Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours 2016, Mod Warning in OP, 10/7

ricero

Reports from holland that we bid for jethro williams

cj maxx

ricero wrote: »

Reports from holland that we bid for jethro williams

Yeah .a LB

kevohmsford

Jetro Willems would be a very good signing. I have watched him play few times.

Agent Coulson

I haven't seen him play much but what I read about him yesterday is that he is Moreno Mrk2 but with a better left foot and not a great defender.

cj maxx

Agent Coulson wrote: »

I haven't seen him play much but what I read about him yesterday is that he is Moreno Mrk2 but with a better left foot and not a great defender.

Ahhh shi#%

DaveSuarez

We should just spend the LB money on another AM that's not needed.

NukaCola

Agent Coulson wrote: »

I haven't seen him play much but what I read about him yesterday is that he is Moreno Mrk2 but with a better left foot and not a great defender.

Well, he has CL experience, experience at winning titles and international experience also, and has only turned 22.

I wont go into stats because people might get upset but from what I've been told this guy has massive potential and would upgrade our LB significantly. Depending on price could be a good buy.

8-10

NukaCola wrote: »

Well, he has CL experience, experience at winning titles and international experience also, and has only turned 22.

I wont go into stats because people might get upset but from what I've been told this guy has massive potential and would upgrade our LB significantly. Depending on price could be a good buy.

I don't think it's an instant significant improvement at LB. He certainly has a high ceiling of potential but not the solid defensive player most wanted for LB. but at the price he'll go for he's definitely worth the shot. If he comes in it's to split time with Moreno, not to outright replace or be a backup.

In short I'd be happy to get him because of how good he could turn out to be if he takes to the EPL, but he is more Kolarov than Clichy which is why I'm not sure people will see an instant improvement

LuckyLloyd

Karius - Mignolet - Manninger

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Clyne - Flanagan

Sakho - Lovren - Matip - Klavan - Gomez

Moreno - Gomez? - Klavan?

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Can - Lucas

Henderson - Grujic - Milner

Coutinho - Wijnaldum - Lallana

Mane - Markovic - Firmino

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Sturridge - Origi - Ings


Trying to ignore players currently at the club who I'm fairly certain will be loaned out or sold. We still have a glaring need for an upgrade at left full imo. Thereafter, the depth is pretty good, though we arguably have too many players who like to occupy a similar area of the pitch and wouldn't be badly served by one more player comfortable playing high on either touchline.

Being positive, the squad fits slightly better than it did last year, should have enough depth to cope with our fixture list and has been assembled in advance of our first competitive games.

The negatives are that Mane and Wijnaldum simply aren't players who would have been in demand for Champions League level teams. Hopefully Klopp can take them to the next level and they fit what he wants to do. But it's hard to argue that we've made a major relative improvement to the clubs around us on paper.

BullBlackNova

8-10 wrote: »

I don't think it's an instant significant improvement at LB. He certainly has a high ceiling of potential but not the solid defensive player most wanted for LB. but at the price he'll go for he's definitely worth the shot. If he comes in it's to split time with Moreno, not to outright replace or be a backup.

In short I'd be happy to get him because of how good he could turn out to be if he takes to the EPL, but he is more Kolarov than Clichy which is why I'm not sure people will see an instant improvement

That's actually one of the best descriptions of him that I have heard.

I have seen Willems play. He will not make us more defensively sound than Moreno, at least not right away.

I'd give my right arm for a left back equivalent to Clyne but I think it would probably be quite limiting for our attacking play so we're far more likely to see a second attacking full back added on the left than a defensive one.

If it's Willems, fine. If it's anyone else, fine with that too.

As much as I'm sure we'll be kicking ourselves watching Chilwell (or Charlie Taylor of Leeds) in a few seasons, I think we're in a position where we really need someone who is capable of playing regularly now, not a potentially good LB. Willems would give us that while still also having the potential to improve drastically.

Vicxas

BullBlackNova wrote: »

That's actually one of the best descriptions of him that I have heard.

I have seen Willems play. He will not make us more defensively sound than Moreno, at least not right away.

I'd give my right arm for a left back equivalent to Clyne but I think it would probably be quite limiting for our attacking play so we're far more likely to see a second attacking full back added on the left than a defensive one.

If it's Willems, fine. If it's anyone else, fine with that too.

As much as I'm sure we'll be kicking ourselves watching Chilwell (or Charlie Taylor of Leeds) in a few seasons, I think we're in a position where we really need someone who is capable of playing regularly now, not a potentially good LB. Willems would give us that while still also having the potential to improve drastically.

Thought Chillwell played really well yesterday against Celtic, wish we'd go in for him.

Agent Coulson

The club should just go and buy Cresswell a good solid defender with plenty of PL experience and was a youth player at the club.

garra

Vicxas wrote: »

Thought Chillwell played really well yesterday against Celtic, wish we'd go in for him.

Plus we could use his name to meditate on Meltdown Mondays

Harry Palmr

Vicxas wrote: »

Thought Chillwell played really well yesterday against Celtic, wish we'd go in for him.

Agent Coulson wrote: »

The club should just go and buy Cresswell a good solid defender with plenty of PL experience and was a youth player at the club.

About 10m difference to be fair and Cresswell (who took a big bang to a knee yesterday) is first choice at WHU, whereas Chilwell remains a (very good) "prospect" at this stage. If Brad Smith is worth 6m to Bournemouth no one should complain if Chilwell costs 10 million or so.

Agent Coulson

Harry Palmr wrote: »

About 10m difference to be fair and Cresswell is first choice at WHU, whereas Chilwell remains a (very good) "prospect" at this stage. If Brad Smith is worth 6m to Bournemouth no one should complain if Chilwell costs 10 million or so.

£10m is the new £2.5m

Knex*

MD1990 wrote: »

Sky reporting Brad Smith going to Bournemouth for 6m. Decent deal for all parties if true. We surely are buying an LB if thats true.

We're becoming Bournemouth's Southampton. Fair play.

Hollister11

Knex. wrote: »

We're becoming Bournemouth's Southampton. Fair play.

As long as players don't start going from Southampton to Bournemouth via Liverpool, It doesn't bother me.

5starpool

Lloyd - I can't believe you forgot about Ragnar Klavan in your player list.

8-10

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Karius - Mignolet - Manninger

================

Clyne - Flanagan

Sakho - Lovren - Matip - Gomez

Moreno - Gomez?

================

Can - Lucas

Henderson - Grujic - Milner

Coutinho - Wijnaldum - Lallana

Mane - Markovic - Firmino

================

Sturridge - Origi - Ings


Trying to ignore players currently at the club who I'm fairly certain will be loaned out or sold. We still have a glaring need for an upgrade at left full imo. Thereafter, the depth is pretty good, though we arguably have too many players who like to occupy a similar area of the pitch and wouldn't be badly served by one more player comfortable playing high on either touchline.

Being positive, the squad fits slightly better than it did last year, should have enough depth to cope with our fixture list and has been assembled in advance of our first competitive games.

The negatives are that Mane and Wijnaldum simply aren't players who would have been in demand for Champions League level teams. Hopefully Klopp can take them to the next level and they fit what he wants to do. But it's hard to argue that we've made a major relative improvement to the clubs around us on paper.

I think Stewart will also make the squad, he helps with homegrown numbers even if he's not top quality.

I expect Lucas and Markovic to miss out from that list, and add in Klavan. I'd have the 25-man squad as:

Karius - Mignolet - Manninger

Clyne - Gomez - Moreno - Flanagan - New LB

Lovren - Sakho - Matip - Klavan

Can - Henderson - Gruijic - Stewart

Wijnaldum - Mane - Milner - Coutinho - Lallana

Sturridge - Ings - Origi - Firmino

Meaning that there's no spot for the following:

Benteke
Lucas
Allen
Ilori
Balotelli
Wisdom
Markovic
Alberto

And only guy I can see from my 25 that isn't nailed on is Flanagan. For one of the above 8 to get into the PL squad, Flanagan would have to leave. Same with any further signings after a new LB.

Agent Coulson

Isn't Flanagan gone or going to Burnley

5starpool

8-10 wrote: »

I think Stewart will also make the squad, he helps with homegrown numbers even if he's not top quality.

I expect Lucas and Markovic to miss out from that list, and add in Klavan. I'd have the 25-man squad as:



Meaning that there's no spot for the following:

Benteke
Lucas
Allen
Ilori
Balotelli
Wisdom
Markovic
Alberto

And only guy I can see from my 25 that isn't nailed on is Flanagan. For one of the above 8 to get into the PL squad, Flanagan would have to leave. Same with any further signings after a new LB.

I don't think there is a 25 man limit in the squad. That's only for Europe I think, which isn't something that will trouble us this season sadly, and even then, Grujic, Gomez, and Origi (I think) from those would be too young to be included in that anyhow.

5starpool

3 weeks, 75 minutes to PL kickoff for Liverpool. Can't wait!

In 3 weeks we'll be waiting with baited breath for the first team sheets.

8-10

5starpool wrote: »

I don't think there is a 25 man limit in the squad. That's only for Europe I think, which isn't something that will trouble us this season sadly, and even then, Grujic, Gomez, and Origi (I think) from those would be too young to be included in that anyhow.

No there's a 25-man squad limit now for the premier league, though you are correct in mentioning the u-21's that I overlooked.

At least 8 have to be homegrown, any less and the overall squad is reduced (so 7 homegrown = 24 man squad, 6 = 23 and so on)

In my list I had 9 homegrown but take out Flanagan and that's the 8.

Joe Gomez is indeed u-21 and an unlimited number of u-21's can be supplemented to the squad, but I would think if Flanno goes then Gomez will be a full squad member so as to get the 8 homegrown.

Since Gruijic and Origi are u-21 then yep, there's space for Lucas and Markovic + another to take Flanagan's place

Harry Palmr

Liverpool U21s playing Welsh league side Rhyl, after 33 mins they are 3-0 up Wilson, Lennon and Kent on the score sheet.

FT 4-1 to Liverpool Sam Hart added the 4th goal.

BullBlackNova

Agent Coulson wrote: »

The club should just go and buy Cresswell a good solid defender with plenty of PL experience and was a youth player at the club.

Cresswell would be a great signing. The Liverpool Echo included him in a list of potential LB targets for Klopp, though said that West Ham will absolutely never even entertain the potential sale. Shame!

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Isn't Flanagan gone or going to Burnley

Stayed behind from the US trip to consider the move. That he was even given the chance to stay behind to consider a transfer basically nails on the fact that he's leaving. Whether that's Burnley or not is the only thing that has to be confirmed.

5starpool wrote: »

I don't think there is a 25 man limit in the squad. That's only for Europe I think, which isn't something that will trouble us this season sadly, and even then, Grujic, Gomez, and Origi (I think) from those would be too young to be included in that anyhow.

I thought the PL introduced the 25 man squad rule in 2010? 25 man squad incl 8 home grown players, only applicable to those 21 or over. Unless this has changed since? It's basically the entire reason for the English player premium, though!!

LuckyLloyd

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

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Sakho - Lovren - Matip - Gomez



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Can - Lucas

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Klavan too

5starpool

I didn't know the 25 man thing applied in PL too, sorry. That being the case, and with the homegrown thing, I really can't see Henderson being sold as some have suggested.

5starpool

I know it's spelled differently, and probably pronounced differently too, but whenever I see Klavan's name I can't help but think about this fella.



Probably not a reference for the kids in here though.

LuckyLloyd

Oh yeah, Klavan.

What I don't like about the suggestion of letting Markovic go is it leaves you with too many similar players. He is probably not good enough, but in the context of the current squad a different option is good.

El Inho

is anywhere showing INTERNATIONAL CHAMPIONS CUP

Vicxas

El Inho wrote: »

is anywhere showing INTERNATIONAL CHAMPIONS CUP

Sky had it yesterday.

Agent Coulson

El Inho wrote: »

is anywhere showing INTERNATIONAL CHAMPIONS CUP

Sky are showing all games live except those involving utd & Chelsea those teams are showing their games live on their own channels Sky will show them at a delayed time.

SlickRic

5starpool wrote: »

3 weeks, 75 minutes to PL kickoff for Liverpool. Can't wait!

In 3 weeks we'll be waiting with baited breath for the first team sheets.

This reminder got me far too excited. You really would miss the aul' Premier League.

daithijjj

5starpool wrote: »

I know it's spelled differently, and probably pronounced differently too, but whenever I see Klavan's name I can't help but think about this fella.



Probably not a reference for the kids in here though.

cj maxx

daithijjj wrote: »

Logical ðŸ•ðŸ²ðŸº

Harry Palmr

This fella watches more youth football than I do. :pac:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ouLn3sopQ7M

emo72

Are we playing tonight?

Charlie19

emo72 wrote: »

Are we playing tonight?

Not till Thursday.

http://www.liverpoolfc.com/match/2016-17/first-team/fixtures-and-results

Agent Coulson

This is a game I'd like to see.

https://twitter.com/anfieldhq/status/757275891735166976

Jürgen Klopp starts upfront for #LFC tonight. A team of backroom members are taking on staff from Stanford University.

Full Team: Achterberg, French, Howarth, Krawietz, Haughan, Partridge, Kingston, Pons, O'Boyle, Ljinders, Klopp!

8-10

Agent Coulson wrote: »

This is a game I'd like to see.

https://twitter.com/anfieldhq/status/757275891735166976

Richie Partridge finally makes it

Agent Coulson

Totally off topic but since Cliff Clavin is in the thread today I have to say I am enjoying Hop House 13 a lovely beer for this weather.

citytillidie

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Sky are showing all games live except those involving utd & Chelsea those teams are showing their games live on their own channels Sky will show them at a delayed time.

And Liverpool, Liverpool are showing their own games on LFCTV

Agent Coulson

citytillidie wrote: »

And Liverpool, Liverpool are showing their own games on LFCTV

I thought the Liverpool games were on live on both Sky and LFC TV that's a bit of a bummer that they are exclusive to LFC TV.

citytillidie

Agent Coulson wrote: »

I thought the Liverpool games were on live on both Sky and LFC TV that's a bit of a bummer that they are exclusive to LFC TV.

Just going by http://www.liverpoolfc.com/match/2016-17/first-team/fixtures-and-results they have them all marked as LFCTV

Buford T. Justice XIX

Liverpool take Juanma Garcia LB ex Barcelona on trial.

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/liverpool-fc-take-former-barcelona-11657846

Agent Coulson

citytillidie wrote: »

Just going by http://www.liverpoolfc.com/match/2016-17/first-team/fixtures-and-results they have them all marked as LFCTV

Just had a look on the Sky guide and the Chelsea game is the only one not being shown live on Sky for whatever reason.


The Milan and Barca games are live on Sky.

citytillidie

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Just had a look on the Sky guide and the Chelsea game is the only one not being shown live on Sky for whatever reason.


The Milan and Barca games are live on Sky.

I dont have say anymore so maybe as you say sky cant show Chelsea so they cant show that game

Harry Palmr

Buford T. Justice V wrote: »

Liverpool take Juanma Garcia LB ex Barcelona on trial.

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/liverpool-fc-take-former-barcelona-11657846

Played today in 4-1 win over Rhyl.

sword1

Ronnie Whelan says Liverpool will finish in top four ,hope he is right

Agent Coulson

There is the kiss of death to the season