New Microchipping Laws and Enforcement

ShaShaBear

Just wondering, is there a way to report someone for selling unchipped pups or is there any concievable way of enforcing these laws? Someone local to me is selling 6 week old lab pups (ready to go ) with nought but their first worm dose for €180 a piece. Despite several people telling him that it was illegal, plenty of people expressed interest (as likely they always will).

DBB

I *think* the wardens are enforcing the regulations. I'd be inclined to call the county council and enquire... But I'd say that sort of thing will continue wholesale for some time to come

ShaShaBear

DBB wrote: »

I *think* the wardens are enforcing the regulations. I'd be inclined to call the county council and enquire... But I'd say that sort of thing will continue wholesale for some time to come

I was thinking myself, how exactly would they acquire said pups to prove they are not chipped and also are for sale etc.
I pointed it out on the ad that, for the additional price of the required vet visits that the breeder had conveniently left out, ie next worming dose, flea treatment, vaccinations, boosters and the microchip, that one could have procured a pup off a significantly more reputable breeder.
A very swift block was my reward

muddypaws

As has been said on here before though, the law states 8 weeks from a registered breeding establishment, 12 weeks from another breeder, so selling at 6 weeks old, whilst wrong isn't illegal.

ShaShaBear

muddypaws wrote: »

As has been said on here before though, the law states 8 weeks from a registered breeding establishment, 12 weeks from another breeder, so selling at 6 weeks old, whilst wrong isn't illegal.

I wasn't actually aware you could loophole it by selling the pups so young, so thanks for that!

muddypaws

ShaShaBear wrote: »

I wasn't actually aware you could loophole it by selling the pups so young, so thanks for that!

They'll always find a way round it

Choc Chip

No, you can't get round the regs that way any more. The regs now apply to all dogs and they must be microchipped as soon as they are either (a) 12 weeks old; OR (b) moved off the premises on which they were born; OR (c) sold; OR (d) acquired.

So the regulations apply as soon as the pups are sold or moved, and the people acquiring the pups are also breaking the law.

Interestingly (or not, maybe), there is a loophole for moving the pups off the premises on which they were born in order to go to the vet to be microchipped. There isn't a loophole for general vet visits. So everytime a breeder takes a pup off to the vet before it is microchipped, they are technically breaking the law. Not that I can see it being enforced, it's just "interesting". I really should get out more...

muddypaws

Choc Chip wrote: »

No, you can't get round the regs that way any more. The regs now apply to all dogs and they must be microchipped as soon as they are either (a) 12 weeks old; OR (b) moved off the premises on which they were born; OR (c) sold; OR (d) acquired.

So the regulations apply as soon as the pups are sold or moved, and the people acquiring the pups are also breaking the law.

Interestingly (or not, maybe), there is a loophole for moving the pups off the premises on which they were born in order to go to the vet to be microchipped. There isn't a loophole for general vet visits. So everytime a breeder takes a pup off to the vet before it is microchipped, they are technically breaking the law. Not that I can see it being enforced, it's just "interesting". I really should get out more...

ah here, I was going on what you had said before, when you proved me wrong the last time, now you're doing it again :P

Choc Chip

muddypaws wrote: »

ah here, I was going on what you had said before, when you proved me wrong the last time, now you're doing it again :P

Sorry!!!

ShaShaBear

Choc Chip wrote: »

Sorry!!!

:pac::pac::pac:

So to clarify, it is now illegal to exchange money for a dog of any age/gender/breed/crossbreed that is not currently micro-chipped?

Choc Chip

Yep, it's illegal to sell or supply (or acquire) any dog of any age where the dog does not have a microchip (unless you are importing a dog from another country, then you have 21 days to get it chipped).

So even if you're giving away the dog for free, it still needs to be chipped.

The regs actually go further and say that anyone selling a dog needs to make sure that:
(a) the person acquiring the dog has produced an accepted form of identification and a utility bill issued within the previous three months giving the person’s address,
(b) he or she endorses the name and address of the person acquiring the dog, as recorded on the utility bill referred to in subparagraph (a), on a legible copy of a certificate of registration relating to the dog, and
(c) he or she gives the endorsed certificate of registration to the person acquiring the dog.