Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours 2016, Mod Warning in OP, 10/7

sword1

~Rebel~ wrote: »

I guess instead of talking about it in terms of specialty positions, what I think we desperately need in our squad is a midfielder with particularly quick speed of thought, efficiency of movement, who's strong in the tackle, and quick to spot an opportunity to intercept.

As it stands, only Lucas and Allen really have some of those attributes, and both could well be off.

It's all well and good having lads that are big and strong and run around a lot, but a guy who knows what he's doing on the defensive side gets a lot more done with a lot less effort, leaving more energy in the team for going forward.

Some midfielder will have to go ,too many players for too few positions and games will only lead to discontented players, is coutiniho or Allen sold,i presume there is a plan ,a couple of players that klopp does not see a place for

BorneTobyWilde

I worry when a highlight reel is nothing more than pointless passes that end up putting players receiving them in trouble. If these are his highlights then he must be lacking a brain.
You would think the purpose of creating highlights of a player would be for that video to contain something of quality. I can't find anything of quality with this guy .

~Rebel~

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

I worry when a highlight reel is nothing more than pointless passes that end up putting players receiving them in trouble. If these are his highlights then he must be lacking a brain.
You would think the purpose of creating highlights of a player would be for that video to contain something of quality. I can't find anything of quality with this guy .

Are you talking about that video against Sunderland that got put up, where he's playing in the midfield 2? I don't think that was a highlights package, i think it was just his every touch and involvement in the game, whether good or bad.

Here's another them against West Ham;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WdQRXLe2WEM

mosstin

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

I worry when a highlight reel is nothing more than pointless passes that end up putting players receiving them in trouble. If these are his highlights then he must be lacking a brain.
You would think the purpose of creating highlights of a player would be for that video to contain something of quality. I can't find anything of quality with this guy .

The music generally found on highlights reels worries me.

Dickerty

Watching highlights, Wijnaldum actually reminds me of a young Stevie - very happy to have the ball with opposition near by, able to protect it and lay off, always looking to burst forward. I would say confidence would be a big thing to him.

He's everything Hendo's not, and I like Hendo - explosive, expressive, plays with swagger, and can clearly finish!

BullBlackNova

This may be the quickest turnaround for any reported target in history.
Wijnaldum has gone from a "Really? 20m for a Newcastle player?" to a young Stevie in about 2 days.
Bloody hell.

Harry Palmr

Grujic is the new Gerrard.

Some clickbait site linking Origi to Atletico

murpho999

Dickerty wrote: »

Watching highlights, Wijnaldum actually reminds me of a young Stevie - very happy to have the ball with opposition near by, able to protect it and lay off, always looking to burst forward. I would say confidence would be a big thing to him.

He's everything Hendo's not, and I like Hendo - explosive, expressive, plays with swagger, and can clearly finish!

Did you see many of the games where Wijnaldum apparantly didn't show in the majority of Newcastle's season?

Turtyturd

So he's like the older Gerrard who didn't show in the majority of our games each season?

Dickerty

murpho999 wrote: »

Dickerty wrote: »

Watching highlights, Wijnaldum actually reminds me of a young Stevie - very happy to have the ball with opposition near by, able to protect it and lay off, always looking to burst forward. I would say confidence would be a big thing to him.

He's everything Hendo's not, and I like Hendo - explosive, expressive, plays with swagger, and can clearly finish!

Did you see many of the games were Wijnaldum apparantly didn't show in the majority of Newcastle's season?

You mean where he was started 36 of 38 games, 11 goals and 5 assists? Yeh, sounds like he was hiding.
The only negativity I've read is about him going missing away from home, but did you see Newcastle under McClaren? They barely had the ball, and he was largely played as a Left Winger. It's hard to impress as a winger when you don't have the ball...

Dickerty

BullBlackNova wrote: »

This may be the quickest turnaround for any reported target in history.
Wijnaldum has gone from a "Really? 20m for a Newcastle player?" to a young Stevie in about 2 days.
Bloody hell.

That idea that a relegated player can't be worth a good fee is nonsense anyway. He was signed for 15M, he had a productive season, and prices have risen substantially his summer.

murpho999

Dickerty wrote: »

You mean where he was started 36 of 38 games, 11 goals and 5 assists? Yeh, sounds like he was hiding.
The only negativity I've read is about him going missing away from home, but did you see Newcastle under McClaren? They barely had the ball, and he was largely played as a Left Winger. It's hard to impress as a winger when you don't have the ball...

Remember, he got 4 goals in one game. He has not scored one away goal.

You can't just judge a player on stats. Who signs a player for assists?

I have a been reading a few NUFC blogs about him and also saw "The True Geordie" rant about him on You Tube and they really found him awful last season and a player who did not put much effort in the majority of games. Do we want a player like that?

mosstin

murpho999 wrote: »

Did you see many of the games where Wijnaldum apparantly didn't show in the majority of Newcastle's season?

Fecking hell, hard to see him if he didn't show, eh?

Turtyturd

Didn't we sign Stewy D due to his assist stats?

murpho999

mosstin wrote: »

Fecking hell, hard to see him if he didn't show, eh?

Well I'm hoping he's a good player that was lost in a bad team. Time will tell.

BullBlackNova

Turtyturd wrote: »

Didn't we sign Stewy D due to his assist stats?

Yep. And it was an unqualified success so we're going to keep on with the same system for identifying targets.

Wait...

f*ck.

kfallon

Boy Georginio will be a great signing for us, just wait and see!

Tho pretty sure I said that about Benteke last year And I still stand by that statement..... :pac:

rob316

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Ben Chilwell playing for Leicester this evening - saw some highlights. He looked very composed and assured.

Ya saw that, bit of a younger Leighton Baines about him I thought.

SantryRed

murpho999 wrote: »

Remember, he got 4 goals in one game. He has not scored one away goal.

You can't just judge a player on stats. Who signs a player for assists?

I have a been reading a few NUFC blogs about him and also saw "The True Geordie" rant about him on You Tube and they really found him awful last season and a player who did not put much effort in the majority of games. Do we want a player like that?

I wouldn't take the words of any Newcastle fan in anyways seriously considering the grilling they seem to give most players who dares play for them.

Dickerty

murpho999 wrote: »

Dickerty wrote: »

You mean where he was started 36 of 38 games, 11 goals and 5 assists? Yeh, sounds like he was hiding.
The only negativity I've read is about him going missing away from home, but did you see Newcastle under McClaren? They barely had the ball, and he was largely played as a Left Winger. It's hard to impress as a winger when you don't have the ball...

Remember, he got 4 goals in one game. He has not scored one away goal.

You can't just judge a player on stats. Who signs a player for assists?

I have a been reading a few NUFC blogs about him and also saw "The True Geordie" rant about him on You Tube and they really found him awful last season and a player who did not put much effort in the majority of games. Do we want a player like that?

Who signs a player for assists? Em, everyone? Why would you ignore goals and assists as a proof of efficiency?
I read a few as well, and they were certain games where he was torn apart, but not much less than 3/4 of the team. As a team, they were awful last season, Rafa almost saved them, and he was one of those who improved when Rafa came in.

So do you judge him on 2/3 of a season in a crap side when he STILL scored and made goals, or on 250+ games and 75 goals for Feyenoord and PSV before that?

8-10

Turtyturd wrote: »

Didn't we sign Stewy D due to his assist stats?

No stats were irrelevant, it was purely on this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6HCvpk1QsaM

NukaCola

We are writing players off now based on blogs and highlights reels. Get a grip ffs.

mosstin

Apparently the Subotic move to Boro has collapsed on medical grounds. Was linked with us on a number of occasions.

noodler

NukaCola wrote: »

We are writing players off now based on blogs and highlights reels. Get a grip ffs.

Not sure about that tbh.

If a signing seems underpar compared to what we require then it should be pointed out.

mosstin

noodler wrote: »

Not sure about that tbh.

If a signing seems underpar compared to what we require then it should be pointed out.

Preferably with a clearly laid out PowerPoint presentation.

NukaCola

noodler wrote: »

NukaCola wrote: »

We are writing players off now based on blogs and highlights reels. Get a grip ffs.

Not sure about that tbh.

If a signing seems underpar compared to what we require then it should be pointed out.

Yes, but based on blogs and highlight reels? Absolutely not. I would bet people giving out about him haven't seen him play more than 8 games in his entire career.

corwill

noodler wrote: »

Not sure about that tbh.

If a signing seems underpar compared to what we require then it should be pointed out.

IMHO, a player needs to be a truly compelling, slam-dunk of a signing if we're buying him out of an abject mess of a relegated team.

I'd also like a little more change out of £30mil, while we're at it.

Trust Klopp etc & so forth, but I won't be running around with my underpants on my head with excitement over this deal, if it goes ahead.

Kimbot

Klopp obviously sees a place in the team for this crap newcastle midfielder so rather than bash the guy can we not just wait and judge him when he puts the shirt on for us?

murpho999

Dickerty wrote: »

Who signs a player for assists? Em, everyone? Why would you ignore goals and assists as a proof of efficiency?
I read a few as well, and they were certain games where he was torn apart, but not much less than 3/4 of the team. As a team, they were awful last season, Rafa almost saved them, and he was one of those who improved when Rafa came in.

So do you judge him on 2/3 of a season in a crap side when he STILL scored and made goals, or on 250+ games and 75 goals for Feyenoord and PSV before that?

From what I have seen him (which I'll be honest is limited) he looks a good player and I hope he's successful for us.

I am hoping that the complaints from NUFC fans is down to the poor morale in the squad and having Steve McClaren at the helm.

As for signing players based on assists, I thnk it's a poor policy and overall performances must be taken into account.

Turtyturd

BullBlackNova wrote: »

Yep. And it was an unqualified success so we're going to keep on with the same system for identifying targets.

Wait...

f*ck.

But that wasn't the question.

rob316

Northern Echo says £25m deal expected to be completed before the end of the week.

Makes sense now why Klopp didn't bother with Subotic when we needed experienced cover although a move was mooted back in January.

laois gael

A £20m deal for Wijnaldum will mean #LFC have spent £230m on players from Newcastle, Southampton, Sunderland and Aston Villa since 2011.

What a sobering thought!

noodler

NukaCola wrote: »

Yes, but based on blogs and highlight reels? Absolutely not. I would bet people giving out about him haven't seen him play more than 8 games in his entire career.

Fair but we shouldn't be assuming he is up to the standard just because we don't know - benefit of the doubt etc.

The burden of proof should be on people to prove he is good in the first instance.

MD1990

Whenever I saw Wijnaldum for Newcastle last season he was very impressive. Quick,strong,can dribble & is an excellent finisher. I think even at 25m its an excellent signing & adds pace to the CM role I expect him to play. I see him at his best as a box to box CM.

Riesen_Meal

I hope that Origi thing is bollox, I really do.

I'd quicker get rid of Sturridge, I think Origi can really blossom, he's still only a kid, whereas one bang and Studge will be out for 2 months...

Regardless of who we are buying, I trust Klopp to get the best out of who he does buy...

Only got to watch this yesterday if no one has seen it before:

NukaCola

noodler wrote: »

NukaCola wrote: »

Yes, but based on blogs and highlight reels? Absolutely not. I would bet people giving out about him haven't seen him play more than 8 games in his entire career.

Fair but we shouldn't be assuming he is up to the standard just because we don't know - benefit of the doubt etc.

The burden of proof should be on people to prove he is good in the first instance.

Klopp is willing to bring him in. I'd take his opinion over anything you could read in blogs. I'd be happy with the signing based on what I've seen also. I have no problem with people being not impressed, but the level of negativity based on flimsy data seems ridiculous to me.

MD1990

Very good interview with Agger. https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2016/jul/20/daniel-agger-liverpool-story-athletes-pills?CMP=share_btn_tw

A great servant for the club & by the sounds of it done well to play for as lomg as he did.

Roy Hodgson

“I completely lost my desire to come to work because his training sessions were really hard to get through. Not physically but mentally. It was the same and the same and the same. Day in and day out.

“Often we had eight forwards playing against me and Martin Skrtel [apparently to let Fernando Torres score to regain his confidence]. Skrtel and I had a really hard training session as we were defending against eight with two but the eight players attacking were just faffing around. They had hardly run a kilometre and it was so uninspiring.”

lol

Benimar

laois gael wrote: »

A £20m deal for Wijnaldum will mean #LFC have spent £230m on players from Newcastle, Southampton, Sunderland and Aston Villa since 2011.

What a sobering thought!

Imagine if Boards.ie was around in the 60s and 70s when we were signing players from Scunthorpe!

'Why are we buying this Keegan guy? Scunthorpe already took us to the cleaners on the Clemence deal?'

corwill

Benimar wrote: »

Imagine if Boards.ie was around in the 60s and 70s when we were signing players from Scunthorpe!

'Why are we buying this Keegan guy? Scunthorpe already took us to the cleaners on the Clemence deal?'

Back then, there would be a track record of more than the odd one working out to balance the cynicism that you're seeing today.

murpho999

Benimar wrote: »

Imagine if Boards.ie was around in the 60s and 70s when we were signing players from Scunthorpe!

'Why are we buying this Keegan guy? Scunthorpe already took us to the cleaners on the Clemence deal?'

Replacing Keegan with Dalglish with big money would have been a huge issue too.

Knex*

MD1990 wrote: »

Whenever I saw Wijnaldum for Newcastle last season he was very impressive. Quick,strong,can dribble & is an excellent finisher. I think even at 25m its an excellent signing & adds pace to the CM role I expect him to play. I see him at his best as a box to box CM.

If he plays the role to the standard of Dembele at Spurs, I'll take him at that price every time.

martyos121

Klavan is officially a Liverpool player now. Lean is imminent.

He's getting Sakho's old number.

BullBlackNova

MD1990 wrote: »

Very good interview with Agger. https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2016/jul/20/daniel-agger-liverpool-story-athletes-pills?CMP=share_btn_tw

A great servant for the club & by the sounds of it done well to play for as lomg as he did.



lol

The excerpts in that piece are great.

The Benitez section is as you'd expect - tactically brilliant.

But the section on Rodgers is telling. Relationship completely broke down and BR unwilling to take any grief for tactical mistakes, etc.

And, the documenting of Agger's injuries is pretty striking. Always loved him as a player and it seems he really put his health on the line to keep playing.

Aaaand, finally, Klavan is in. He joins a list of bizarre 4th choice CBs that includes Kolo and Kyrgiakos. If he is anyway close to the former, we'll bloody love him.

noodler

martyos121 wrote: »

Klavan is officially a Liverpool player now. Lean is imminent.

He's getting Sakho's old number.

I know feck all about him as well bar the few reports and blogs over the last few days.

Lovely Bloke

That Agger interview is brilliant.

I wonder how many other players at how many other clubs put themselves through similar?

Slattsy

I'm happy with Wijnaldum if it means he's coming into the first team to replace Henderson.

Riesen_Meal

Seems like my Doppler Danny has not only the exact same good looks as me, he also seems to have the same horrific disc slips and addiction to anti inflammatories also...

We have more in common than originally thought...

Agent Coulson

Utopia Parkway

Slattsy wrote: »

I'm happy with Wijnaldum if it means he's coming into the first team to replace Henderson.

Amazed at the amount of Liverpool fans down on Henderson or even want him sold. Didn't have a great last season but pretty much battled through injury for most of it. Think he can rediscover his form.

Riesen_Meal

Utopia Parkway wrote: »

Amazed at the amount of Liverpool fans down on Henderson or even want him sold. Didn't have a great last season but pretty much battled through injury for most of it. Think he can rediscover his form.

He never should have been made Captain of the team IMO, no he didn't have a good season, nor did he have a good Euro's from what I saw of him, maybe give him one more year as a vice captain or something and if he's not back up to speed we should look to move him on...

I saw on the Klopp documentary I posted a few pages back that after his first season managing Mainz he changed the Captain, I wonder is he thinking similar....

I don't know who could be Captain though?