: »

Marno the northwest has been neglected in terms of road building for years. The road from Donegal to Dublin is an absolute disgrace. Donegal relies solely on the road network for goods and public transport, we have no trains or ports up here, unlike Cork.
I've vast experience of all roads in Ireland and im not saying Cork is not in bad need of new roads, but please lay off on slating the crumbs that the northwest is receiving.

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057870747

Started a whole new thread on this here.

hunggar

Hi guys, does anyone know the full route that is proposed for this road?

marno21

hunggar wrote: »

Hi guys, does anyone know the full route that is proposed for this road?

This is an indicative route only and may be amended as part of the new planning process

http://www.kerrycoco.ie/home3/roadsmain/projects-schemes/n22-farranfore-to-killarney-road-improvement-scheme/

marno21

I see the route as proposed in 2004 has been factored in the Killarney Local Area Plan, showing it as far as Lawlor's Cross (it wouldn't surprise me if they built this part and let the dirty ****heap from there to Farranfore as is given the current attitude to where road funding goes in the country).

The N71 link road is also included along the old proposed route starting with the upgrade of the Loreto Road and diverging after a short while

Also, no word on when the appraisal of this scheme will begin to see if it merits funding under the National Development Plan. Of the 24 schemes eligible, 3 have been activated in full (Ballybofey/Stranorlar bypass, Letterkenny Relief Road, Letterkenny-Lifford) and 5 are at the appraisal stage (Clontibret-Border, Castleblayney-Ardee, Mullingar-Longford, Carrick on Shannon-Dromod and Tobercurry-Collooney).

serfboard

Would they not have been better off, instead of developing a new N22 part of the Traless bypass, to have used (some of) that money to dual the N21 to Castleisland, and then built a proper N23 (which needs to be done anyway)?

That way, all traffic out of Tralee heading for Limerick or Killarney goes out the (dualled) N21 and then branches at Castleisland.

marno21

serfboard wrote: »

Would they not have been better off, instead of developing a new N22 part of the Traless bypass, to have used (some of) that money to dual the N21 to Castleisland, and then built a proper N23 (which needs to be done anyway)?

That way, all traffic out of Tralee heading for Limerick or Killarney goes out the (dualled) N21 and then branches at Castleisland.

It would have been a significant diversion to reroute Killarney-Tralee traffic via Castleisland.

The original plan back in the 90s was a motorway standard DC from Ballycarthy (where the old N22 meets the N21) in towards Tralee. This plan was dropped for environmental reasons and the new plan involved a separate N22 from Bealagrellagh (where the N22-Tralee bypass link branches from the old N22) to the Tralee bypass.

It would've made sense to have a decent DC from Tralee out for about 7/8kms with a new N22 branching south from here as there is significant paralleling between the N21 and N22 at present, although the previous environmental issues regarding felling of trees would still exist.

In the medium term along with this project, the N23 needs realigning from Kerry Airport to the Castleisland bypass. It's a sham of a national primary road, albeit short.

serfboard

marno21 wrote: »

the N23 needs realigning from Kerry Airport to the Castleisland bypass. It's a sham of a national primary road, albeit short.

Agree with that - 'tis absolutely shocking.

marno21

Council told again that the N22 Farranfore-Killarney scheme is the only solution to Killarney's utter mess of traffic.

The N71 link is another important element here.

http://www.radiokerry.ie/construction-killarney-pass-solution-traffic-congestion/

marno21

Discussion on Killarney traffic today on Newstalk with Pat Kenny

https://www.newstalk.com/listen_back/13240/50480/09th_January_2019_-_The_Pat_Kenny_Show_Part_3/

Mainly focused on traffic and parking, particularly on the lack of the outer bypass (+ N71 link) and the lack of multi storey car parks in the town

€500k allocated to this project in 2019, which will all be spent on planning & design. Council seem to think this scheme will open in 2031.

ongarboy

marno21 wrote: »

Discussion on Killarney traffic today on Newstalk with Pat Kenny

https://www.newstalk.com/listen_back/13240/50480/09th_January_2019_-_The_Pat_Kenny_Show_Part_3/

Mainly focused on traffic and parking, particularly on the lack of the outer bypass (+ N71 link) and the lack of multi storey car parks in the town

€500k allocated to this project in 2019, which will all be spent on planning & design. Council seem to think this scheme will open in 2031.

Christ, at that rate we'll all be using our bus pass to enjoy it!! :eek::eek::eek:

amadain

ANY MAPS please, as the original link on post #1 is not working

RikkFlair

amadain wrote: »

ANY MAPS please, as the original link on post #1 is not working

http://www.kerrycoco.ie/home3/roadsmain/projects-schemes/n22-farranfore-to-killarney-road-improvement-scheme/

marno21

No decision yet on whether N71 link will be included in this

https://www.radiokerry.ie/no-decision-made-inclusion-muckross-lissivigeen-link-killarney-bypass/

annfield1978

Phase 1 to 4 has come out to Tender

marno21

Article on this in de paper today but nothing much in the way of updates

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/plans-for-killarney-tralee-relief-road-to-be-redesigned-council-told-977272.html

annfield1978

Decision due in a few weeks. Tenders submitted before Christmas

marno21

Consultants appointed

https://www.radiokerry.ie/consultants-appointed-new-killarney-bypass-project/

marno21

Website launched @ https://n22.kerrycoco.ie/

Options selection now underway.

Looks like a link to the N72 west of the town near Fossa is also being looked at in addition to the N71 link. Between the 27km mainline, and the N71 + N72 links, this will wind up being quite a substantial project - https://www.killarneyadvertiser.ie/bypass-at-least-10-years-away-road-engineer-confirms/

marno21

Jacobs aim to have planning permission for this by Q4 2024 as per Killarney MD council meeting:

https://www.kerrycoco.ie/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/Minutes-Killarney-MD-Meeting-08.07.20-EDITED-FOR-INTERNET.pdf

amadain

Major Schemes

N22 Farranfore to Killarney • Funding of €500k allocated by TII to progress this
scheme in 2020

• Jacobs Engineering Ireland Ltd. have been
appointed as Technical Consultants in March
2020 to resume the Planning and Design of this
scheme and progress same up to completion of
the statutory process.

• They are familiarising themselves with the
previous scheme documentation and are aiming
to obtain Statutory Consent for the scheme by
the end of 2024.

marno21

https://irl.eu-supply.com/ctm/Supplier/PublicPurchase/185026/0/0?returnUrl=ctm/Supplier/publictenders&b=ETENDERS_SIMPLE

Tender out for LIDAR/orthophotography surveys

amadain

Any guesstimate as to when work will actually begin on site ???

2, 3 or 4 years away ???

marno21

Public consultation on route options to commence next Friday.

marno21

Route options published

https://n22publicconsultation.virtualeventspace.io/files/N22%20(Farranfore%20-%20Killarney)%20Project%20-%20Brochure_Final_ENG_online_210512.pdf

KrisW1001

I don't know the area well enough to comment (I rarely head North when I get to Killarney), but I'm glad to see they've included an outer link between N72 and N71 in the plans too - the current rat-run through Ballycasheen really isn't fit for the traffic that it carries, and is a danger to residents living along the route.

Chris_5339762

Yeah that southern link will be useful. All Cork (and everything else from that direction) to Muckross etc traffic has to plod through Killarney or head onto some back roads. Very handy if that gets built.

embraer170

Traffic around Killarney is a disaster these days, despite no tourists at all. Terrible queues coming in on the N72 from Killorglin and mission Rd (I doubt this scheme will do much to alleviate that?).

Pete_Cavan

Would it make sense to send the N22 over to meet the N21 north of Farranfore? This would obviously have to be done along with an upgrade of the N21 between Tralee and Castleisland to 2+2. That would gave a good quality roads between the main town in Kerry. Doesn't make sense to have two decent parallel national roads within 2km of each other, one good quality road would be better. N70 could then be extended to meet the existing N22 and take over northern end of it.

serfboard

Pete_Cavan wrote: »

Would it make sense to send the N22 over to meet the N21 north of Farranfore? This would obviously have to be done along with an upgrade of the N21 between Tralee and Castleisland to 2+2. That would gave a good quality roads between the main town in Kerry. Doesn't make sense to have two decent parallel national roads within 2km of each other, one good quality road would be better. N70 could then be extended to meet the existing N22 and take over northern end of it.

I agree with you, and suggested something along simliar lines on this thread previously ...

serfboard wrote: »

Would they not have been better off, instead of developing a new N22 part of the Traless bypass, to have used (some of) that money to dual the N21 to Castleisland, and then built a proper N23 (which needs to be done anyway)?

That way, all traffic out of Tralee heading for Limerick or Killarney goes out the (dualled) N21 and then branches at Castleisland.