Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours 2016, Mod Warning in OP, 10/7

Nift

Looking like another joke of a season. 12 million for Andy Robertson? Seriously...Robbie Brady would be a better bet.

Hollister11

Nift wrote: »

Looking like another joke of a season. 12 million for Andy Robertson? Seriously...Robbie Brady would be a better bet.

I'd love Cresswell from West Ham. Such a good player.

Not a hope of us signing him anyhow. He has just signed a new 5 year deal, and we won't pay, what West Ham would wan't.

LiamoSail

Whatever about transfer fees, wages are effectively down too for players from outside the UK. As a place to live, the UK has also become considerably less attractive

gafferino

Hollister11 wrote: »

Lovern - Back to his best
Lallana - Starter for sure
Clyne - England's best left back

Lambert - Didn't work out


What's your issue ?

If anything the recent signings NOT from southampton have been our downfall.
Balotelli, Markovic, Moreno....

Lallana is not good enough. He's a good player with a nice touch but with little end product. Ask yourself is he good enough to get us to champions league? I don't think he is. Would he get into the starting lineup of any of the other CL chasing teams? I don't think so.

The very fact that he is a 'starter for sure' is a problem throughout the squad. We need higher quality players in lots of positions.

Hollister11

gafferino wrote: »

Lallana is not good enough. He's a good player with a nice touch but with little end product. Ask yourself is he good enough to get us to champions league? I don't think he is. Would he get into the starting lineup of any of the other CL chasing teams? I don't think so.

The very fact that he is a 'starter for sure' is a problem throughout the squad. We need higher quality players in lots of positions.

He wouldn't get into the Real Madrid, or barcelona type teams.

But Tottenham, Arsenal, United, Dortmund, Atletico. Definitely get into them teams. He is only going to prosper under Jurgen. If he improves his finishing, we could have a 10 - 15 goal a season midfield with him.

gafferino

Hollister11 wrote: »

He wouldn't get into the Real Madrid, or barcelona type teams.

But Tottenham, Arsenal, United, Dortmund, Atletico. Definitely get into them teams. He is only going to prosper under Jurgen. If he improves his finishing, we could have a 10 - 15 goal a season midfield with him.

I only meant the English teams and I don't think he would start in any of them.

If he improves his finishing then of course.... But I am judging him on the last few seasons. He is a nice player outside the box and full of running but he is not direct enough and doesn't score enough.

Do you think the other big teams fear Lallana? If we want CL then I think he is just below that and he ain't young either. I like him but I don't think it likely he will start banging in 10-15 a season as you say.

Ben Gadot

This is probably the first summer that I haven't looked forward to the return of the Pool and PL. Leicester just knocked the wind out of me last season, and made me realise just how ****ing stupid it is to get worked up about football.

Brutal state of affairs.

Pyjamarama

If Adam Lallana was able to finish he'd be a 60m player. Every player we buy will have flaws. Its up to the club to coach and develop the players. Lallana has improved a TON under Klopp already and i don't see why he can't continue to improve. I think he'll have a big role to play this season.

Mane similarly has a big flaw, consistency, but when he's on he's basically Bale/Ronaldo lite. He's only that for 10-15 games a season atm but its up to us to make him that for 25-30 games.

Agent Coulson

With the UK no longer part of the EU how will that effect bringing players in from the EU now that haven't enough games to get a work permit.

Will European players now seen be seen the same way as South American players?

Harry Palmr

Yes but none of that will come into effect for a few years yet. Article 50 hasn't even been invoked.

5starpool

Agent Coulson wrote: »

With the UK no longer part of the EU how will that effect bringing players in from the EU now that haven't enough games to get a work permit.

Will European players now seen be seen the same way as South American players?

All remains to be seen on what deal is negotiated with the EU in terms of free movement, etc.

Muahahaha

gafferino wrote: »

Lallana is not good enough. He's a good player with a nice touch but with little end product. Ask yourself is he good enough to get us to champions league? I don't think he is. Would he get into the starting lineup of any of the other CL chasing teams? I don't think so.

The very fact that he is a 'starter for sure' is a problem throughout the squad. We need higher quality players in lots of positions.

I agree with this. I think Lovren & Clyne both still have space to improve but get the feeling that Lallana has hit his peak with us and its just not good enough. I wouldn't have any problems with him being sold because I just can't see him becoming a player who changes games.

That said his biggest flaw is his finishing. He does tend to get into good positions so thats something but when he does he can't seem to hit the target with any consistency. When he does hit the target its usually down the throat of the keeper;he's even done this several times for England in their group games.

Hopefully Klopp can coach this out of him as its a serious flaw to his game right now imo. But if it continues on into this season you're gonna see Firminho and Countinho roll their eyes quite a bit as Lallana drills yet another shot off target.

daithijjj

Turtyturd wrote: »

Anyone else want a list of the 100 games he was sh!te for, and his ratings?

Struggling to find a single game he influenced? while all i have a full fixture list he was involved in!

daithijjj

corwill wrote: »

Given he's had a total of 90 league appearances for us, I'd be intrigued to see it.

Well over 100 in the shirt, he only showed up 8/9 months ago. Wasnt good enough to be picked for more in the league is a position.

whatawaster

daithijjj wrote: »

Struggling to find a single game he influenced? while all i have a full fixture list he was involved in!

Off the top of my tired head, his debut v Man City, Man City at home last season, and quite a few games during our title challenge.

Buford T. Justice XIX

Looks like Mane is coming after Redmond transfer to Southampton nears completion.

mav79

For me Lallana falls into the bracket of players with the likes of Barmby and Kewell. Good players but probably easily forgettable in the future. Squad players are important and there are a good few players to be replaced before him but if I heard he was sold in the morning I wouldn't be the slightest bit pissed off. Tbh there's probably only a few in the whole squad I'd be pissed off at being sold.

Kerrigooney

https://twitter.com/MarksOutOf100/status/746296495457050624

niallo27

Watching the drafts in the states. Wouldn't itit be great if we had this kind of ****

J Mysterio

niallo27 wrote: »

Watching the drafts in the states. Wouldn't itit be great if we had this kind of ****

Not really.

Bowlardo

Adam lallana has no pace. Poor finisher. Poor goals return. Poor assist return. Loses the ball consistently. Fluff goal chance passes consistently. Looses the ball on the edge of box consistently. Currently or formation is 4231 and will probably remain so. Don't expect to win anything if he is a member of the "3"

gordongekko

Bowlardo wrote: »

insert random name here has no pace. Poor finisher. Poor goals return. Poor assist return. Loses the ball consistently. Fluff goal chance passes consistently. Looses the ball on the edge of box consistently. Currently or formation is 4231 and will probably remain so. Don't expect to win anything if he is a member of the "3"

Fyp

Mr.H

niallo27 wrote: »

Watching the drafts in the states. Wouldn't itit be great if we had this kind of ****

I think it is actually something the LOI should look at to be honest. Clubs as a single entity cant afford to invest but maybe if the FAI got a bit of investment as a whole maybe we could attract some players of a decent level to come and play as "legacy players"/designated players or whatever you want to call them.

I'm not saying we will attract players that are looking at India/Dubai/China/MLS and so on but maybe we could attract players such as

Nigel Reo-Coker
Steven Kelly
Richard Dunne
Steven Taylor

Even try the likes of
Mahamadou Diarra
Philippe Senderos
Nikola Žigić
Djibril Cissé
Ronaldinho

None of these players are been looked at by the money leagues so why not the LOI where a "draft system" would be very beneficial.

But a draft in the Premier league would be nuts

Riesen_Meal

Kerrigooney wrote: »

https://twitter.com/MarksOutOf100/status/746296495457050624

Scouse, not English....

They will be looking for independence next....

Kerrigooney

I have no idea what a draft is.

Ignorance is bliss.

corwill

Fieldog wrote: »

Scouse, not English....

They will be looking for independence next....

Liverpool returned T. P. O'Connor to the Commons at five general elections from 1918 to 1929 as an Irish Nationalist Party candidate. Only 124 miles from Dublin...

Hollister11

Redmond going to Southampton, as Mane's replacement. 11M.

Watch them sell him for 30 in two years time.

corwill

Kerrigooney wrote: »

I have no idea what a draft is.

Ignorance is bliss.

Don't sit in it, you'll catch your death.

Riesen_Meal

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/jun/24/pep-guardiola-raheem-sterling-england-confidence

Jaysus, you would nearly feel sorry for him.....





Nearly...

Osmosis Jones

Hollister11 wrote: »

Redmond going to Southampton, as Mane's replacement. 11M.

Watch them sell him for 30 in two years time.

To us.

Hollister11

Osmosis Jones wrote: »

To us.

I would of signed him a couple of years ago when he left Birmingham. In fact I would of signed Butland to.

They were both cracking young English players back in the Birmingham team.

The two were sold for a combined 6M, because of the clubs financial issues.
Today Redmond's going for 11, and Stoke want 20 for Butland.

corwill

Fieldog wrote: »

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/jun/24/pep-guardiola-raheem-sterling-england-confidence

Jaysus, you would nearly feel sorry for him.....




Nearly...

Ambulatory manure pile A*dy W*rd and the entourage are clearly too busy counting the money they've siphoned out of his soul to cheer him up.

Riesen_Meal

corwill wrote: »

Ambulatory manure pile A*dy W*rd and the entourage are clearly too busy counting the money they've siphoned out of his soul to cheer him up.

I would say it's coke and hookers at that c*nts house since...

I don't know do I believe Pep apparently "sanctioned that transfer" as Bayern manager... (from the article)

Was he due to come to the PL for that long?

Turtyturd

Someone on here used to mention Milik a lot as a player we should go for, seems to need a lot of chances before actually scoring.

BullBlackNova

Mr.H wrote: »

I think it is actually something the LOI should look at to be honest. Clubs as a single entity cant afford to invest but maybe if the FAI got a bit of investment as a whole maybe we could attract some players of a decent level to come and play as "legacy players"/designated players or whatever you want to call them.

I'm not saying we will attract players that are looking at India/Dubai/China/MLS and so on but maybe we could attract players such as

Nigel Reo-Coker
Steven Kelly
Richard Dunne
Steven Taylor

Even try the likes of
Mahamadou Diarra
Philippe Senderos
Nikola Žigić
Djibril Cissé
Ronaldinho

None of these players are been looked at by the money leagues so why not the LOI where a "draft system" would be very beneficial.

But a draft in the Premier league would be nuts

I've argued the merits of a designated player system in the LOI before - I won't go too far into it here as it isn't the correct thread but I think it'd be worth a shot.

MLS has improved because of it. It would take time before any benefits are seen and it would involve a big investment by the League itself, but gamble and try to get more fans interested in the league. Could work.

Players would essentially be contracted to the league to prevent one side dominating the rule - limit the number that each team can have and spread the wealth a little - but if the money was there, why couldn't LOI attract Robbie Keane, Kevin Doyle, Sean St Ledger, Darren O'Dea or maybe even the likes of Kris Boyd and the Wright-Phillips brothers like MLS has? Naturally, the list you have there is a bit more practical but you get my drift!

Harry Palmr

Turtyturd wrote: »

Someone on here used to mention Milik a lot as a player we should go for, seems to need a lot of chances before actually scoring.

Yep another striker that can look good at Dutch league level, Błaszczykowski is the one we should be after!

Hollister11

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Yep another striker that can look good at Dutch league level, Błaszczykowski is the one we should be after!

Didn't Suarez also look good at dutch league level ???

Harry Palmr

Yes as did Kezman

Knex*

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Yep another striker that can look good at Dutch league level, Błaszczykowski is the one we should be after!

He's only 22 though. Improving each year as well. Not saying that he is at our level, but wouldn't rule out him being a good striker at all yet.

8-10

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Yes as did Kezman

Milik is a much better than Kezman. He'd be excellent in the EPL

BullBlackNova

I'm not familiar with Milik from his club level - heard of him, don't watch Dutch football - but I'm always wary of judging anyone by their tournament form.
Looking at this Polish side, Milik looks better than Lewandowski but Błaszczykowski (CTRL+C, CTRL+V) is the star. But having been aware of their club form over the years, there's a clear winner in terms of who the standout player is in the side.
The Dutch league gets a particularly bad rap too. For every Suarez and van Nistelrooy, there's a Kezman and an Alves, but that's the case with almost every league.
Ffs, look at the goal return if Iago Aspas in Spain - it doesn't make us say "oh but sure Aspas looked good in Spain, didn't he?"
The same goes for literally every league in Europe.

Harry Palmr

Nobody was saying we must sign Aspas to be fair!

Hollister11

I'd love Milik. I have signed him plenty of times in FM.

Another player we could look at is Diego Rolan from Bordeaux. In ligue1 last season he scored 7, assisted 5 in 22 games. The season before 36 Games, 15 Goals and 3 assists.

Not the most clinical, but he is 23, and seems like the type of player klopp could mould into a star.

martyos121

Hollister11 wrote: »

I'd love Milik. I have signed him plenty of times in FM.

Another player we could look at is Diego Rolan from Bordeaux. In ligue1 last season he scored 7, assisted 5 in 22 games. The season before 36 Games, 15 Goals and 3 assists.

Not the most clinical, but he is 23, and seems like the type of player klopp could mould into a star.

You see the problem is when you sign players based on FM, you end up like Villa or Newcastle.

Hollister11

martyos121 wrote: »

You see the problem is when you sign players based on FM, you end up like Villa or Newcastle.

They have 1300 full time scouts, and professional football teams, have licensed there database.

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/aug/12/why-clubs-football-manager-scouting-tool

Harry Palmr

martyos121 wrote: »

You see the problem is when you sign players based on FM, you end up like Villa or Newcastle.

Hollister11 wrote: »

They have 1300 full time scouts, and professional football teams, have licensed there database.

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/aug/12/why-clubs-football-manager-scouting-tool

Yes Villa and Newcastle!

Liverpool have no truck with this sort of thing, preferring a beer in front of MOTD

martyos121

Hollister11 wrote: »

They have 1300 full time scouts, and professional football teams, have licensed there database.

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/aug/12/why-clubs-football-manager-scouting-tool

Doesn't mean it works though. Any article about this sort of thing that uses a picture of Solksjaer as a manager, is a clear sign of failure.

Hollister11

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Yes Villa and Newcastle!

Liverpool have no truck with this sort of thing, preferring a beer in front of MOTD

Everton have been using it for 8 years, link here

martyos121

Hollister11 wrote: »

Everton have been using it for 8 years, link here

How many top four finishes for Everton in the few years preceding that? I believe there was one at our expense.

And how many after?

At the end of the day, it's a computer game and it should be treated as such. I'm not saying it doesn't have its merits for scouting, but nearly every club gets by fine without it.

smileyj1987

Hollister11 wrote: »

Everton have been using it for 8 years, link here

I would use it as a tool but not the be all and end all for transfers !