Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours 2016, Mod Warning in OP, 10/7

J Mysterio

Fieldog wrote: »

Only got to watch this yesterday if no one has seen it before:

That was excellent, nice one.

Harry Palmr

Henderson will need to have a good, maybe very good season which might sound like stating the bleedin' obvious but Klopp won't keep him just because he the current captain or one of the longer standing members of the first team squad

Agent Coulson

‘Whatever.’


I was substituted 12 minutes later.”

Looks like a spoiled 12 year old managed the club.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2016/jul/20/daniel-agger-liverpool-story-athletes-pills

8-10

Fieldog wrote: »

He never should have been made Captain of the team IMO, no he didn't have a good season, nor did he have a good Euro's from what I saw of him, maybe give him one more year as a vice captain or something and if he's not back up to speed we should look to move him on...

I saw on the Klopp documentary I posted a few pages back that after his first season managing Mainz he changed the Captain, I wonder is he thinking similar....

I don't know who could be Captain though?

Lovren for a year or 2 then Can

NyOmnishambles

Baldy Conscience wrote: »

That Agger interview is brilliant.

I wonder how many other players at how many other clubs put themselves through similar?

It is good to see an honest assessment of things from an intelligent guy and the attitude is part of the reason he was much loved at the club and why there was always moaning that he was injured too often, people wanted to see him play

I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of players overdo it on medication, there has to be a lot of pressure to not lose your place

Hollister11

8-10 wrote: »

Lovren for a year or 2 then Can

Sakho is captain material, but Can is the future of LFC.

Harry Palmr

Coutinho needs to be captain if only to help keep his thoughts at Liverpool until the inevitable transfer to Spain/PSG

8-10

Hollister11 wrote: »

Sakho is captain material, but Can is the future of LFC.

Yeah Sakho did it at PSG before. I just feel he won't be automatic first choice this year

8-10

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Looks like a spoiled 12 year old managed the club.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2016/jul/20/daniel-agger-liverpool-story-athletes-pills

Yeah the ending where he talks about Rodgers' half-time talk against Swansea was interesting. I looked at the article at the time about that game and saw the following quote which indicates that Agger was definitely being blamed directly and this was the beginning of the end...

"We didn't defend anywhere near well enough but once again the offensive side of our game was very good," the Liverpool manager said. "Up until now we have got away with it [poor defending]. It is not about coaching, the way we concede goals. The way we concede isn't structural, it is down to mistakes and decision-making.

TitianGerm

Fieldog wrote: »

Only got to watch this yesterday if no one has seen it before:

That was great. Well worth the watch.

rob316

We all know Rodgers couldn't organize a defence to save his life, but moving on Agger was the right decision. His body couldn't handle premier league football anymore and shortly after couldn't handle any football.

Riesen_Meal

emmetkenny wrote: »

That was great. Well worth the watch.

I was taking full advantage of my Month of LFC TV Go sub so I can watch all the pre season games and saw it on there in the on demand....

razorblunt

Fieldog wrote: »

He never should have been made Captain of the team IMO, no he didn't have a good season, nor did he have a good Euro's from what I saw of him, maybe give him one more year as a vice captain or something and if he's not back up to speed we should look to move him on...

I saw on the Klopp documentary I posted a few pages back that after his first season managing Mainz he changed the Captain, I wonder is he thinking similar....

I don't know who could be Captain though?

I'd give it to Can, let him grow into it.
Lovren would be another shout, but given he's had one awful and one relatively decent season so far he might do better with less responsibility and just concentrate on his own game and the defense.

tinpib

That Agger article is good. I'm fascinated by what went on behind the scenes with Rodgers. I used to always watch Rodgers pressers in the latter half of the 2013/14 season to see if I could gain any extra insight into how this genius operated. He seemed so normal dealing with the press, what's his secret?

The Being Liverpool doc came out in 2012 but I only watched it maybe in late 2014 and I got a bit of a knot in my stomach when I saw how he came across in that.

So articles like that one are good.

Are there any good books with more info like that? I believe Stevie G's one has info. Any others? Or other in depth articles like that?

Maybe on Kindle so I can buy with one click and then never get round reading?

Hollister11

Bogdan to wigan on loan

NabyLadistheman

hard to get excited over todays addition if i'm honest.

Riesen_Meal

Suarezistheman wrote: »

hard to get excited over todays addition if i'm honest.

He did well against us, sign him up!

Harry Palmr

Suarezistheman wrote: »

hard to get excited over todays addition if i'm honest.

Most people don't throw their hats in the air when the 4th choice centre back is signed.

MD1990

What happened with Agger is a lesson that we should not be so hard on Sturridge who has been suggested to only want to play when near fully fit. We don't really know what goes on behind the scenes.
Also playing with an Injury is probably a major part why Henderson was below par last season too & if he can regain his full fitness I think he can be an excellent player for us next season. Suited to Klopp's style too.

Vicxas

MD1990 wrote: »

What happened with Agger is a lesson that we should not be so hard on Sturridge who has been suggested to only want to play when near fully fit. We don't really know what goes on behind the scenes.
Also playing with an Injury is probably a major part why Henderson was below par last season too & if he can regain his full fitness I think he can be an excellent player for us next season. Suited to Klopp's style too.

I think thats why Klopp was dead right to ease him back into the game, despite Sturridge's protestations.

Riesen_Meal

http://www.liverpoolfc.com/news/first-team/228257-picture-special-ragnar-klavan-s-first-day-at-melwood

Ragnar's first day photos, the normal photographer must be on his holidays, not one leaning one in the gallery...

Re : Captain - Can would be a good shout alright, I think he can go onto huge things, but he may be a quiet chap in the dressing room, who knows?

MD1990

Vicxas wrote: »

I think thats why Klopp was dead right to ease him back into the game, despite Sturridge's protestations.

Klopp's management of Sturridge has been superb. They are certain games he will be used as a sub. Arsenal in the 1st game I expect Sturridge to start from the bench because of a short pre-season but start mostly our home games.

J Mysterio

MD1990 wrote: »

Very good interview with Agger. https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2016/jul/20/daniel-agger-liverpool-story-athletes-pills?CMP=share_btn_tw

A great servant for the club & by the sounds of it done well to play for as lomg as he did.

He has always been one of my favourite players. How his career ended at Liverpool was tragic. He had great heart.

TitianGerm

Fieldog wrote: »

http://www.liverpoolfc.com/news/first-team/228257-picture-special-ragnar-klavan-s-first-day-at-melwood

Ragnar's first day photos, the normal photographer must be on his holidays, not one leaning one in the gallery...

Has he really signed then?

J Mysterio

Baldy Conscience wrote: »

That Agger interview is brilliant.

I wonder how many other players at how many other clubs put themselves through similar?

Looks to me as if Henderson has been broken for some time. Poor bastard. He's a very good player when fit.

BullBlackNova

On the Hendo/captaincy thing...

I reckon we wouldn't be having a debate about him starting if he hadn't been made captain. He's good, has ability and has heart, but his injuries, etc mean he shouldn't be an automatic starter for the time being I think. I also think his best form came for us as part of a three man midfield (with Gerrard as a deep lyer and Coutinho slightly further ahead - Sterling was essentially a striker in that team) and he doesn't reproduce that level of form in a duo.

On the captaincy, it is hard to say how it affects a player. Can could wilt under the pressure, Lovren or Sakho could thrive, Coutinho might do absolutely nothing with it. None of the current lot scream 'captain' to me but I think it's hard to say without seeing them train and in the dressing room.

Let's give it to Clyne and see where we go from there.

J Mysterio

No way Lovren should be made captain at this point. The start of his career here was unbelievably bad and he was widely ridiculed. Most important is that he can continue good form for another season at least before that could even be considered.

Can has the potential to be a good captain but he's still quite young and inexpetienced and hasnt really nailed his position and role yet.

Sakho would be my choice though it would be difficult to give it to him right now given he's missed so many games recently. Still, probably the best shout if Hendo cant recover from his injuries.

Harry Palmr

Some were hoping to sign Subotic well he's failed his Boro medical so there's still a chance

Liverpool v Huddersfield (away) is 7.45 KO and the club are streaming the game on Youtube in 360 technology

http://memeburn.com/2016/07/liverpool-huddersfield-360-degree-youtube-livestream/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+memeburncom+%28memeburn%29

click this later

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GajBP7GqK6A

Nerdlingr

Milner would be up the top of the list for the captaincy I would have thought.

Riesen_Meal

emmetkenny wrote: »

Has he really signed then?

Jury's out....

J Mysterio

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Liverpool v Huddersfield (away) is 7.45 KO and the club are streaming the game on Youtube in 360 technology...

click this later

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GajBP7GqK6A

Brilliant! Thanks.

MD1990

MD1990 wrote: »

What happened with Agger is a lesson that we should not be so hard on Sturridge who has been suggested to only want to play when near fully fit. We don't really know what goes on behind the scenes.
.............

I mentioned before regarding Roy Keane's comments about Van Nis' in his book. Keane would play strapped up and in pain, Van Nis' would be out injured and wouldn't consider playing.

Keane couldn't get his head around it. Keane was a physical wreck before 35, Van Nis' played into his late 30s and probably isn't hobbling about in pain.

Also, look at Van Persie, several injury plagued seasons with Arsenal, moves to Utd and played most of the PL games, huge factor in them winning the league for us. Fingers crossed Sturridge has a season like that ahead of him.

The Sturridge criticism is misplaced imo.

Iused2likebusts

Nerdlingr wrote: »

Milner would be up the top of the list for the captaincy I would have thought.

There was a lot of unhappy people on here last season as he was given the vice captaincy.

Utopia Parkway

Apparently Tony Barrett has resigned from the Times over their Hillsborough front cover. Or lack of it to be more precise.

Sappy404

Utopia Parkway wrote: »

Apparently Tony Barrett has resigned from the Times over their Hillsborough front cover. Or lack of it to be more precise.

Fair play. Any idea why it took him so long though?

Utopia Parkway

Sappy404 wrote: »

Fair play. Any idea why it took him so long though?

Might have been looking for something else in the meantime before making it official. Not sure though.

Harry Palmr

Maybe there was some sort of disciplinary process under way until now. He could have run foul of some sort of internal rules about not criticising his employer or something.

chupacabra

Ah jaysus, guess ill have to secretly support liverpool from now on. Estonia will be talking about this one for months. :pac:

Sappy404

Sakho for captain IMO. He's a first choice player, it would wind up a fair few people after the drug test thing, and frankly I don't think anyone else at the club comes close to what a captain should be.

jesus_thats_gre

tinpib wrote: »

He seemed so normal dealing with the press, what's his secret?

He was from the British Isles and a native English speaker..

jebidiah

Fieldog wrote: »

http://www.liverpoolfc.com/news/first-team/228257-picture-special-ragnar-klavan-s-first-day-at-melwood

Ragnar's first day photos, the normal photographer must be on his holidays, not one leaning one in the gallery...

Re : Captain - Can would be a good shout alright, I think he can go onto huge things, but he may be a quiet chap in the dressing room, who knows?

Could be a slight lean going on here?

Buford T. Justice XIX

jebidiah wrote: »

Could be a slight lean going on here?

Ragnar has a mighty interesting quote on Anfield HQ I think about playing Everton and manU if someone can dig it up

Harry Palmr

Karius, Randall, Lovren, Moreno, Lucas, Stewart, Ejaria, Grujic, Mané, Coutinho, Firmino.

Only 7 subs, George, Wisdom, Alexander-Arnold, Kent, Woodburn, Markovic, Ings

Lucas as a CB?

That youtube stream is not going to work as they are having technical difficulties with the new-fangled technology.

Charlie19

Nerdlingr wrote: »

Milner would be up the top of the list for the captaincy I would have thought.

Front runner for the armband imo.

It will give time for the likes of Can to mature. I would prefer someone from Liverpool but as long as the right player is setting a example then fine by me.

Buford T. Justice XIX

Liverpool insist on a minimum appearance clause of 75% in any loan deals, causing a block to be put on Cameron Brannigans loan to Wigan.

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/liverpool-insisting-playing-clause-loan-11641458#rlabs=2%20rt$sitewide%20p$1

Agent Coulson

Along with buy back and sell on clauses Liverpool are now putting clauses in all loan deals that players must play 75% of fixtures for the loan club..

Great move.

The Echo understands that the Reds now insist on a “75 per cent” clause for all of their loaned players, whereby clubs are penalised financially if a player they have loaned does not play in a specified ratio of matches.

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/liverpool-insisting-playing-clause-loan-11641458

Harry Palmr

Saw that, no more Wilson to Crewe type waste of times. No point in sending players off to learn if they are rooted to the bench.

Meanwhile look out, Sissoko rumours are back

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'The German is an admirer of Sissoko’s playing style' http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/liverpool-news-transfer-rumours-live-11637737 …
2:36 PM - 20 Jul 2016

and

Pete O'Rourke @SportsPeteO

Liverpool and Juventus ready to battle it out for Newcastle United midfielder Moussa Sissoko. #NUFc #LFC #Juventus http://www.espnfc.co.uk/story/2915017/moussa-sissoko-chased-by-liverpool-and-juventus-sources …
2:34 PM - 20 Jul 2016

Buford T. Justice XIX

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Saw that, no one Wilson to Crewe type waste of times. No point in sending players off to learn if they are rooted to the bench.

Meanwhile look out, Sissoko rumours are back



and

Style isn't a word I'd use in describing Sissoko playing:D


Meanwhile, over in Rumourland, Kovacic may be available for loan from Real to either AC Milan or Liverpool.

http://www.calciomercato.com/news/kovacic-il-real-madrid-apre-al-prestito-e-sfida-milan-liverpool-722825

I actually had forgotten about Kovacic in the annual rumour news, good to see he is still alive anyway:)

Agent Coulson

Not looking good for Henderson I think.

mightyreds

YouTube stream is cancelled too,
was it going to be like you were in the stand