Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours 2016, Mod Warning in OP, 10/7

Mr.H

Deleted User wrote: »

Was thinking the very same recently but with a slightly different take on it.

I hated seeing players leave, and Suarez hurt more than any, which is sad considering my age. But I would quickly forget about them as it's the club I support.

However, when you see the list of special players we've sold over the years it made me realise, for the first time, that we are effectively a feeder club for bigger teams. That really saddens me. I was blinded by my desire for LFC.

If the club thought about selling Coutinho, especially at his age, then I would be concerned about their ambition. He's our best player. Why would we sell him ? Even £70 million means nothing as it doesn't guarantee replacing him.

How will we ever win the league again if we spend time finding good players and then have no problem selling them before we get a chance to ADD to the team and get the best years from these players.

It's a nonsense to think we can win the league again without keeping our best players for their best years.

I understand it's possible but it just makes the task harder than it already is. A stance needs to be taken.

When you think about it though the biggest clubs often sell their best players

Kaka, Ronaldo, C Ronaldo, Beckham, Etoo, Ibra, Figo, Viera, Henry, Cesc, Nasri and Im sure we could list a million more.

Selling big players means nothing. Sometimes its because the player wants out. Other times its a means to an end. Life goes on and so do clubs.

The problem is there must be thought behind it.

If I was in charge and I sold Coutinho my line up would change from

Ibe Coutinho Firmino
----Sturridge

to

Mane Gotze Firmino

---

Sturridge

For what its worth I think its a stronger line up but thats only my opinion.

If Klopp sold Coutinho he may have another plan.

The problem is often when we sold players such as Suarez for example, we had no plan. We just bought whoever we could get.

Mr.H

Mr.H wrote: »

When you think about it though the biggest clubs often sell their best players

Kaka, Ronaldo, C Ronaldo, Beckham, Etoo, Ibra, Figo, Viera, Henry, Cesc, Nasri and Im sure we could list a million more.

Selling big players means nothing. Sometimes its because the player wants out. Other times its a means to an end. Life goes on and so do clubs.

The problem is there must be thought behind it.

If I was in charge and I sold Coutinho my line up would change from

Ibe Coutinho Firmino
----Sturridge

to

Mane Gotze Firmino

---

Sturridge

For what its worth I think its a stronger line up but thats only my opinion.

If Klopp sold Coutinho he may have another plan.

The problem is often when we sold players such as Suarez for example, we had no plan. We just bought whoever we could get.

I understand players can move on from any club but the problem starts when you'd prefer not to sell but end up doing so.

I also agree there is ZERO point keeping a player who makes it quite clear he wants to go like Sterling did.

Maybe every club should try harder to keep their players happier and pay them the going rate before it puts their nose out of joint.

I completely agree with your last paragraph too.

corwill

J Mysterio wrote: »

Honestly, I dont know if I can follow this thread anymore. It's great during the season and ive veen contributing regularly for a while now buts its just open season for retarded posts at the moment.

Lets sell our best players!

We dont need Coutinho, Lallana etc.

Do ye actually follow Liverpool? FFS!

Lets sell all our players and buy everyone else! I can't cope.

Something to be said for taking a thread holiday until start of pre-season. Some awful gick here the last few days, and there's little reason to wonder why.

marklazarcovic

Lads ye can just dissapear for a while,no need to announce it

corwill

marklazarcovic wrote: »

Lads ye can just dissapear for a while,no need to announce it

Ah jaysis thanks for the permission, yer fierce good altogether.

Kerrigooney

People getting very tetchy in here.

Didn't take long for the lack of football to drive everyone nuts. We're awful sad really.

OwaynOTT

Lads it's sunny out. Turn off the monitor and go outside and post from your phone.

martyos121

OwaynOTT wrote: »

Lads it's sunny out. Turn off the monitor and go outside and post from your phone.

Tried that once and the glare of that rotten ball of fire in the sky caused me to make a typo that got me banned. True story.

I don't need no vitamin D, I only broke three bones typing this post up.

Kerrigooney

Kerrigooney wrote: »

People getting very tetchy in here.

Didn't take long for the lack of football to drive everyone nuts. We're awful sad really.

Worst in the world!

Kerrigooney

RoboKlopp wrote: »

Worst in the world!

And proud of it.

corwill

OwaynOTT wrote: »

Lads it's sunny out. Turn off the monitor and go outside and post from your phone.

Posting gifs is a pain in the balls on mobile.

OwaynOTT

corwill wrote: »

Posting gifs is a pain in the balls on mobile.

Then you would miss out on stuff



such as that.

Hear, we're trying to poach that kid from Barca.

Agent Coulson

Go out and enjoy the sunshine just like our Panda buddies.

Harry Palmr

The debate about Coutinho is probably already over if the work put out by trusted sources is to be believed.

I'm just happy to have no emotional attachment to players really, they come they go.

Pyjamarama

Harry Palmr wrote: »

The debate about Coutinho is probably already over if the work put out by trusted sources is to be believed.

I'm just happy to have no emotional attachment to players really, they come they go.

As in he's going or staying?!?

Torres was the end of emotional attachment for me. I was legit heartbroken. Never again... i'm happy dying alone.

marklazarcovic

marklazarcovic wrote: »

Lads ye can just dissapear for a while,no need to announce it

Announcing it is fine providing they followed through :cool:
Unfortunately they won't :pac:

Harry Palmr

Pyjamarama wrote: »

As in he's going or staying?!?

Torres was the end of emotional attachment for me. I was legit heartbroken. Never again... i'm happy dying alone.

That he is staying as far as the club are concerned.

Agent Coulson

Looks like we might have agreed a fee with Cologne for Hector now we are in talks with him to see if a deal can be reached.

ricero

Also rumors we have had a bid rejected for leroy sane and are considering making a 2nd bid

Harry Palmr

This is Anfield isn't exactly James Pearce or Paul Joyce (Bad News must be on extended leave or something, it's ages since I saw anything from him), but hopefully it's true about Hector - the left back position now looms in my own mind as the biggest position to upgrade.

As for Sane, I have trouble seeing what he gives for the likely transfer fee. Sooner have Mane to be honest, at least he is oven ready and wouldn't cost more - probably less in fact.

J Mysterio

ThunbergsAreGo

Harry Palmr wrote: »

This is Anfield isn't exactly James Pearce or Paul Joyce (Bad News must be on extended leave or something, it's ages since I saw anything from him), but hopefully it's true about Hector - the left back position now looms in my own mind as the biggest position to upgrade.

As for Sane, I have trouble seeing what he gives for the likely transfer fee. Sooner have Mane to be honest, at least he is oven ready and wouldn't cost more - probably less in fact.

Joyce and echo say Hector rumour is not true

Harry Palmr

Entirely predictable.

Agent Coulson

https://twitter.com/JanAageFjortoft/status/739098479209893889

Kicker asked the Bundesliga-players: Which other club would you like to play for?

The Klopp effect I'd guess.

Andere = Other 20%

Barca 16.2%

Real Madrid 14%

Keine Angaben = No Answer 13.2%

Bayern 10.6%

Liverpool 9.8%

Arsenal 6%

Dortmund 5.1%

Man Utd 5.1%

mosstin

Agent Coulson wrote: »

https://twitter.com/JanAageFjortoft/status/739098479209893889



The Klopp effect I'd guess.

I'd say it's more to do with the fact that they want to play in the city that 'There She Goes' was written than anything else. Possibly.

J Mysterio

Four Liverpool players listed in Europe's top 100 most valuable

Coutinho, Can, Firmino and Ibe named by CIES Football Observatory's latest research

Four Liverpool players are among the 100 most valuable in Europe – according to the CIES Football Observatory.

The Swiss-based research body has released their latest monthly report, detailing the transfer values of players in Europe’s ‘big five’ leagues – England, France, Germany, Italy and Spain.

And a quartet of Jurgen Klopp's Reds feature.

Philippe Coutinho is 27th on the list, with an estimated value of 52.3m Euros (£41m), while Emre Can (£31m) is 59th.

Roberto Firmino (£30m) ranks 65th while, perhaps surprisingly, Jordon Ibe comes in at No.95 with a value of £23.7m – ahead of Borussia Dortmund star Marco Reus

J Mysterio

Ibe £23.7 :pac:

ButcherOfNog

J Mysterio wrote: »

Ibe £23.7 :pac:

Should cash in on that!

5starpool

J Mysterio wrote: »

Ibe £23.7 :pac:

I'd say we'd struggle to get half that if we sold him this summer.

Harry Palmr

Mario Gotze who we are not signing has just scored not scored its an OG. Jonas Hector who we are not signing is also playing.

Agent Coulson

Reus is having a bit of a fall from grace not picked for the German squad again and now ranked behind Ibe.

Sounds like the perfect "Moneyball" signing to me now

Turtyturd

Chandsome a better left back option than Moreno.

Harry Palmr

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Reus is having a bit of a fall from grace not picked for the German squad again and now ranked behind Ibe.

Sounds like the perfect "Moneyball" signing to me now

He is crocked again.

martyos121

So the only logical thing left to do is offer Ibe to Dortmund in exchange for Reus and a couple million.

Kerrigooney

Any of you lads follow @TheKop on Twitter? I know a couple do. Anyway,he got banged up for 27 months for being a bit of a perv.

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/voyeur-took-secret-pictures-video-11426524

Harry Palmr

:pac:

In reply to The Kop
Ü ‏@ThoseScouseLads 32m32 minutes ago

@TheKop update, you're in prison

Hollister11

https://youtu.be/RXb9eIUOekM

Story of our season

klose

Can played left back for germany last night apparently.....

corwill

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/jun/05/jonas-hector-germany-unusual-left-back-philipp-lahm

Interesting bit on Jonas Hector, sounds like a likeable chap. This, though, really shouldn't induce a semi, but it does after watching that other fool at lb the last two years: "The staff may not say it openly, but they love Hector. Not because he is the best player in the world but because he is so incredibly reliable. A player who always stays within himself and remains eager to learn and to improve."

TitianGerm

corwill wrote: »

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/jun/05/jonas-hector-germany-unusual-left-back-philipp-lahm

Interesting bit on Jonas Hector, sounds like a likeable chap. This, though, really shouldn't induce a semi, but it does after watching that other fool at lb the last two years: "The staff may not say it openly, but they love Hector. Not because he is the best player in the world but because he is so incredibly reliable. A player who always stays within himself and remains eager to learn and to improve."

Very like Clyne. I think having a player like that is brilliant in the team. You know they will go out and be solid week in and week out.

5starpool

The higher his profile gets though, the more unlikely we'll get him I reckon, although he doesn't seem like one to move just for money or CL opportunity. He does though seem like the type that might not want to move to a different country which might work against us.

J Mysterio

Confirmed - Allen is the Welsh Pirlo

OwaynOTT

Nah, he's The Liverpool Country Allen.

J Mysterio

Brazillian Allan

WarZ

I'm excited to see how Liverpool get on this season, Klopp has an entire summer to sign a few quality players and prepare for the next season.

dogbert27

Arsenal activating Vardy's 20 million release clause.

Lets start a bidding war, 20 million plus one!! :pac:

Guy:Incognito

WarZ wrote: »

I'm excited to see how Liverpool get on this season, Klopp has an entire summer to sign a few quality players and prepare for the next season.

Other teams will be spending huge money though. It'll be very tough. Mourinho is probably going to spend more than our club is worth.

monkey9

Rachel Allen

WarZ

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Other teams will be spending huge money though. It'll be very tough. Mourinho is probably going to spend more than our club is worth.

It will be most definitely. One thing I respect hugely about Liverpool is that they don't attempt to buy their way to success and instead build a culture. They try to promote from within and when they do sign players a lot of the time they are players that still have a lot to grow and are given time to truly adopt and breathe the club. United have lost their way since the era of Beckham, Scholes, Giggs and Neville. For me they've become another Chelsea or Manchester City.

Klopp is the perfect fit for a club like Liverpool

Hollister11

dogbert27 wrote: »

Arsenal activating Vardy's 20 million release clause.

Lets start a bidding war, 20 million plus one!! :pac:

Our bid would be rejected, but Arsenals wouldn't. The clause only applies to bidders from the Champions League.