Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours 2016, Mod Warning in OP, 10/7

monkey9

Grueller wrote: »

Lads, based on this tournament I see bids incoming for Joe Allen. Possibly from Arsenal as I think sitting deep for them with whats ahead he could be good there.
Given that he has been a bit part player for pool, sell or keep? Genuine question.

No i wouldn't sell. He's been superb since Klopp took over. The only thing is he's probably looking to leave due to wanting more regular starts.

martyos121

Skrtel's down injured. Might be hard to get rid of him now if he can't pass a medical.

ShamoBuc

We should ask for more for Skrtel after tonight's performance.

Pyjamarama

If he's injured himself out of his move...

Grueller

monkey9 wrote: »

No i wouldn't sell. He's been superb since Klopp took over. The only thing is he's probably looking to leave due to wanting more regular starts.

I would agree with you on that he will definitely want assurances about game time if he is not to be unsettled.

SuperTortoise

Why is Skrtel and co playing for a draw?

martyos121

SuperTortoise wrote: »

Why is Skrtel and co playing for a draw?

4 points will get any team through.

NapoleonInRags

Hendo had a fine game tonight, looks back to normal fitness levels.

SuperTortoise

Did'nt realise there were four 3rd place teams going through, thought it was just 2.

SuperTortoise

Harry Palmr wrote: »

How many midfielders can be accommodated is the issue that Klopp needs to deal with. He could well sell Lucas but that would leave

Hendo
Can
Allen
Zeilinski (assuming he is bought as expected)
Milner
Grujic

for the central positions which next season is a lot.

It would'nt surprise me at all to see Allen and Hendo sold this summer, i think we'll hang on to Lucas as the utility man at the back.

I'd be disappointed to see any of those three leave especially Allen as he's been very good this year but i'm fully onboard the Klopp train, so whatever he thinks best i'll buy into it.

J Mysterio

Harry Palmr wrote: »

How many midfielders can be accommodated is the issue that Klopp needs to deal with. He could well sell Lucas but that would leave

Hendo
Can
Allen
Zeilinski (assuming he is bought as expected)
Milner
Grujic

for the central positions which next season is a lot.

Its really not a lot. Grujic and Zielinski are essentially kids and wont be walking into the team. That really leaves Can, Allen, Lucas and Hendo. Milner shouldnt be playing CM.

J Mysterio

SuperTortoise wrote: »

It would'nt surprise me at all to see Allen and Hendo sold this summer, i think we'll hang on to Lucas as the utility man at the back.

I'd be disappointed to see any of those three leave especially Allen as he's been very good this year but i'm fully onboard the Klopp train, so whatever he thinks best i'll buy into it.

He wont be selling Henderson or Allen.

Talisman

corwill wrote: »

Dirty isn't the same as hard, though. But consistent dirtiness and cynicism requires a degree of thought and cunning, which is where the charge of dirtiness against our Marty breaks down.

I wasn't suggesting that he's a Andoni Goikoetxea wannabe.

Persistent fouls and "old school" physical defending are a natural part of Skrtel's game. I was happy to have him at Liverpool but as he ages, his reliance upon the physical aspect of the game is an increasing liability. Unlike masters of the persistent fouling such as Ricardo Carvalho, Skrtel doesn't have the intelligence to adapt his game as he ages. The likes of the elbows and stupid tackles are a growing part of his game.

Talisman

Harry Palmr wrote: »

How many midfielders can be accommodated is the issue that Klopp needs to deal with. He could well sell Lucas but that would leave

Hendo
Can
Allen
Zeilinski (assuming he is bought as expected)
Milner
Grujic

for the central positions which next season is a lot.

Milner's days in central midfield should be well and truly over. I think he could do well in the "Lallana" role and might actually score when through on goal.

J Mysterio

Milner goes LW or RW for me. Less positional responsibility there so he can dart around and press but will also get back to help his full back.

corwill

Talisman wrote: »

I wasn't suggesting that he's a Andoni Goikoetxea wannabe.

Persistent fouls and "old school" physical defending are a natural part of Skrtel's game. I was happy to have him at Liverpool but as he ages, his reliance upon the physical aspect of the game is an increasing liability. Unlike masters of the persistent fouling such as Ricardo Carvalho, Skrtel doesn't have the intelligence to adapt his game as he ages. The likes of the elbows and stupid tackles are a growing part of his game.

Maybe I expressed myself poorly, because I agree with you. The shirt dragging and other mayhem that have become typical in his game the last couple of years seem to me to be born more of desperation than malice. I guess he's still dirty, just not nasty, if you know what I mean?

Talisman

SuperTortoise wrote: »

Did'nt realise there were four 3rd place teams going through, thought it was just 2.

After the results tonight, Wales will be playing one of them so they could go further in the tournament than England!

Talisman

J Mysterio wrote: »

Milner goes LW or RW for me. Less positional responsibility there so he can dart around and press but will also get back to help his full back.

Yes he could do a job out wide as we have seen this season but for me he lacks the pace to be a real attacking threat on the right.

If we don't sign a pacey wide player, I wouldn't be surprised to see Moreno pushed forward on the left, with a proper full back is signed for his position. Hector has looked like a left sided Clyne while playing for Germany, he's defensively solid but not really an attacking outlet.

BullBlackNova

Talisman wrote: »

After the results tonight, Wales will be playing one of them so they could go further in the tournament than England!

England play whoever finishes second in Group F. Even though they've laboured through the group I would expect them to beat Hungary, Iceland or Portugal (they've been absolute dross so far, but they always turn it on against England so maybe not!).

I would reckon both England and Wales reach the quarters where they could play France and Belgium, respectively. That's where it gets tricky!

Talisman

corwill wrote: »

Maybe I expressed myself poorly, because I agree with you. The shirt dragging and other mayhem that have become typical in his game the last couple of years seem to me to be born more of desperation than malice. I guess he's still dirty, just not nasty, if you know what I mean?

If you look back at the central defenders we've had at the club for the past 15 years, the closest player to Martin Skrtel in terms of being a physical defender was Stephane Henchoz. Benitez shipped him out of the club at the same stage of his career. Playing in a slower league is the best way for Skrtel to prolong his career at the top level so a move to Serie A would suit him.

Talisman

BullBlackNova wrote: »

I would reckon both England and Wales reach the quarters where they could play France and Belgium, respectively. That's where it gets tricky!

I was told by a Welsh neighbour at the weekend that their record against Belgium is:

P 13 W 5 D 3 L 5

mikeym

Eamonn Dunphy reckons Joe Allen had improved under Klopp.

Fair play to Wales.

Washington Irving

mikeym wrote: »

Eamonn Dunphy reckons Joe Allen had improved under Klopp.

Fair play to Wales.

Klopp has improved under Joe Allen.

mosstin

Talisman wrote: »

I was told by a Welsh neighbour at the weekend that their record against Belgium is:

P 13 W 5 D 3 L 5

Nope. That's actually the name of a village 15 miles to the NW of Swansea.

mosstin

mikeym wrote: »

Eamonn Dunphy reckons Joe Allen had improved under Klopp.

Fair play to Wales.

Stopped reading after that.

Talisman

mosstin wrote: »

Nope. That's actually the name of a village 15 miles to the NW of Swansea.

J Mysterio

Talisman wrote: »

Yes he could do a job out wide as we have seen this season but for me he lacks the pace to be a real attacking threat on the right.

If we don't sign a pacey wide player, I wouldn't be surprised to see Moreno pushed forward on the left, with a proper full back is signed for his position. Hector has looked like a left sided Clyne while playing for Germany, he's defensively solid but not really an attacking outlet.

He's fast enough and he never stops. He's like the Milnerator.

J Mysterio

Still waiting to see what befalls ol' Markovic. We already signed one Serbian for him, maybe we have to getin Kovacic too.

Harry Palmr

Kovacic isn't joining, the club have let it be known that's typical Italian BS media link

NukaCola

I dont have specific stats to back this up, and I might get laughed at but I think Markovic may do well under Klopp.....at the very least I'd like him to get a proper chance here, if only to prove he was never anything special.

Agent Coulson

Andros Townsend!!!!!

Talisman

NukaCola wrote: »

I dont have specific stats to back this up, and I might get laughed at but I think Markovic may do well under Klopp.....at the very least I'd like him to get a proper chance here, if only to prove he was never anything special.

The thing that can hold Markovic back is his inability to deal with the physicality of the Premier League, if he can toughen up then he should succeed at the club.

In an interview, Grujic said that Markovic had told him that he needs to prepare for the physicality of the league, so he is obviously aware of the need to toughen up. Grujic is a giant - he's taller than Klopp, when he adapts himself and Can should bring the much needed physicality to the side. Those two along with Matip should ensure that our pygmy side shouldn't be so easily dominated in the air.

corwill

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Andros Townsend!!!!!

What earthly use could he be put to. He makes Ibe look like Bergkamp. Dropping his shoulder and bombing to his left is pretty much his only trick. If you started him on the left, he might actually cut out into the crowd over the advertising every time you play the ball to him.

~Rebel~

Talisman wrote: »

The thing that can hold Markovic back is his inability to deal with the physicality of the Premier League, if he can toughen up then he should succeed at the club.

In an interview, Grujic said that Markovic had told him that he needs to prepare for the physicality of the league, so he is obviously aware of the need to toughen up. Grujic is a giant - he's taller than Klopp, when he adapts himself and Can should bring the much needed physicality to the side. Those two along with Matip should ensure that our pygmy side shouldn't be so easily dominated in the air.

I believe it was Matip that Klopp was saying is bigger than him, Grujic is a smidge smaller (though still massive obviously). It would be great if we could get that midfield power we've lacked for so long alright. Not since "the best midfield in the world" have our midfielders really physically bossed games.

Markovic this season already looks a lot broader than he did last season. It's important to remember with him that he was only 20 the bulk of the time he was with us...even just naturally he'd get a lot broader and stronger than he was then.

A decent weights program to go along with his natural development over the summer and i'd be a lot more confident about him handling premier league defenders this time.

Agent Coulson

corwill wrote: »

What earthly use could he be put to. He makes Ibe look like Bergkamp. Dropping his shoulder and bombing to his left is pretty much his only trick. If you started him on the left, he might actually cut out into the crowd over the advertising every time you play the ball to him.

Well both us and City are linked to him tonight.

So if there is any truth to it both Klopp and Pep think he more than a shoulder droper.

He wouldn't be my first choice.

Talisman

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Well both us and City are linked to him tonight.

So if there is any truth to it both Klopp and Pep think he more than a shoulder droper.

He wouldn't be my first choice.

He'd be a cheap option. It was reported that his contract had a £10.5M release fee clause in the event of Newcastle being relegated.

His strike rate at Newcastle was 1 in 3, which puts him in Troy Deeney territory when extrapolated over a season!

Only having to pay £11M for a £25-30M asset - What's not to like about the deal? It really would be a coup to sign him from under the noses of Man City.

marno21

Was Stewart Downing not enough of a lesson on one trick pony wingers?

May as well sign Aiden McGeady while we're at it

~Rebel~

Talisman wrote: »

He'd be a cheap option. It was reported that his contract had a £10.5M release fee clause in the event of Newcastle being relegated.

His strike rate at Newcastle was 1 in 3, which puts him in Troy Deeney territory when extrapolated over a season!

Only having to pay £11M for a £25-30M asset - What's not to like about the deal? It really would be a coup to sign him from under the noses of Man City.

No interest in him to be honest. He's decent under circumstances which we rarely find ourselves in - with a whole pitch to run into on the break. He's one of those guys that's useful to have in your side, but we have a huge collection of those kinds of players already. if we're bringing in a wingforward type, bring in a bloody good one.

corwill

Whatever about Townsend signing for us, I just can't see him interesting Pep. Agent talk, for me, Clive.

Vicxas

I think that selling Allen this window would be a huge mistake and could come back to bite us in the ass.

He's come in leaps and bounds under Klopp, moreso than anyone else I think.

eagle eye

Talisman wrote: »

The thing that can hold Markovic back is his inability to deal with the physicality of the Premier League, if he can toughen up then he should succeed at the club.

In an interview, Grujic said that Markovic had told him that he needs to prepare for the physicality of the league, so he is obviously aware of the need to toughen up. Grujic is a giant - he's taller than Klopp, when he adapts himself and Can should bring the much needed physicality to the side. Those two along with Matip should ensure that our pygmy side shouldn't be so easily dominated in the air.

This physicality thing is way overblown by people who want to sound like they know a bit.

Eden Hazard, David Silva and Riyad Mahrez would be three three very successful attacking midfielders in recent times and none of them would be that strong physically.

Nerdlingr

Vicxas wrote: »

I think that selling Allen this window would be a huge mistake and could come back to bite us in the ass.

He's come in leaps and bounds under Klopp, moreso than anyone else I think.

Been excellent in the euro's too.

Harry Palmr

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Andros Townsend!!!!!

Is not joining Liverpool. I'd place the worlds biggest steak on that.

Milkers

Don't sell Allen, start him!

rob316

Andros Townsend? Rodgers still on the committee or something?
That would be a truly awful signing, we already have Ibe filling in the headless chicken role.

Boom_Bap

Townsend had a fine end to the season for Newcastle, he was moving the ball forward when he got it and causing hassle for the opposing defence.
He's not afraid to run at and try get past someone, something that most 'wingers' are afraid to do these days.

But I wouldn't want him here.


In relation to Henderson last night, he looked much more fit, but still has this problem of overhitting which I've noticed since he first came back from the injury.

Agent Coulson

Today on Twitter is #JoeAllenAppreciationDay it seems

corwill

Boom_Bap wrote: »

Townsend had a fine end to the season for Newcastle, he was moving the ball forward when he got it and causing hassle for the opposing defence.
He's not afraid to run at and try get past someone, something that most 'wingers' are afraid to do these days.

But I wouldn't want him here.


In relation to Henderson last night, he looked much more fit, but still has this problem of overhitting which I've noticed since he first came back from the injury.

He causes hassle to the opposition, in much the same way as beans cause my hoop hassle, momentarily unpleasant but imminently survivable.

We need players who cause goals, whether for themselves or their teammates, something he has a rotten record of doing, bar a short spell last season for the Mags.

D'Agger

Townsend will be an English Markovic for us imo

Will be interesting to see how he fares under Klopp if we don't sell him

ricero

James pierce today said klopp is keen on mane and is willing to bid 30 million pounds for him