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Speed camera query

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  • #52
    topmanamillion
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,383 ✭✭✭topmanamillion


    I'll just add a bit more information I knew there was no one behind me when I breaked.

    Also as far as people saying it's illegal to warn other drivers about speed cams (I'm sure someone will/has already posted up the legislation) how do sat Nav companies get away with having such warnings built into their systems?
    How do the many Social Media pages get away with it?
    And also there's signs along roads which are likely to have vans.
    How is any of that different to flashing lights?


  • #53
    GM228
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,922 ✭✭✭GM228


    sdanseo wrote: »
    It's only illegal to flash if it's a Garda conducting the speed check. GoSafe fish-shooters have absolutely no authority to enforce the law whatsoever and therefore flashing to warn of them is not obstructing a Garda. We don't have an offence entitled "perverting the course of justice" like in the UK.

    That's my understanding, and could be wrong - although I don't expect it is and don't tend to test it.

    People who flash arn't done for obstructing a Garda, they are done for not driving with due care and consideration so that could be applied to any situation really.


  • #54
    wil
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,188 ✭✭✭wil


    GM228 wrote: »
    People who flash arn't done for obstructing a Garda, they are done for not driving with due care and consideration so that could be applied to any situation really.
    that makes no sense whatsoever.

    This however....


  • #55
    GM228
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,922 ✭✭✭GM228


    wil wrote: »
    that makes no sense whatsoever.

    It may not make sense but that's how Gardaí charge people who are caught flashing (flashing itself isn't defined in law), they have even seized vehicles in the past which have flashed other motorists to warn of checkpoints!


  • #56
    wil
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,188 ✭✭✭wil


    GM228 wrote: »
    It may not make sense but that's how Gardaí charge people who are caught flashing (flashing itself isn't defined in law), they have even seized vehicles in the past who flashed people to warn of checkpoints!
    So if I dim and raise my high beams I'll get done for driving without due care etc.
    Utter nonsense.

    I'll need to see a judgement to believe that, and then a breathalyser analysis on same judge.


  • #57
    GM228
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,922 ✭✭✭GM228


    wil wrote: »
    So if I dim and raise my high beams I'll get done for driving without due care etc.
    Utter nonsense.

    I'll need to see a judgement to believe that, and then a breathalyser analysis on same judge.

    Unfortunately it isn't nonsense, it's very much a reality!

    https://twitter.com/GardaTraffic/status/476273935743729664

    https://twitter.com/GerrydeBrun/status/476276529992069120



    https://twitter.com/GardaTraffic/status/476278398835490816

    https://twitter.com/GardaTraffic/status/476280410918633472

    And one of the few cases where someone was done for obstructing a Garda.

    http://m.wexfordpeople.ie/news/driver-fined-e300-for-warning-other-motorists-about-garda-checkpoint-27660331.html


  • #58
    frozenfrozen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,883 ✭✭✭frozenfrozen


    flashing for checkpoints is bad. Not sure how it equals a prosecution for driving without due care and consideration though?


  • #59
    NiallBoo
    Registered Users Posts: 1,504 ✭✭✭NiallBoo


    brendan86 wrote: »
    I was on my way to hospital at 3:30 in the morning, was driving in the speed limit all the way but there was a big long stretch of road for 1km straight as and I was doing 90km in a 80km zone..

    The speed van was pitch black and parked just on edge of yellow line quite dangerous I thought for him be so close to road.

    Why on earth I'm driving for 1 hour and the speed van is parked of a long straight stretch is ridiculous and at 3:30 in morning of a Thursday night!!

    Anyway I suspect since I was 10km over the limit he got one of many easy targets.

    It's there because a lot of people will be going much, much more than 10km over the limit.


  • #60
    sdanseo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,236 ✭✭✭sdanseo


    Bringing it back to the crime - a checkpoint is manned by Gardaí, and obstructing them is a crime. You should not flash for a checkpoint or Gardaí. They're generally checking for people who don't pay tax, no insurance, drink, and other assorted scumbags.
    NiallBoo wrote: »
    It's there because a lot of people will be going much, much more than 10km over the limit.

    Which, in many of the gosafe locations, is not unsafe, and therefore shouldn't be enforced so rigidly.


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  • #61
    wil
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,188 ✭✭✭wil


    frozenfrozen wrote: »
    flashing for checkpoints is bad. Not sure how it equals a prosecution for driving without due care and consideration though?
    Some judge must have a fairly blasé interpretation of due care etc.:rolleyes:
    It's still utter nonsense and makes an ass of the law.


  • #62
    GM228
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,922 ✭✭✭GM228


    frozenfrozen wrote: »
    flashing for checkpoints is bad. Not sure how it equals a prosecution for driving without due care and consideration though?

    The Gardaí/GoSafe personnel etc are using the road for their duties, the person flashing is not giving them reasonable consideration by interfering with their duties, that's the position the Gardaí and courts take according to my brother.
    51A.— (1) A person shall not drive a vehicle in a public place without reasonable consideration for other persons using the place.

    (2) A person who contravenes subsection (1) commits an offence.


  • #63
    frozenfrozen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,883 ✭✭✭frozenfrozen


    Hm ok, not replying to you directly with the following, but it's not really my job to help anyone catch speeders. If I considered it would stop the person from speeding past the van and I decided that yes I would like to warn this person to slow down before getting caught. It would be unreasonable for me to not flash someone to warn them to slow down when that is exactly my intention, and I have considered the consequence for others using the place. It doesn't affect the driver of the gosafe van, it just hurts the company. And since I would be giving reasonable consideration for other persons using the place, I see no issue. Now if the law was to not drive without reasonable consideration for other persons or businesses using the place, then maybe there would be a point.

    As far as I'm concerned the vans are there to catch someone speeding at that exact place during that exact time. Could I legally hold up a sign on the side of the road saying "SLOW DOWN" before this van and not be committing an offence, if so why is it any different to warn others with the use of flashing the lights in a car.

    In my mind a prosecution for driving without due care and consideration in relation to a gosafe van could be to park directly behind the van to obstruct the camera, as you wouldn't be giving reasonable consideration to the person operating the van who would then have to reposition the van or change locations because of your actions while driving.


  • #64
    GM228
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,922 ✭✭✭GM228


    frozenfrozen wrote: »
    It doesn't affect the driver of the gosafe van, it just hurts the company. And since I would be giving reasonable consideration for other persons using the place, I see no issue. Now if the law was to not drive without reasonable consideration for other persons or businesses using the place, then maybe there would be a point.

    In law "person" means both individuals and companies.

    To "not drive without reasonable consideration for other persons" is the exact same meaning as "to not drive without reasonable consideration for other persons or businesses".


  • #65
    frozenfrozen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,883 ✭✭✭frozenfrozen


    So really I should speed up as I go past a gosafe van as it would be inconsiderate to deny them of the income! :D


  • #66
    wil
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,188 ✭✭✭wil


    GM228 wrote: »
    The Gardaí/GoSafe personnel etc are using the road for their duties, the person flashing is not giving them reasonable consideration by interfering with their duties, that's the position the Gardaí and courts take according to my brother.
    As I said already, utter nonsense.
    On that basis almost every driver is committing an offence to the planet.
    They should be pushing their cars around in order to consider the lungs and welfare of every organism, organisation, collective, individual, person and plant.

    And of course, the poor donkeys.:rolleyes:


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  • #67
    0868832875
    Registered Users Posts: 27 ✭0868832875


    0868832875 wrote: »
    0868832875 wrote: »
    Do speed all speed camera vans have cameras at the front ? If I am going slightly over the limit vominh around a bend and slow down immediately on spotting van should I be ok ?.It was on the opposite side of the road facing the direction I was driving towards it. I was doing 60 for most of the journey towards it and past it.I am so careful these days I cannot believe I was so careless[/quote the van was quite close to the bend ....100 m maybe
    The speed limit was 80 and I was doing 85 ....briefly


  • #68
    jimmycrackcorm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,346 ✭✭✭✭jimmycrackcorm


    Bongalongherb wrote: »
    Don't be jamming on if you know that you are already below the speed limit as that is as dangerous for traffic behind you. Just stick with or below the speed limit and you have nothing to worry about and especially work on that hard breaking as that's just asking for trouble.

    I don't think the OP meant or it's generally meant as slamming the brakes on with screeching and smoke billowing from tyres. More that it is unexpected sudden braking.

    It's annoying, but I don't actually have a problem with it as I'd be more concerned that people drive without considering the possibility of having to stop suddenly. If you are caught unawares by someone braking for a speed van then you're probably driving too close to them to react in a real emergency when they would have to brake much harder.


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