It's The Queens Birthday Day.

Fratton Fred

Ush1 wrote: »

So why earmark people from birth for all jobs?

Why not?

Ush1

Fratton Fred wrote: »

Why not?

Works in North Korea?

Fratton Fred

Ush1 wrote: »

Works in North Korea?

And Sweden

golfball37

Fratton Fred wrote: »

Why not?

Works in Eire too shur. I can tell you already who the future TDs are for about 10 constituencies, I can also predict who will be presenting on RTE in 20 years time.

I love the way the Irish scoff at British heraldry and the hereditery rights implied with it. At least the Brits are open about it and there's some structure to it.

Ush1

Fratton Fred wrote: »

And Sweden

Interesting. I must ask my Swedish collegue what job he was entitled to at birth.....

Strangely he didn't have a clue what I was talking about.

Strazdas

I like the Queen. She made a lot of friends here in 2011 by laying a wreath at the Garden of Remembrance and visiting Croke Park etc and by speaking in Irish at Dublin Castle. She showed she had respect for us.

Fratton Fred

Ush1 wrote: »

Interesting. I must ask my Swedish collegue what job he was entitled to at birth.....

Strangely he didn't have a clue what I was talking about.

I was, of course, referring to ceremonial heads of state.

How you relate that to all jobs is a tad bizarre.

shane9689

Strazdas wrote: »

I like the Queen. She made a lot of friends here in 2011 by laying a wreath at the Garden of Remembrance and visiting Croke Park etc and by speaking in Irish at Dublin Castle. She showed she had respect for us.

As long as I can call her Lizzy and never obliged to call her "her Majesty", shes welcome to sit around and lay wreaths...lay wreaths everywhere! sure why not...not that hard to do anyway....

Ush1

Fratton Fred wrote: »

I was, of course, referring to ceremonial heads of state.

How you relate that to all jobs is a tad bizarre.

This post right here:

Originally Posted by Ush1 View Post

So why earmark people from birth for all jobs?

What's bizarre about it exactly?

Fratton Fred

Who said anything about earmarking people from birth for all jobs?

Ush1

Fratton Fred wrote: »

Who said anything about earmarking all people from birth?

I asked the question! The only bizarre thing, removing all the nonsense, is taxes paying for a family to live in a palace just because they are who they are.

Fratton Fred

Ush1 wrote: »

I asked the question! The only bizarre thing, removing all the nonsense, is taxes paying for a family to live in a palace just because they are who they are.

As has been said previously several times. If you were starting from scratch, you wouldn't choose this system today, but why change a system that doesn't hurt anyone and gives a form of continuity.

topper75

The Young Wan wrote: »

The original Lizard Queen

Grrrrreat! Call Krieger and Densmore. I'll do the keyboard bits.

Ush1

Fratton Fred wrote: »

As has been said previously several times. If you were starting from scratch, you wouldn't choose this system today, but why change a system that doesn't hurt anyone and gives a form of continuity.

And as I have said, behead them as the French did.

Fratton Fred

Ush1 wrote: »

And as I have said, behead them as the French did.

And end having to choose between an ex terrorist, a neurotic minor celebrity, a paedophile apologist and a dodgy businessman to take their place?

Nah, you're ok thanks.

Edward Hopper

Fratton Fred wrote: »

And end having to choose between an ex terrorist, a neurotic minor celebrity, a paedophile apologist and a dodgy businessman to take their place?

Nah, you're ok thanks.

Once they're beheaded I think we get to choose a president. Someone suggested an Italian, you're suggesting American? Or Irish? . I suggest someone from the UK, I did think there might be an option to share a president with another country but I think you have to pick your own.

Fratton Fred

Edward Hopper wrote: »

Once they're beheaded I think we get to choose a president. Someone suggested an Italian, you're suggesting American? Or Irish? . I suggest someone from the UK, I did think there might be an option to share a president with another country but I think you have to pick your own.

What?

Edward Hopper

Fratton Fred wrote: »

What?

You've suggested some choices for president, presumably not from out of your arsehole but rather from real life?

Ush1

Fratton Fred wrote: »

And end having to choose between an ex terrorist, a neurotic minor celebrity, a paedophile apologist and a dodgy businessman to take their place?

Nah, you're ok thanks.

You could always run yourself you know? Show some good British initiative.

youreadthat

Monarchy is clearly backwards.....but so's religion so Ireland can't throw too many stones considering it's a lot more religious.

Fratton Fred

Ush1 wrote: »

You could always run yourself you know? Show some good British initiative.

I'm happy with the way it is, thanks for your nomination though.

Radiosonde

youreadthat wrote: »

Monarchy is clearly backwards.....but so's religion so Ireland can't throw too many stones considering it's a lot more religious.

Actually, in this matter Ireland is the secular state, as the British monarch is also Supreme Governor of the Church of England.

RayM

I bought her a nice little gift.

DEFTLEFTHAND

Looks quite well for her age. Poor Prince Charles must be wondering will he ever get a go, he's close to 70 years old at this stage.

Radiosonde

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

Looks quite well for her age. Poor Prince Charles must be wondering will he ever get a go, he's close to 70 years old at this stage.

Monarchists are lucky that Charles' reign will probably be short. A young King Charles would have been a constitutional crisis waiting to happen.

Dirty Dingus McGee

Yamanoto wrote: »

Dirty Dingus McGee wrote: »

Who exactly is "The Queen" there are numrous Queens around the world so can thread titles please be more specific in future.

This old chestnut's such a ridiculous argument.

Forget the Queen for a second - if someone mentions Prince Philip, 99% of people in Ireland will assume it's the doddery & mildly racist old Greek being discussed, not the baldy Monaco playboy. This is simply because, like it or not, the British royal family continue to inhabit our cultural consciousness to a far greater degree than Swedish, Dutch or Spanish monarchs.

The 'Which Queen' guff is just symptomatic of a particular type of republican mindset, that trawls around salivating at any opportunity to take offense.

Add your reply here.

She's not my queen so for all I know you could have been talking about any queen across the world.

Assuming that everyone knows which queen you are talking about is really symptomatic of particular type of west brit mindset that trawls around any oppurtunity to tug the forelock for the british monarch.

mikeym

Happy Birthday Queen.

Iwasfrozen

Dirty Dingus McGee wrote: »

Add your reply here.

She's not my queen so for all I know you could have been talking about any queen across the world.

Assuming that everyone knows which queen you are talking about is really symptomatic of particular type of west brit mindset that trawls around any oppurtunity to tug the forelock for the british monarch.

In that case Google which Queen's birthday it is today and stop wasting everyone's time with stupid questions.

Strazdas

Radiosonde wrote: »

Monarchists are lucky that Charles' reign will probably be short. A young King Charles would have been a constitutional crisis waiting to happen.

I reckon he'd make a good King now though. He seems to have matured a lot and has grown into the role.

Iwasfrozen

Strazdas wrote: »

I reckon he'd make a good King now though. He seems to have matured a lot and has grown into the role.

I'd be surprised if he wasn't tempted to knock her down the stairs at this stage..

I can't see her abdicating either, she's a traditionalist at heart and the throne is for life.

Eugene Norman

youreadthat wrote: »

Monarchy is clearly backwards.....but so's religion so Ireland can't throw too many stones considering it's a lot more religious.

Not in terms of the state.

Alun

Dirty Dingus McGee wrote: »

She's not my queen so for all I know you could have been talking about any queen across the world.

Assuming that everyone knows which queen you are talking about is really symptomatic of particular type of west brit mindset that trawls around any oppurtunity to tug the forelock for the british monarch.

Even the Germans refer to her simply as "Die Queen" ...

http://www.tagesschau.de/ausland/queen-geburtstag-101.html

ceadaoin.

Dirty Dingus McGee wrote: »

Yamanoto wrote: »

Dirty Dingus McGee wrote: »

Who exactly is "The Queen" there are numrous Queens around the world so can thread titles please be more specific in future.

This old chestnut's such a ridiculous argument.

Forget the Queen for a second - if someone mentions Prince Philip, 99% of people in Ireland will assume it's the doddery & mildly racist old Greek being discussed, not the baldy Monaco playboy. This is simply because, like it or not, the British royal family continue to inhabit our cultural consciousness to a far greater degree than Swedish, Dutch or Spanish monarchs.

The 'Which Queen' guff is just symptomatic of a particular type of republican mindset, that trawls around salivating at any opportunity to take offense.

Add your reply here.

She's not my queen so for all I know you could have been talking about any queen across the world.

Assuming that everyone knows which queen you are talking about is really symptomatic of particular type of west brit mindset that trawls around any oppurtunity to tug the forelock for the british monarch.

Ah come on, she is referred to as "the" queen all around the world. If I said that in america, Australia or Canada for example, they would know who I was referring to.

Niemoj

Wonder when she'll croak.

LordSutch

Niemoj wrote: »

Wonder when she'll croak.

Well the Queen Mother lived till she was 102 . . . .

I guess its in the genes.
Prince Philip is doing remarkably well too @94 years of age.

Eugene Norman

This thread should be closed now that her son has died.

DanielODonnell

A woman who viewed my parents and grandparents as 2nd class citizens, I have no respect for her and I shouldn't be viewed as a bigot for having such views.

Iwasfrozen

DanielODonnell wrote: »

A woman who viewed my parents and grandparents as 2nd class citizens, I have no respect for her and I shouldn't be viewed as a bigot for having such views.

Oh? Please explain.

ToddyDoody

She shouldn't be the head of a religion too though imo. (Create a separate position)

Dirty Dingus McGee

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

In that case Google which Queen's birthday it is today and stop wasting everyone's time with stupid questions.

I couldn't be bothered.

Iwasfrozen

Dirty Dingus McGee wrote: »

I couldn't be bothered.

Yet you can be bothered to ask stupid questions like what Queen? Good man.

Dick phelan

Nothing specifically against the British Queen but the entire institution is nonsense imo, Any Monarchy that is, the idea someone should rule over you because of some birth right is so outdated, it doesn't really annoy me but if i was British i'd be pissed off paying for her and her extended family to live a life of extreme luxury for no reason. What's ironic is often the most ardent lovers of the monarchy in Britain will be the same people giving out about "benefit cheats" ect, There are no bigger scroungers in the world then the British Royal family, The Queen may do plenty of engagements but what about William and Kate they appear to do almost nothing, even worse is the extended family like Andrew and his daughters, why are they allowed contribute zero and live in such opulence at the taxpayers expense? The entire thing is outdated and represents a lot of the old archaic ideas of empire, class, military ect. Anywhere that has an unelected head of state like Britain isn't a true democracy imo.

Dirty Dingus McGee

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

Yet you can be bothered to ask stupid questions like what Queen? Good man.

Perfectly reasonable question to ask seeing as we don't have a Queen in this country and there are many queens across the world.

It could have been Queen Margery the thread was referring to for all I know.

Iwasfrozen

Dirty Dingus McGee wrote: »

Perfectly reasonable question to ask seeing as we don't have a Queen in this country and there are many queens across the world.

It could have been Queen Margery the thread was referring to for all I know.

Now you're making me repeat myself. If you don't know who we're writing about then look up what Queen's birthday is today and stop wasting people's time with stupid questions.

Fratton Fred

Dick phelan wrote: »

Anywhere that has an unelected head of state like Britain isn't a true democracy imo.

Maybe that's why the British take more care with the democracy they di have, rather than re-electing corrupt politicians, or voting for someone based on which side of a civil war their father fought on.

LordSutch

Dirty Dingus McGee wrote: »

It could have been Queen Margery the thread was referring to for all I know.

Poppycock.

Dirty Dingus McGee

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

Now you're making me repeat myself. If you don't know who we're writing about then look up what Queen's birthday is today and stop wasting people's time with stupid questions.

Nobody is making you repeat yourself apart from yourself.

karma_

Fratton Fred wrote: »

Maybe that's why the British take more care with the democracy they di have, rather than re-electing corrupt politicians, or voting for someone based on which side of a civil war their father fought on.

Them British politicians must be squeaky clean eh?

Dirty Dingus McGee

Fratton Fred wrote: »

Maybe that's why the British take more care with the democracy they di have, rather than re-electing corrupt politicians, or voting for someone based on which side of a civil war their father fought on.

Yeah that doesn't really happen anymore seeing as the fathers of a lot of people voting now wouldn't have fought in the Civil war.

steddyeddy

Permabear wrote: »

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Jesus dude you're apparently a libertarian. That's twice I heard you talk about remarkably unlibertarian values.