Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours 2016, Mod Warning in OP, 10/7

MD1990

daithijjj wrote: »

You are kind of making my point for me.

Allen has played there and we collectively found out he couldnt do it so it was avoided. As a player in CM, you have to be an all rounder, at some point you have to be able to do it, but he cant, therein he is limited/not good enough in the grand scheme moving forward for us/should be sold as there wont be a better time to sell. And i believe Klopp thinks he can find a replacement easily enough. We will find out in the next few weeks.

Small point on Can, we need more than him there because we are using him as a versatile player in different positions, ergo, if he is needed to fill in for Clyne, for example, we risk having a domino effect in a few positions which collectively makes us weaker as a unit because while he is competent at right back we would then lose something in DM. Our lack of focus in a DM has seen us diminish in resilience as a team. Can is one, we dont have another that i would describe as good enough. Our squad players simply arent good enough to cover Can in terms of deep lying midfielder/playmaker role. They dont have his strength, they dont have his passing ability.

Allen hasn't played as a DM (bar 1 or 2 games) in 4 years in which he has improved as a player.
Under Klopp Can has only played as a CM/DM. We have Flanagan,Gomez as cover for RB.
Can has been great for us despite these stats but you say Allen doesn't get enough goals/assists but he got more than Can last season both playing mostly in a midfield 2 in much less appearances.
Unless we sign a top class CM Allen is worth keeping as there is not much between Allen,Milner & Henderson at all really.

rob316

SuperTortoise wrote: »

Any word on benteke?

Reports his £140k wages that he wants an increase on will scupper any deal.
As I thought I knew the wages would be a problem to shift.

Hollister11

Brad Jones back at Liverpool today.

8-10

Hollister11 wrote: »

Brad Jones back at Liverpool today.

For fitness training it has to be said - he hasn't been resigned or anything he's just allowed to train at Melwood until he finds a club

Harry Palmr

Dahoud to stay at 'gladbach for another 12 months according to Melissa Reddy, so that's that by the looks of it.

x43r0

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Dahoud to stay at 'gladbach for another 12 months according to Melissa Reddy, so that's that by the looks of it.

So you're saying all is not good in Dahoud?

ricero

Watch dahoud sign for a bigger club next summer.

Also hate boards.ie on android phones

NukaCola

ricero wrote: »

[quoteHarry Palmr;100247589]Dahoud to stay at 'gladbach for another 12 months according to Melissa Reddy, so that's that by the

Couldn't have said it better myself......

Buford T. Justice XIX

Piotr Zielinski will officially be a Napoli player either today or tomorrow - (Tele Club Italia)

https://twitter.com/Anything_LFC/status/749929376641380352

We should have stayed in bed this morning:(

Colemania

We're going to sign someone like Delph now aren't we.....

rob316

So Dahoud and Zielinski not going to happen, what are our alternatives?

Kovacic at Madrid? I'd like that, probably be about 30m.Only 22 so fits the profile.
Stop gap till next summer in Nuri Sahin? would be cheap too as he has barely kicked a ball for Dortmund in the last 2 seasons IIRC

Or do we plow on with Hendo, Can, Lucas, Grujic and keep Allen? Don't think that is enough we badly need one more CM and a very good one at that.

Buford T. Justice XIX

rob316 wrote: »

So Dahoud and Zielinski not going to happen, what are our alternatives?

Kovacic at Madrid? I'd like that, probably be about 30m.Only 22 so fits the profile.
Stop gap till next summer in Nuri Sahin? would be cheap too as he has barely kicked a ball for Dortmund in the last 2 seasons IIRC

Or do we plow on with Hendo, Can, Lucas, Grujic and keep Allen? Don't think that is enough we badly need one more CM and a very good one at that.

Neves, maybe?

Porto have to sell someone for FFP so he would be one of a few at the top of the list of wanted by other teams.

Washington Irving

I imagine the replacement for Zielinski/Dahoud will be Joe Allen.

Riesen_Meal

Is Zielenski the lad who was photographed in a Liverpool jersey?

NukaCola

Our CM's are bang average.....does adding Dahoud and Zielinski really change that at this moment in time? Maybe a few years down the line they'll be special but I wont be crying too much about missing out on them to be honest.....

Washington Irving

Fieldog wrote: »

Is Zielenski the lad who was photographed in a Liverpool jersey?

yes m8

rob316

Buford T. Justice V wrote: »

Neves, maybe?

Porto have to sell someone for FFP so he would be one of a few at the top of the list of wanted by other teams.

Yes looks an outstanding player but the only drawback I have about Neves is Mendes represents him. The Neves to Madrid stories would be never ending every summer.

daithijjj

MD1990 wrote: »

Allen hasn't played as a DM (bar 1 or 2 games) in 4 years in which he has improved as a player.
Under Klopp Can has only played as a CM/DM. We have Flanagan,Gomez as cover for RB.
Can has been great for us despite these stats but you say Allen doesn't get enough goals/assists but he got more than Can last season both playing mostly in a midfield 2 in much less appearances.
Unless we sign a top class CM Allen is worth keeping as there is not much between Allen,Milner & Henderson at all really.

It doesnt matter where you are selected to start if, during a game, you find yourself doing the job of a DM during that game or any other game.

Allen is easily replaced. I honestly dont think there will be that much interest in him at the rumoured price of 14m (in the form of his career). I'd be amazed if anyone paid that. We will see.

Harry Palmr

You really don't rate Allen at all do you

daithijjj

Harry Palmr wrote: »

You really don't rate Allen at all do you

I do rate him. In the same way i rated Borini. Ultimately not good enough.

If we sold him for more than 10 and got Tielemans or Neves (as examples) for less than 20 i dont think many would be bothered if he left.

Riesen_Meal

Washington Irving wrote: »

yes m8

Becoming a habit now this shít!

Of course he is heading for Napoli...

MD1990

If I was Klopp. I would go all out for Matuidi. Tough deal to pull off but I think PSG might sell after signing Krychowiak.
He is good friends with Sakho which could give us a chance.

Buford T. Justice XIX

rob316 wrote: »

Yes looks an outstanding player but the only drawback I have about Neves is Mendes represents him. The Neves to Madrid stories would be never ending every summer.

If he improved the team now and left after 4-5 years for a shed load of money, I would be OK with that.

For a huge swath of the football world, Spain and particularly Real and Barca, is where they dream of going and Italy to a lesser degree.

I have no problem with that, they use us, we use them.

Knex*

MD1990 wrote: »

If I was Klopp. I would go all out for Matuidi. Tough deal to pull off but I think PSG might sell after signing Krychowiak.
He is good friends with Sakho which could give us a chance.

Two years left on his contract too, I believe. Really wanted us to sign him back before he signed the last deal. Would be a massive addition, although he would play for most teams in Europe so we'd have a hard time getting him if PSG did want to sell.

MD1990

Knex. wrote: »

Two years left on his contract too, I believe. Really wanted us to sign him back before he signed the last deal. Would be a massive addition, although he would play for most teams in Europe so we'd have a hard time getting him if PSG did want to sell.

Some reports he is flying to England https://twitter.com/GFFN/status/749964959094829057

Probably to join Chelsea or Man Utd:(

sword1

Would suit klopp strategy, i would love to see him playing for Liverpool, swap for Joe Allen
**** that, if he joins united i will have to avoid all football media till season starts 😠😭🙈🙉

x43r0

MD1990 wrote: »

If I was Klopp. I would go all out for Matuidi. Tough deal to pull off but I think PSG might sell after signing Krychowiak.
He is good friends with Sakho which could give us a chance.

He sure is


MON DIEU!! BLAYZUH BLAYZUH!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4YhalxGdBw

Vicxas

x43r0 wrote: »

He sure is


MON DIEU!! BLAYZUH BLAYZUH!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4YhalxGdBw

Bargaining chip?



Pah! Why do i even do this to myself....

x43r0

Vicxas wrote: »

Bargaining chip?



Pah! Why do i even do this to myself....

Don't do it to yourself - A lot of tweets saying the flight is headed to Manchester

BullBlackNova

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/jul/04/crystal-palace-up-bid-christian-benteke-liverpool?CMP=share_btn_tw

Palace to up bid to £31.5m. Keep the pressure on lads - we can make a profit on him yet!!

If it goes through at that price, Palace will have spent more than 50m on him, Andros Townsend and James Tomkins (if/when that is completed as expected) with Mandanda arriving on a free. Some potentially great signings there.

Harry Palmr

Take the money!

sword1

x43r0 wrote: »

Don't do it to yourself - A lot of tweets saying the flight is headed to Manchester

Which is very close to Liverpool, flight would not be much of an indication, media seems to be saying United but nothing concrete, so there's a chance

Francie Barrett

BullBlackNova wrote: »

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/jul/04/crystal-palace-up-bid-christian-benteke-liverpool?CMP=share_btn_tw

Palace to up bid to £31.5m. Keep the pressure on lads - we can make a profit on him yet!!

If it goes through at that price, Palace will have spent more than 50m on him, Andros Townsend and James Tomkins (if/when that is completed as expected) with Mandanda arriving on a free. Some potentially great signings there.

Crazy, just crazy.

joe123

Really don't get why people are advocating the selling of Joe Allen. He may not be flashy but he is brilliant at getting hold of the ball and keeping the team moving. Does the simple things right that sometimes goes unnoticed.

We should be adding to the likes of Allen, not replacing him. If he does leave, I hope its down to Allen wanting guaranteed playing time and not Liverpool not deciding to offer him a new contract.

As far as Benteke goes, if we got £31 million for him id bite their hand off. We might actually go for a left back that's not still a kid then!

D'Agger

I full on love Joe Allen & I'd love him to remain in the squad if he could improve his consistency - too often he plays a blinder, followed by a shocker, he's a great bit of stuff, would only advocate selling him if he's replaced with a solid talent like Neves


"G'wan Joe Bhiy" - most used phrase of my Euros so far

MD1990

joe123 wrote: »

Really don't get why people are advocating the selling of Joe Allen. He may not be flashy but he is brilliant at getting hold of the ball and keeping the team moving. Does the simple things right that sometimes goes unnoticed.

We should be adding to the likes of Allen, not replacing him. If he does leave, I hope its down to Allen wanting guaranteed playing time and not Liverpool not deciding to offer him a new contract.

As far as Benteke goes, if we got £31 million for him id bite their hand off. We might actually go for a left back that's not still a kid then!

Much of it is pride in the sense they don't want to admit they were wrong. Allen haters all have one thing in common they hate Rodgers too. For some no matter how well Allen performs it will never be good enough. Its a petty & biased opinion . They also love the phrase manball.

Harry Palmr

Neves would be a deeper player though - him and Can could sit with Allen in front in a narrow 4-3-3, perm 3 from about 6 players in the attack.

redzerdrog

MD1990 wrote: »

Much of it is pride in the sense they don't want to admit they were wrong. Allen haters all have one thing in common they hate Rodgers too. For some no matter how well Allen performs it will never be good enough. Its a petty & biased opinion . They also love the phrase manball.

Absolute Bollox

murpho999

MD1990 wrote: »

Much of it is pride in the sense they don't want to admit they were wrong. Allen haters all have one thing in common they hate Rodgers too. For some no matter how well Allen performs it will never be good enough. Its a petty & biased opinion . They also love the phrase manball.

It's not as black and white as that.

I don't hate Rodgers but would not be devastated to see Allen go. He doesn't t control a game enough for me.

Would you all have him as a started every game?

I think he's a squad player at best for us.

Vicxas

Right, at that kinda money Benteke needs to go.

Absolutely silly to hold out for more.

whatawaster

Vicxas wrote: »

Right, at that kinda money Benteke needs to go.

Absolutely silly to hold out for more.

What if holding out for more got us more?

Vicxas

whatawaster wrote: »

What if holding out for more got us more?

You make an interesting point......

Harry Palmr

whatawaster wrote: »

What if holding out for more got us more?

What if holding out got us more Benteke next season eh eh?

MD1990

Depends on who we sign as a CM & whether Allen wants to stay. But Allen right now is a better CM option than Henderson or Milner. Milner was excellent at the end of the season but performs better on the right.

Henderson I wouldn't right off but was off form last season . Zielinski if he comes will need time to adjust to a different tempo compared to Serie A. Dahoud looks to be staying. So right now we cannot afford to lose Allen. If we signed a top class CM I wouldn't mind selling Allen to give him 1st team football but we don't look close to doing that at all.

Buford T. Justice XIX

Ian ayre off to collect a 30m cheque from CPFC

rob316

MD1990 wrote: »

Much of it is pride in the sense they don't want to admit they were wrong. Allen haters all have one thing in common they hate Rodgers too. For some no matter how well Allen performs it will never be good enough. Its a petty & biased opinion . They also love the phrase manball.

To be fair, its the opposite I think most are happy that Klopp got him to perform at a level Rodgers couldn't in a Liverpool shirt and goes to prove how superior Klopp is.

However lets not forget there was a lot of **** performances over the last couple of years but he was the victim of Rodgers throwing out his philosophy when it didn't work instantly and that stupid "Welsh Xavi" comment was always going to be hanging over him. He has been fairly unlucky with injuries too IIRC.

Happy to keep him but we can upgrade on him and should be actively doing so.

MD1990

rob316 wrote: »

To be fair, its the opposite I think most are happy that Klopp got him to perform at a level Rodgers couldn't in a Liverpool shirt and goes to prove how superior Klopp is.

However lets not forget there was a lot of **** performances over the last couple of years but he was the victim of Rodgers throwing out his philosophy when it didn't work instantly and that stupid "Welsh Xavi" comment was always going to be hanging over him. He has been fairly unlucky with injuries too IIRC.

Happy to keep him but we can upgrade on him and should be actively doing so.

I did just say some. Most of course are happy to see him performing well now.

daithijjj

MD1990 wrote: »

Much of it is pride in the sense they don't want to admit they were wrong. Allen haters all have one thing in common they hate Rodgers too. For some no matter how well Allen performs it will never be good enough. Its a petty & biased opinion . They also love the phrase manball.

When he is moved on by Klopp i promise not to come back to this.

5starpool

We aren't signing Matuidi.

I reckon there is a good chance though of us signing 1 player out of the blue relatively speaking that wasn't picked up by anyone, but other than that, we are probably done. I'll be a bit annoyed if we don't sign a left back though.

smileyj1987

I see Axel witsel is being linked to both us and everton , If they are the two prem clubs after him I can only see him ending up at Liverpool