Huge Amount Of Black Smoke Over Dublin

Hanley

VandC wrote: »

http://www.sundayworld.com/news/crimedesk/thieves-caused-10m-blaze-at-dublin-esb-substation-breaking

How does this work?

"Since 2012, over 150km of copper valued at €3million has been stolen, with a replacement cost to ESB Networks at €28million"

dirkmeister

Hanley wrote: »

How does this work?

"Since 2012, over 150km of copper valued at €3million has been stolen, with a replacement cost to ESB Networks at €28million"

You've to add on €3 million to replace it straight away.
I presume labour, money lost when they have to turn off electricity supply in order to replace it?

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Hanley wrote: »

How does this work?

"Since 2012, over 150km of copper valued at €3million has been stolen, with a replacement cost to ESB Networks at €28million"

Labour cost as opposed to material cost

Hanley

Sariyah Flat Roller-skate wrote: »

Labour cost as opposed to material cost

Ahh comprende. They weren't just talking about a big bail of wire someone picked up and threw in the back of a truck so?

Patser

Hearing from my wife, who works in a large multinational, that because of this they lost power, and production suddenly stopped. Could have a big impact on their current batch, potentially costing their company millions.

All for some copper and quick cash.

whiskeyman

Patser wrote: »

Hearing from my wife, who works in a large multinational, that because of this they lost power, and production suddenly stopped. Could have a big impact on their current batch, potentially costing their company millions.

I'm surprised a 'large multinational' with such a high risk impact of loss of power didn't have backup generator facilities?

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whiskeyman wrote: »

I'm surprised a 'large multinational' with such a high risk impact of loss of power didn't have backup generator facilities?

Would take time for it to kick in and in that time a production run could be lost.

OldMrBrennan83

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Captain Chaos

Sariyah Flat Roller-skate wrote: »

Would take time for it to kick in and in that time a production run could be lost.

Most high end modern generators kick in in seconds if they are installed correctly. There should be little to no downtime in any competent setup.

Patser

whiskeyman wrote: »

I'm surprised a 'large multinational' with such a high risk impact of loss of power didn't have backup generator facilities?

They do, and they kicked in quickly but it's a field where quality control and certification is essential. Any changes in production, no matter how slight, needs assessment, which is a big delay, a large cost and a huge hassle/waste of time but proves that production run is safe.

Other than that, ditch the lot at a cost of millions and start up new batch.

OldMrBrennan83

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TallGlass

What type of absolute gob****e must you be to, firstly break into a power substation more than likely with no experience to be in such a highly dangorus enviroment, then secondly to start removing/cutting into live cables carrying kilo volts of power. Then thirdly leave enoght damage to start a fire, take out 1/4 of the city's power supply and put countless people's lives at risk trying to stop a fire and the place from blowing up.

Seriously if someone is caught doing this they should not be put into prision they should be placed into a St Itas for there own safety because something's not functioning up there.

sconhome

TallGlass wrote: »

What type of absolute gob****e must you be to, firstly break into a power substation more than likely with no experience to be in such a highly dangorus enviroment,.

I'd say these roving gangs are well experienced at this theft.

markpb

Captain Chaos wrote: »

Most high end modern generators kick in in seconds if they are installed correctly. There should be little to no downtime in any competent setup.

Generators backed-up by UPS to cover the gap is what any normal company would do. We test ours ever few weeks to ensure we can survive a power outage, no matter how small.

If a power cut can costs thousands or millions and you've no plan, it's entirely your own fault.

Cazale

The multinational story is true. As someone said its in an industry where even the loss of control of systems for more than a few minutes would lead to the loss of batches in their millions. The generator kicked in but stalled. By the time it restarted the damage was done.

Hotblack Desiato

So, their fault then. ESB cannot and do not guarantee continuity of supply.

Tabnabs

Cazale wrote: »

The multinational story is true. As someone said its in an industry where even the loss of control of systems for more than a few minutes would lead to the loss of batches in their millions. The generator kicked in but stalled. By the time it restarted the damage was done.

From speaking to somebody at a sister company, it appears the plant was three hours without electricity after the backup generator failed. It was also confirmed that at their facility the generator(s) will kick in fast enough so as not to loose any product. To design a production line that wouldn't allow this changeover made no commercial sense to my engineer contact.

OldMrBrennan83

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Esel

Never intentionally rob a copper. They will not rest easy if you make it personal.

Hotblack Desiato

Patww79 wrote: »

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In this case, they are the cause of the outage, but outages occur for all sorts of reasons and no utility provider can guarantee they will not occur. The fault for loss of production lies with the customer that failed to plan for the possibility of supply outages.