Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours 2016, Mod Warning in OP, 10/7

Kerrigooney

Lets start the day off with a laugh...

Balotelli: "I have underperformed due to injuries and other reasons. But I want to improve and get to Ballon d Or levels."

TitianGerm

Kerrigooney wrote: »

Lets start the day off with a laugh...

Is he licking toads or something

Turtyturd

Kerrigooney wrote: »

Lets start the day off with a laugh...

4 years ago he had that good game.


Never forget.

corwill

There's been a lot of discussion over the last week or so, here and elsewhere, about transfer fees, sparked by the Mane deal, and now Benteke's seemingly inevitable departure.

I saw this morning on one of the gossip urinal columns, BBC quoting the Mirror, that Fulham want £15m from Wednesday for Ross feckin' McCormack.

Hard to know how to frame a sensible discussion about transfer fees in a world that makes that little sense.

corwill

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Hat trick is nailed on I'd imagine.

I still feel queasy thinking about what he did to Squirtel and Dagger back in December 2012.

MD1990

daithijjj wrote: »

Allen is ok to have in certain types of games. Unfortunately he is next to useless in physical games, which the EPL is flush with. A starting Allen every week results in us finishing 6th/7th/8th tops imho.

Never be a better time to sell. Could easily be replaced and id be amazed/disappointed if Klopp didnt have a handfull of players in mind to come in. I also include Lucas in the out bracket. Sentiment reveals bad decisions more often than good ones. We have too many 'squad' players who get more starts than they should. That's why we have no European football in the coming season. Im expecting some ruthlessness over next couple of windows in terms of exits.

You would probably prefer Fellaini in midfield then. Look at Kante the best DM last season in the PL Verrati,Iniesta,Cazorla,Xavi,Thiago & Modric many of the best CM's are small & most likely useless in these fantasy physical games you speak of.

Charlie19

I'd only play Allen in games that would be expected to be tight, the likes of top six and away fixtures.

I still wouldn't rely on him to be adding any goals to the team, Imo a midfielder should be getting at least 4 or 5 goals a season. Allen will never produce those sort of figures.

Maybe it is a good time to cash in on him.

Gbear

Kerrigooney wrote: »

Lets start the day off with a laugh...

If he can't face up to who he is and what his problems are he clearly isn't going to be even competent, never mind a ****ing ballon d'or winner.

It's frustrating with his talent, but the will and determination required to be a professional athlete are just as rare as the talent.

We only see situations like Balotelli when they've got such blindingly incredible talent that they've been able to spoof their way through their early careers.

Still, if you see how the likes of Ben Arfa can seemingly turn themselves around in a single year, there's always hope.

Just not here.

He should head back to Italy, play for a mid-table team (preferably in the more cosmopolitan parts of the country to avoid racism) and try and sort his **** out.
Nobody would make money from it, but it's just about his only chance at salvaging anything from his career.

No brainer to keep Allen.

What would it cost to replace him these days?

If he can wants to leave well that's a different story.

Central midfield is still very flakey at times so I'd be holding on to any decent players we have

rob316

Lord above £50m for John stones city are going to pay. Mane an absolute bargain at that rate

Gbear

MD1990 wrote: »

You would probably prefer Fellaini in midfield then. Look at Kante the best DM last season in the PL Verrati,Iniesta,Cazorla,Xavi,Thiago & Modric many of the best CM's are small & most likely useless in these fantasy physical games you speak of.

Unfortunately for Allen, he makes demands on others around him to contribute to the game in ways none of those you've mentioned do - they're all creative players with some combination of much better passing, dribbling, vision, short and long range finishing or tackling.

The thing about Allen is that he's a continental style footballer in a land of oafs.

There's nothing particularly remarkable about his skill if you compare his to players from nations where they value more than being big and fast.
He'd slot into a Spanish or Italian midfield no problem. He wouldn't get within an ass's roar of their national teams though, because he has the baseline level of skill they'd expect from a top division footballer in those countries and not the attributes on top of that which make them stand out.

International football is about Championship level for 95% of teams, including Wales. In terms of performances, there's a few South American teams and Germany who're in any way comparable in both skill and togetherness to an elite European club side. It's no longer a good barometer of quality.

Allen has been a good player for us, and he's useful to have because he's versatile and you can rely on him to play football. He's good at breaking the press with his movement, calmness and short game. He's tenacious enough to offset some of his lack of physicality.
But there's no goals, no assists, no directness, no pace, no strength.

I'd happily keep him on indefinitely. I've always liked him. Particularly if we had European football, I think he'd be a good asset to the squad. But we don't, he needs to be playing every week at this stage and he very much is several positions down the pecking order.
I don't necessarily think anyone will get the boot this summer - there've been few enough concrete rumours and I doubt Klopp will mind having lots of options while he gets a feel for the new lads, but despite his good showing at the Euros I don't see his long-term future here.

rob316

rob316 wrote: »

Lord above £50m for John stones city are going to pay. Mane an absolute bargain at that rate

That would be hilarious. He was very ordinary last season

rob316

RoboKlopp wrote: »

That would be hilarious. He was very ordinary last season

You'd give him a chance under a manager like koeman who can organise a defence but I have seen nothing so far to suggest he will become the top player we keep hearing about.

MD1990

Gbear wrote: »

Unfortunately for Allen, he makes demands on others around him to contribute to the game in ways none of those you've mentioned do - they're all creative players with some combination of much better passing, dribbling, vision, short and long range finishing or tackling.

The thing about Allen is that he's a continental style footballer in a land of oafs.

There's nothing particularly remarkable about his skill if you compare his to players from nations where they value more than being big and fast.
He'd slot into a Spanish or Italian midfield no problem. He wouldn't get within an ass's roar of their national teams though, because he has the baseline level of skill they'd expect from a top division footballer in those countries and not the attributes on top of that which make them stand out.

International football is about Championship level for 95% of teams, including Wales. In terms of performances, there's a few South American teams and Germany who're in any way comparable in both skill and togetherness to an elite European club side. It's no longer a good barometer of quality.

Allen has been a good player for us, and he's useful to have because he's versatile and you can rely on him to play football. He's good at breaking the press with his movement, calmness and short game. He's tenacious enough to offset some of his lack of physicality.
But there's no goals, no assists, no directness, no pace, no strength.

I'd happily keep him on indefinitely. I've always liked him. Particularly if we had European football, I think he'd be a good asset to the squad. But we don't, he needs to be playing every week at this stage and he very much is several positions down the pecking order.
I don't necessarily think anyone will get the boot this summer - there've been few enough concrete rumours and I doubt Klopp will mind having lots of options while he gets a feel for the new lads, but despite his good showing at the Euros I don't see his long-term future here.

Allen is an all rounder. He doesn't excel in the qualities listed except passing but does them all well. He is also by far our best CM playing in tight spaces.

Also pretty sure he could/would make the Italy squad too but not the first 11. Possibly ahead of Sturaro & Parolo in the squad. Apart from Can with the CM's we have he is not for sure much behind Milner,Henderson or Grujic at all.

He might want to leave for first team football but to let him go for 10m would be too small despite only a year left. Should be looking for 15-20m.

Gbear

MD1990 wrote: »

Allen is an all rounder. He doesn't excel in the qualities listed except passing but does them all well. He is also by far our best CM playing in tight spaces.

Also pretty sure he could/would make the Italy squad too but not the first 11. Possibly ahead of Sturaro & Parolo in the squad. Apart from Can with the CM's we have he is not for sure much behind Milner,Henderson or Grujic at all.

He might want to leave for first team football but to let him go for 10m would be too small despite only a year left. Should be looking for 15-20m.

He is behind Milner and Hendo because they can get 15-20 goals/assists each and presumably Grujic isn't being brought in to play tiddlywinks.
I can see him being ahead of Grujic and Zielinski if he hangs around, but only until they find their feet.

He is an all-rounder, and that's what makes him a great squad option at this level, but his slight edge on the ball isn't enough to make up the ground on Hendo or Milner in pace, strength, fitness, goals, assists and all that.

Hendo suffers from this "jack of all trades, master of none" thing as well, and he doesn't look like he'll ever be absolutely top class, but he does that and gets goals and assists.

You can have too many generic midfield lads. Some of them need defined roles unless the generic ones are generically brilliant, like Gerrard or something.

K-9

Allen would be ahead of Milner for CM definitely for me.

Harry Palmr

Liverpool Allen needs his Liverpool Ramsey!

ricero

Reports from germany today is that dahoud has rejected a contract extension and lfc are to bid 30 million euros for him.

WarZ

Incredible piece of business if Liverpool get him

Agent Coulson

The Sky TV money effect I would guess every club in the world bar China will want a bigger fee from a PL club.

https://twitter.com/neiljonesecho/status/749206948902473729

mosstin

Agent Coulson wrote: »

The Sky TV money effect I would guess every club in the world bar China will want a bigger fee from a PL club.

https://twitter.com/neiljonesecho/status/749206948902473729

Utterly bored with this bullshit deal already.

rob316

Agent Coulson wrote: »

The Sky TV money effect I would guess every club in the world bar China will want a bigger fee from a PL club.

https://twitter.com/neiljonesecho/status/749206948902473729

Its more to do with Udinese wanting to keep the better players in Serie A rather than lose them to the PL.

Harry Palmr

rob316 wrote: »

Its more to do with Udinese wanting to keep the better players in Serie A rather than lose them to the PL.

you'd better explain that.

MD1990

Pozzo family own Watford, Udinese & Granada. I'm sure there priority is Watford with the TV money of the PL. Maybe they are annoyed they had to pay 4m for Sinclair who has nearly no professional experience despite being 20 soon & his contract was expired so want to mess Liverpool around. Udinese & Napoli also have a good relationship as well with many players being transfered between each club.

rob316

Harry Palmr wrote: »

you'd better explain that.

Pozzo or the chairman I think is quoted as saying the same before, also they have a very good relationship between the two clubs.

Harry Palmr

MD1990 wrote: »

Pozzo family own Watford, Udinese & Granada. I'm sure there priority is Watford with the TV money of the PL. Maybe they are annoyed they had to pay 4m for Sinclair who has nearly no professional experience despite being 20 soon & his contract was expired so want to mess Liverpool around. Udinese & Napoli also have a good relationship as well with many players being transfered between each club.

Well they wanted Sinclair, were they expecting to get him for nowt. Oh wait - Italians....!

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Anyway here's some Dahoud news

http://www.express.de/sport/fussball/borussia-moenchengladbach/liverpool-klopft-an-neuer-alarm-bei-borussia-moenchengladbach-24329748

SlickRic

I've thought this for about 18 months, and nothing I've seen has changed my mind since.

Ashley Williams would be an extremely shrewd signing.

mosstin

SlickRic wrote: »

I've thought this for about 18 months, and nothing I've seen has changed my mind since.

Ashley Williams would be an extremely shrewd signing.

Yes, about 18 months ago.

corwill

mosstin wrote: »

Yes, about 18 months ago.

Unfortunately, I agree, he's 32 in August, with 2 more years to run on his contract. Would have been a decent signing for us or half a dozen other clubs in the top half up to the start of last season.

Kirby

marklazarcovic

never heard a peep about this dahoud fella

bur

Seem to recall plenty of disgust whenever we would get linked to Williams, which was every window under Rogers.

Turtyturd

F*ck off Ashley.

Washington Irving

Remember Williams being incredibly dirty every game back when Luis was about.

Gbear

Washington Irving wrote: »

Remember Williams being incredibly dirty every game back when Luis was about.

I remember Luis being incredibly dirty every game back when Luis was about.

It was a good thing.

We're not going to win anything in a fair fight.

NukaCola

Mkhitaryan joining United, a team in the Europa league, probably highlights how unappealing we were as a destination under Rodgers.

Not having a go at Utd/BR obviously, just highlighting how ridiculous people sound when not having CL is used as a huge obstacle when trying to get deals done. The majority of players want to play for the best coachs and best players and obviously money helps a lot......

Pyjamarama

Agent Coulson wrote: »

The Sky TV money effect I would guess every club in the world bar China will want a bigger fee from a PL club.

https://twitter.com/neiljonesecho/status/749206948902473729

Apparently there's a player (Zuniga) in the deal with Napoli and the plan is to then send him on loan to Watford... surely that kind of stuff is against some rule.

Harry Palmr

Dahoud playing in a friendly today, just subbed off having made one and scored one. So that's another couple of million.

amber69

Washington Irving wrote: »

Remember Williams being incredibly dirty every game back when Luis was about.

Didn't he nearly kill someone once or was that a different Swansea player.

Wouldn't worry about signing someone in their 30s if they are good enough.

The team lacks leaders, so evident in the Europa final

martyos121

RoboKlopp wrote: »

Wouldn't worry about signing someone in their 30s if they are good enough.

The team lacks leaders, so evident in the Europa final

And Williams isn't, we have three better center backs already, we don't need another decent-ish one who's never played above the level of Swansea.

gordongekko

RoboKlopp wrote: »

Wouldn't worry about signing someone in their 30s if they are good enough.

The team lacks leaders, so evident in the Europa final

Ah Jesus we sign enough players in their 20s who are ****e so let's not start buying players in their 30s

Kirby

You do get the impression if he was Williamsinho, the narrative might be different though.

martyos121

Kirby wrote: »

You do get the impression if he was Williamsinho, the narrative might be different though.

If he was Williamsinho, he'd never make it out of the Brasileiro.

SuperTortoise

Pyjamarama wrote: »

Apparently there's a player (Zuniga) in the deal with Napoli and the plan is to then send him on loan to Watford... surely that kind of stuff is against some rule.

Player still holds most of the cards, he could simply refuse to sign for them and hold out for us. If that's what he wants of course.

murpho999

martyos121 wrote: »

And Williams isn't, we have three better center backs already, we don't need another decent-ish one who's never played above the level of Swansea.

I still think Williams was better than CB we had 3 years ago. Would have been a good signing. I do not get the contempt for him.

If we have such good players how come we've done so sh1te over the last few years, is it totally nothing with the players we have?

NukaCola

People here were turning their noses up at Gotze a few weeks ago, not surprised people dont want Williams being honest.....

Doodoo

Says he wants to see out his contract on BBC sport

"Liverpool have had an £11.7m bid for Poland midfielder Piotr Zielinski rejected by Udinese.

That is despite the fact the Italian club have accepted an identical offer from Serie A rivals Napoli.

Liverpool hope a deal can be done as Zielinski wants to join them, having indicated he is prepared to see out the remaining two years on his Udinese contract and leave on a free transfer."
http://m.bbc.com/sport/football/36695597

gordongekko

gordongekko wrote: »

Ah Jesus we sign enough players in their 20s who are ****e so let's not start buying players in their 30s

Forget Williams for a second.

What about players who are good in their 30s? Surely that's ok?

Agent Coulson

Well that was a quick summer pre-season started today.

Liverpool began pre-season preparations at Melwood on Saturday, with four players training with the club for the first time – and we were on hand to get these photographs.

Sadio Mane, Joel Matip, Loris Karius and Marko Grujic joined the Reds players who haven’t been on international duty this summer in a day of testing led by Andreas Kornmayer – a new addition to Jürgen Klopp’s backroom team.

The sessions, which saw the squad broken up into three groups of eight players, were closely monitored by the boss and assistants Peter Krawietz and Zeljko Buvac.

Also taking part were Liverpool’s returning loan players, including Mario Balotelli, Allan Rodrigues de Souza, Luis Alberto and Lazar Markovic.

http://www.liverpoolfc.com/news/first-team/226180-photos-from-melwood-lfc-s-first-day-of-pre-season-training