Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours 2016, Mod Warning in OP, 10/7

Harry Palmr

Ciano35 wrote: »

James Milner has retired from international football

International football has retired from James Milner I think you'll find! :pac:

Harry Palmr

Interesting listening to Klopp, his English comprehension has come on a lot since he arrived. Looks like the club is willing to risk a player staying on the books rather than sell them at less than what's regarded as the market value.

On the loans, Brannagan to Wigan is a pity in a way but no Europe makes it necessary I suppose, Allan to Hertha is excellent, them having no EL could have kiyboshed that move. Also Ojo not mentioned so hopefully he is staying.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Interesting listening to Klopp, his English comprehension has come on a lot since he arrived. Looks like the club is willing to risk a player staying on the books rather than sell them at less than what's regarded as the market value.

On the loans, Brannagan to Wigan is a pity in a way but no Europe makes it necessary I suppose, Allan to Hertha is excellent, them having no EL could have kiyboshed that move. Also Ojo not mentioned so hopefully he is staying.

They don't any more - Brondby knocked them out last night.

Harry Palmr

I know, I said could have, they took him anyway.

Spurs and Arsenal games are on ITV4 today, is it a tournament? I bet Liverpool v Barca is on SKY.

Vicxas

Flanagan confirmed off to Burnley on loan

SuperTortoise

Vicxas wrote: »

Flanagan confirmed off to Burnley on loan

Good move for all, he looked off the pace last year which is understandable, hopefully a good season of playing week in week out will bring back the form we know he's capable of.

And...

Je_suis_Jean

Je_suis_Jean wrote: »

The key things from that article are:-...............
“This is my squad now, this time it is my team,” Klopp has said. “There are probably no players here any more I don’t want. There are no signings I didn’t want, we have not sold anyone I didn’t want to.”...........

Quite a few always maintained the squad we had wasn't too bad at all. FSG thought so too which was why Rodgers got sacked after finishing 6th in 2014/2015, if Klopp is being anyway honest/open we can only presume he doesn't think what he inherited is that bad either.

A PL bench with Mignolet, Origi, Milner, Lallana and Henderson is decent, put them on the pitch and you have Sturridge, Mane, Can and Wijnaldum/Mane on the pitch. Options to take Coutinho and Firmino out of the spotlight when they dip in form too. New options at CB too. It's looking very very good.

All considered I must say I am happy that he doesn't seem to want an out and out DM too, a top class CM would be nice but what we have might well be what we need

5starpool

Harry Palmr wrote: »

I know, I said could have, they took him anyway.

Spurs and Arsenal games are on ITV4 today, is it a tournament? I bet Liverpool v Barca is on SKY.

No idea about the Spurs and Arsenal games, but our Barca one is indeed on Sky. The Mainz one is not though. Did Klopp mention anything about potential squads for the games in the presser? I didn't listen to it.

Harry Palmr

Nope, not that I was paying 100% to the whole presser. Arsenal v Liverpool is next weekend so I'm watching tonights gooner game - the starting 11 and bench are pretty appalling, they must be expecting plenty back from the phyiso room in the next seven days.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CpHK4WBXYAADUzw.jpg:large

Iused2likebusts

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Nope, not that I was paying 100% to the whole presser. Arsenal v Liverpool is next weekend so I'm watching tonights gooner game - the starting 11 and bench are pretty appalling, they must be expecting plenty back from the phyiso room in the next seven days.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CpHK4WBXYAADUzw.jpg:large

Its a great time to be playing arsenal even if they have a few more players back they won't have much in the tank. The likes of ozil kos Sanchez Ramsey giroud haven't played a game yet. Liverpool's preparation has been far less disrupted.

Gbear

I was feeling better about that game before we lost Karius, Sakho, Matip, Grujic and Lucas, even if they're all not starters - it leaves the squad thin and vulnerable to any injuries between now and then.

Still, they've failed to make enough key signings they needed to step up a level and will apparently have 10 starters missing for next weeked, so if we can't make something of the game there's no excuses.

Buford T. Justice XIX

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Nope, not that I was paying 100% to the whole presser. Arsenal v Liverpool is next weekend so I'm watching tonights gooner game - the starting 11 and bench are pretty appalling, they must be expecting plenty back from the phyiso room in the next seven days.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CpHK4WBXYAADUzw.jpg:large

Matip is back for us as well and should play over the weekend.

https://twitter.com/pjoyceexpress/status/761547701074948096

Buford T. Justice XIX

Ciano35 wrote: »

James Milner has retired from international football

61 - Since his debut in Aug 2009, only Rooney (63) and Hart (62) won more England caps than James Milner.

https://twitter.com/OptaJoe/status/761586568310251520

5starpool

Iused2likebusts wrote: »

Its a great time to be playing arsenal even if they have a few more players back they won't have much in the tank. The likes of ozil kos Sanchez Ramsey giroud haven't played a game yet. Liverpool's preparation has been far less disrupted.

They are guaranteed to beat us comprehensively then.

KaiserGunner

Gbear wrote: »

I was feeling better about that game before we lost Karius, Sakho, Matip, Grujic and Lucas, even if they're all not starters - it leaves the squad thin and vulnerable to any injuries between now and then.

Still, they've failed to make enough key signings they needed to step up a level and will apparently have 10 starters missing for next weeked, so if we can't make something of the game there's no excuses.

It's not an ideal first game for both teams, with many starters going to be missing. I fancy Liverpool to be the stronger unfortunately, but won't know till the day what both lineups will be really. I don't think the game next Sunday will really tell us too much about the fortunes of both teams going forward this season.

Utopia Parkway

Vicxas wrote: »

Flanagan confirmed off to Burnley on loan

Best of luck to him. Hopefully we have some full-backs in the pipeline as we are very thin at that position after Clyne and Moreno. And the less I see of Moreno the better.

brevity

https://twitter.com/TaintlessRed/status/761639193760137216

One_Of_Shanks

Hi lads. I'm new to the football forum here so a quick hi.
Lifelong Liverpool fan and up til a few years ago a regular at games but the mortgage ended that (for now)

Suppose not much point in my autobiography so I might as well jump right in.

Pretty happy with most of the ins and outs so far. I'm a long way from being a fan of Moreno at LB so that's one area I hope we're going to address.

Very sad to see Flanagan go, albeit on loan. He's as comfortable at LB as RB imo and I have full faith in Klopp but was surprised that he didn't keep Flanno.
It was unfortunate that Flanagan was only coming back from a bad injury when Klopp took over.

Aside from that.... I don't know a lot about Grujic, well I had never heard of him prior to the deal being announced months ago. To be honest.

Delighted with the rest and quietly hoping we can add a LB (should be top priority for me) and ideally another CM if Lucas is really going.

Harry Palmr

Welcome, I'd leave now if I were you. I didn't and now look at me. Obsessed by youth prospects who'll never kick a ball for the senior side and wondering about how to watch games that are meaningless

Training shots, Grujic involved and looking huge.

http://www.gettyimages.ie/search/events/659792521?sort=best&excludenudity=true&phrase=&family=editorial#

54and56

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Interesting listening to Klopp, his English comprehension has come on a lot since he arrived. Looks like the club is willing to risk a player staying on the books rather than sell them at less than what's regarded as the market value.

Market value is what the market will pay. What the club regard as Market value is an opinion which remains just that until confirmed by a firm offer by the market.

Players who are out of the squad, not getting a game or benchwarming quickly lose form and value. Holding onto such an asset is likely to result in further loss of value when actually sold e.g. out of favour player X is valued at £15m by the club. Best offers from the market during the transfer window are £12m so club don't sell. Player sits on bench or on sidelines for six months. Next transfer window with less contract remaining, six months older and no form best offer from market for the player is £8m. Club forced to sell before further loss in value materialises.

Market value is a fact. What the club value the player at is an aspiration.

One_Of_Shanks

Ha! Cheers Harry. And cheers for the pics

Just need a few pics of Mario reaching for a ball now and maybe we can convince someone to take the useless git off us.

More likely to be reaching for a smoke

One_Of_Shanks

Je_suis_Jean wrote: »

Market value is what the market will pay. What the club regard as Market value is an opinion which remains just that until confirmed by a firm offer by the market.

Players who are out of the squad, not getting a game or benchwarming quickly lose form and value. Holding onto such an asset is likely to result in further loss of value when actually sold e.g. out of favour player X is valued at £15m by the club. Best offers from the market during the transfer window are £12m so club don't sell. Player sits on bench or on sidelines for six months. Next transfer window with less contract remaining, six months older and no form best offer from market for the player is £8m. Club forced to sell before further loss in value materialises.

Market value is a fact. What the club value the player at is an aspiration.

Not disagreeing at all but its refreshing to see us playing hardball. We've overspent so many times and got screwed so many times selling.

Suddenly we're actually sitting tight and you know what, we'll get our fee.
Theres so much money in the game right now (brings its own problems but that's a different debate) that we're actually gonna do well this time (assuming we're talking about Benteke here)

K-9

Yeah, I'd say anything about not being afraid to not sell is more a bargaining ploy than anything else. Basically, Palace better stump up the £30 Million or Benteke can play in the reserves. I'd say we'll find a stance like that softening come the 31st of August!

Whatever about Benteke it would be best to pay somebody to take Mario rather than have him hanging around Melwood all season. But barring those 2 Enrique and Skrtel are gone, Lucas wouldn't be a problem in that regard, Allen wouldn't have been either. Seems to be little word about Markovic to see if we are keeping or selling.

54and56

K-9 wrote: »

barring those 2 Enrique and Skrtel are gone

Anyone know what Enruque is doing with himself these days? He's only 30 so there must be some clubs out there who'll give him a trial and possibly a contract on a pay as you play type basis?

Je_suis_Jean

Je_suis_Jean wrote: »

Anyone know what Enruque is doing with himself these days? He's only 30 so there must be some clubs out there who'll give him a trial and possibly a contract on a pay as you play type basis?

EA sports, he's in the game

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

One_Of_Shanks wrote: »

Hi lads. I'm new to the football forum here so a quick hi.
Lifelong Liverpool fan and up til a few years ago a regular at games but the mortgage ended that (for now)

Suppose not much point in my autobiography so I might as well jump right in.

Pretty happy with most of the ins and outs so far. I'm a long way from being a fan of Moreno at LB so that's one area I hope we're going to address.

Very sad to see Flanagan go, albeit on loan. He's as comfortable at LB as RB imo and I have full faith in Klopp but was surprised that he didn't keep Flanno.
It was unfortunate that Flanagan was only coming back from a bad injury when Klopp took over.

Aside from that.... I don't know a lot about Grujic, well I had never heard of him prior to the deal being announced months ago. To be honest.

Delighted with the rest and quietly hoping we can add a LB (should be top priority for me) and ideally another CM if Lucas is really going.

All well and good, but how do you feel about the net spend, pandas and what's your choice of breakfast?

One_Of_Shanks

No idea mate. But I'll never forget that free kick. You just knew that was the ultimate way to say "I'm done lads"

One_Of_Shanks

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

All well and good, but how do you feel about the net spend, pandas and what's your choice of breakfast?

I'm new. Not stupid.

corwill

One_Of_Shanks wrote: »

I'm new. Not stupid.

How about net spend on Pandas' breakfasts? I've heard it's embarrassing.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

One_Of_Shanks wrote: »

I'm new. Not stupid.

Never said you were, now stop sidestepping the key issues, Mr. Trump!

5starpool

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

Never said you were, now stop sidestepping the key issues, Mr. Trump!

Our new poster will make this thread great again.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

5starpool wrote: »

Our new poster will make this thread great again.

... by bulding a wall around it and making Man United pay for it?!

One_Of_Shanks

Yeah I joined to gauge opinion before going for planning permission

BorneTobyWilde

Would like to see Klopp speak of titles like Rafa did. Rafa wanted to be 1st not 4th . He was not afraid to rattle the cages of Man U and Chelsea. Leadership comes from the top and it's the leaders ambition that trickles down through the ranks, having the vibe that 4th is fine is not good.

One_Of_Shanks

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Would like to see Klopp speak of titles like Rafa did. Rafa wanted to be 1st not 4th . He was not afraid to rattle the cages of Man U and Chelsea. Leadership comes from the top and it's the leaders ambition that trickles down through the ranks, having the vibe that 4th is fine is not good.

We were 5th in Rafas first term.
Granted we went and did the impossible in Europe. The IMPOSSIBLE.

But in the league it wasn't so pretty. 5th was especially poor that year coz I THINK everton managed 4th going on memory (could be wrong)

Its a different kettle of fish these days. Well, this coming season nyway.
I don't mind Klopp keeping her low-key.
Sneak 4th this season and I'll be a happy bunny personally.

One_Of_Shanks

5starpool wrote: »

Our new poster will make this thread great again.

Tough crowd.

No I'm just joining to talk about the club, you were all new on here at one stage too

ArmaniJeanss

One_Of_Shanks wrote: »

Tough crowd.

you were all new on here at one stage too

Some more than once.

One_Of_Shanks

Fair nuff. Not me if that's what you meant.

Jesus yee really put new lads to the sword round here

martyos121

One_Of_Shanks wrote: »

Fair nuff. Not me if that's what you meant.

Jesus yee really put new lads to the sword round here

Well if you're not going to rattle off a few in-jokes in your first few posts, it doesn't bode well.

Just say something about buying Reus and playing him at left back or mention the roof truss and you'll survive. Barely. Actually why am I still even here?

NukaCola

martyos121 wrote: »

Well if you're not going to rattle off a few in-jokes in your first few posts, it doesn't bode well.

In fairness he's been here half a season now, no excuses at this stage......

NukaCola

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Would like to see Klopp speak of titles like Rafa did. Rafa wanted to be 1st not 4th . He was not afraid to rattle the cages of Man U and Chelsea. Leadership comes from the top and it's the leaders ambition that trickles down through the ranks, having the vibe that 4th is fine is not good.

Its opinions like this that give us the tag deluded. Add this to your "The CL should be rebooted to allow us in because we are a big club" argument and it seems to me like you are stuck in the past.

Rafa's time and now are different, much more competitive now. We are the 5/6 best team in the league. This is our managers first pre season and you want him to publicly talk about winning titles? 4th is more than fine, unfortunately some people cant accept where we are.

Getting top 4 and strengthening again next season would probably be more realistic surely. We are even outsiders for that.

I'd take a trophy and 5th though if I had to make the choice

mosstin

No interest in stirring an already stirred pot but throwing it out there anyway.

Karius
Klavan
Mané
The Dutch lad from Newcastle
Matip

If any other manager than Klopp had sanctioned those transfers and that was, pretty much, business done for the summer, how would people react?

Personally, because it's Klopp I trust that he knows the players he wants and how they'll work to his system. But, being honest, none of the signings excite me. If any other manager than Klopp had signed those players, how would people view them?

NukaCola

mosstin wrote: »

No interest in stirring an already stirred pot but throwing it out there anyway.

Karius
Klavan
Mané
The Dutch lad from Newcastle
Matip

If any other manager than Klopp had sanctioned those transfers and that was, pretty much, business done for the summer, how would people react?

Personally, because it's Klopp I trust that he knows the players he wants and how they'll work to his system. But, being honest, none of the signings excite me. If any other manager than Klopp had signed those players, how would people view them?

Did he say business was done though?

I would think the majority would have the same opinion as you.

Kerrigooney

mosstin wrote: »

No interest in stirring an already stirred pot but throwing it out there anyway.

Karius
Klavan
Mané
The Dutch lad from Newcastle
Matip

If any other manager than Klopp had sanctioned those transfers and that was, pretty much, business done for the summer, how would people react?

Personally, because it's Klopp I trust that he knows the players he wants and how they'll work to his system. But, being honest, none of the signings excite me. If any other manager than Klopp had signed those players, how would people view them?

Going on the last few years I'd say 2 of them will be brutal...I just wonder which 2...

Kerrigooney

Also,we need to pull the finger out and get this thread wrapped up today. It's been going since April for Christ's sake. I remember when we used to tear through these threads in 3 weeks. It wasn't usually for anything good though

TitianGerm

mosstin wrote: »

No interest in stirring an already stirred pot but throwing it out there anyway.

Karius
Klavan
Mané
The Dutch lad from Newcastle
Matip

If any other manager than Klopp had sanctioned those transfers and that was, pretty much, business done for the summer, how would people react?

Personally, because it's Klopp I trust that he knows the players he wants and how they'll work to his system. But, being honest, none of the signings excite me. If any other manager than Klopp had signed those players, how would people view them?

Matip has been excellent in Germany for the last few years.

Mane looks great and gives a lot more pace and direct running in the final third.

I like Wilj and is very versatile so I'm happy with him.

Karius comes with a great reputation and has amazing hair.

Don't know much about Klavan.

People are complaining about the fees but they are gone bonkers this summer so we should only be looking at what the player brings to the team and not what they cost.

I'm happy with our business so far but I would like to see a left back signed.

Harry Palmr

Exciting signings are overrated. Correct signings are underrated.

8-10

I gotta say that Mané excites me. His pace is incredible and he can finish. I think he'll bring more to the attack than Sterling did, we lacked that outlet last year.

Wijnaldum and Karius are wait-and-see but happy enough with them as it stands.

I'm definitely not going to judge anything before a ball has been kicked. Klopp hasn't been in 12 months yet and this was always going to be the window where he transitions from the previous team to 'his' team so there can be no excuses about that when the season starts.

We've made a lot more signings than many teams in the league, and there's probably a handful more signings and departures to happen, and I reckon by Christmas we'll be able to assess how good/bad the new guys are.

Is Mig 1st choice now for the next while?