Ni-Oh (PS4)

Andrew76

Sephiroth_dude wrote: »

Id love too give this a go but i suck at the souls games

So far I'm finding it more forgiving than Dark Souls, the combat is closer to Bloodborne (and Ninja Gaiden obviously), but it's more enjoyable than both imo - the faster combat and ki pulse mechanic, the environment and the level design. It's really good.

Mainly using a kusarigama at the minute, very cool weapon.

2smiggy

well my order from amazon never came today, pity, was looking forward to playing it tonight !!

Xenji

2smiggy wrote: »

well my order from amazon never came today, pity, was looking forward to playing it tonight !!

I hope you did not Asendia as the carrier.

sticker

Hi All,

I'm a HUGE Bloodbourne / Souls Junkie, so I was delighted to hear of a simular game in Nioh coming out. Then came the reviews and all extremely good.

On this basis, I bought the digital copy today and after an hour of playing, I'm utterly gutted.

I feel the graphics are on a par with the Xbox360 (I have it set to cinema mode) - To put DS3 beside it is night and day different.

Then comes the controls, the faster pace was welcome but I getting some serious guttering - see my video below, the first half was simply pushing forward to move with analogue. The 2nd half of video was hold down sprint (X) - All over the place.

Am I missing something profound here? I understand I've a bit to go into the game but my first impression is extremely poor.

I was open to a great game but left very disappointed.

What are your thoughts? I've a feeling I'm on my own but Its just an honest first impression.

Video on movement -

https://youtu.be/RZtTVn6VrEA

nix

I just see you spamming the run button for the majority of the video.. thats it

The graphics are bloody amazing if you ask me

SkinnyBuddha

not sure what you're doing in that clip sticker but nioh doesn't play like that for me.

sticker

nix wrote: »

I just see you spamming the run button for the majority of the video.. thats it

The graphics are bloody amazing if you ask me

How do you keep a run in place without holding down the run button?

If I'm making a dumb mistake, that's fine but let me know! How do you sustain a run in Nioh?

Thanks

SkinnyBuddha

sticker wrote: »

How do you keep a run in place without holding down the run button?

If I'm making a dumb mistake, that's fine but let me know! How do you sustain a run in Nioh?

Thanks

yeah you hold down x and you run...still don't see the stop/start you have in the clip though.Odd.

nix

Yeah you gotta hold the run button down, same as bloodborne and souls

What way are people equipping their runes? im currently keep the epic ones equipped as more stats, but their defense multiplier is alot lower compared to other ones i have, is the defense multiplier a better priority?

Pickpocket

sticker wrote: »

Hi All,

I'm a HUGE Bloodbourne / Souls Junkie, so I was delighted to hear of a simular game in Nioh coming out. Then came the reviews and all extremely good.

On this basis, I bought the digital copy today and after an hour of playing, I'm utterly gutted.

I feel the graphics are on a par with the Xbox360 (I have it set to cinema mode) - To put DS3 beside it is night and day different.

Then comes the controls, the faster pace was welcome but I getting some serious guttering - see my video below, the first half was simply pushing forward to move with analogue. The 2nd half of video was hold down sprint (X) - All over the place.

Am I missing something profound here? I understand I've a bit to go into the game but my first impression is extremely poor.

I was open to a great game but left very disappointed.

What are your thoughts? I've a feeling I'm on my own but Its just an honest first impression.

Video on movement -

https://youtu.be/RZtTVn6VrEA

I'm not sure what that video is trying to establish but I'm not experiencing movement like that and neither is anyone else (if the reviews and streams are anything to go by).

The game looks fantastic but it's not at its best in the opening hour so perhaps stick with it. But either way you're talking out of your hat comparing it to a 360 game. Okay, it doesn't look as good as DS3 but it's got a better framerate and the combat is vastly more sophisticated. Pros and cons to each game.

This is clearly a 'Souls-like' but people need to get passed that because Nioh is its own thing. It's not perfect, not even close. But it has a lot to offer.

sticker

Pickpocket wrote: »

I'm not sure what that video is trying to establish but I'm not experiencing movement like that and neither is anyone else (if the reviews and streams are anything to go by).

The game looks fantastic but it's not at its best in the opening hour so perhaps stick with it. But either way you're talking out of your hat comparing it to a 360 game. Okay, it doesn't look as good as DS3 but it's got a better framerate and the combat is vastly more sophisticated. Pros and cons to each game.

This is clearly a 'Souls-like' but people need to get passed that because Nioh is its own thing. It's not perfect, not even close. But it has a lot to offer.

I'd be the happiest guy in the room to say I loved this game. It's got everything I adore in a game.. I'm a seasoned player at all souls and Bloodbourne games but I was very disappointed in my first hour. I did not have crazy high expectations also. I'll give it another spin tomorrow. I hope it clicks. Maybe my controller is acting the bollox but that footage is my moving analogue and holding run...

Pickpocket

sticker wrote: »

I'd be the happiest guy in the room to say I loved this game. It's got everything I adore in a game.. I'm a seasoned player at all souls and Bloodbourne games but I was very disappointed in my first hour. I did not have crazy high expectations also. I'll give it another spin tomorrow. I hope it clicks. Maybe my controller is acting the bollox but that footage is my moving analogue and holding run...

Are you holding X to run in that video?

johnny_ultimate

That is absolutely not what the game is meant to play like. The controls are smooth and consistent, and the game plays very well indeed by pretty much any objective measure. Very possibly a controller issue.

That said, I would sympathise with the suggestion that the game is visually a tad underwhelming. Not bad by any stretch and there's some nice sights & design flourishes dotted about, but it doesn't look amazing either. For all the talk about the Fromsoft games' mechanical depth and difficulty level, it's always been the peerless artistry in storytelling and visual/audio design that allows the games to transcend merely being really good action-RPGs. That's the difference I've found lacking in many efforts to emulate the series' strengths.

However, Nioh is its own thing even if it actively courts such comparisons with the Souls games. To a certain degree, it embraces the sort of design philosophy seen in the likes of Team Ninja's own classics and meshes that with a few of the general ideas popularised by the Souls series (and a handful of directly copied mechanics). If it doesn't have that extraordinary 'something' the Souls games have, it is a damn fine action game on its own terms. And also some graphical allowances should be made given its long gestation period - very possible some of its assets were created quite a few years ago now. I'm also willing to forgive some visual 'downgrading' because action mode comprehensively trumps mere resolution.

Xenji

sticker wrote: »

I'd be the happiest guy in the room to say I loved this game. It's got everything I adore in a game.. I'm a seasoned player at all souls and Bloodbourne games but I was very disappointed in my first hour. I did not have crazy high expectations also. I'll give it another spin tomorrow. I hope it clicks. Maybe my controller is acting the bollox but that footage is my moving analogue and holding run...

Throw that aside, I am not sure if you have played any of the Onimusha or Ninja Gaiden games, but Nioh is far more akin in theme and gameplay to those, the Souls comparison is far more cosmetic, but it does feature a few borrowed concepts.

sticker

Thanks all for the replies. Gonna give it another spin today and hope she clicks...

sticker

Not just me then... but no fix as yet. Might be the controller. This might explain the terrible first impression! But I'm sticking to my guns on the aesthetics of the game... I heard it's on a par with Bloodbourne (IGN) - not a kneeling prayer...

Anyway no other games giving me issues so might need a rare bug..

Link to error:

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/amp.reddit.com/r/Nioh/comments/4gunqu/anyone_else_having_issues_with_controls_or_is_it/

Pickpocket

sticker wrote: »

I'm sticking to my guns on the aesthetics of the game... I heard it's on a par with Bloodbourne (IGN)

Where was that said? It's not in their written review. I don't doubt you. It's just a very generous comparison and I'd love to know the context.

sticker

Pickpocket wrote: »

Where was that said? It's not in their written review. I don't doubt you. It's just a very generous comparison and I'd love to know the context.

I course swear it was said in the recent plays live. She definitely said also it was as good looking as DS3.

Anyway... regardless of the aesthetics, I'm hopeful my initial bad impression might be thwarted by a controller fix and some more play.

sweetie

sticker wrote:

Anyway no other games giving me issues so might need a rare bug..

I've had weird controller issues a few times with Bloodborne, as mentioned by someone else on that link you posted.

nix

I think it looks great, it has to mesh a larger colour palette than the comparisons. the dungeons/caves are pretty meh alright, but the outdoor areas are where it shines. And i feel pretty immersed in them, especially the one where its raining heavy and you get jumped by ninjas. the rain making it alot harder to track the fast moving ninjas just added to the horror of the situation.

I just got to a snow level tonight before i logged and think im in for a treat

sticker

sweetie wrote: »

I've had weird controller issues a few times with Bloodborne, as mentioned by someone else on that link you posted.

How did you resolve the controller issue with Bloodbourne?

I wonder if I'm due a replacement controller? I've only had it a couple of years but plenty of mileage clocked!

Anyone know of the cheapest spot to pickup?

I see a guy on adverts advertising repairs... Might be an option too..

Rob2D

Finally got a good go at this last night.

WOW, they really decreased the difficulty A LOT. I noticed a few enemies were completely removed from the first mission. And that first boss was a walk in the park.

Not happy with that kind of pandering TBH.

Great game overall though, hopefully it keeps up.

Edit:
Damn, I didn't realise you don't run out of breath anymore. FFS! Now idiots can just square spam without consequence.

sweetie

sticker wrote:

How did you resolve the controller issue with Bloodbourne?

I only noticed it a few times

sticker

Looking here it might be a controller on the way out... this game must be very sensitive as all other games work fine.

https://www.google.ie/...ne_else_in_the_demo/

Andrew76

nix wrote: »

I think it looks great, it has to mesh a larger colour palette than the comparisons. the dungeons/caves are pretty meh alright, but the outdoor areas are where it shines. And i feel pretty immersed in them, especially the one where its raining heavy and you get jumped by ninjas. the rain making it alot harder to track the fast moving ninjas just added to the horror of the situation.

I just got to a snow level tonight before i logged and think im in for a treat

Snow? Nice!

I agree, I think it's a great looking game. Bloodborne was great too of course but not without it's flaws - crappy loading times and silly immersion breaking rag-doll corpses are two examples where it's weaker.

Rob2D wrote: »

Finally got a good go at this last night.

WOW, they really decreased the difficulty A LOT. I noticed a few enemies were completely removed from the first mission. And that first boss was a walk in the park.

Not happy with that kind of pandering TBH.

Great game overall though, hopefully it keeps up.

Edit:
Damn, I didn't realise you don't run out of breath anymore. FFS! Now idiots can just square spam without consequence.

The first boss being the one

in the ship

? Must've took me close to 10 tries before I got him. Found his first phase the most awkward.

Took my time with that level, really enjoying the combat and it makes farming for amrita a joy. Think I had about 15 samurai points before I noticed the menu where I could spend them. :pac:

A little bit into the cave mission at the minute and only lvl26 I think. Will give it another blast tonight before UFC208.

Grahamer666

Anyone playing this in 4K? I'm preferring the 60fps more I think.

ShaneU

Can a mod change the title of this thread, went looking for a demo and there's none.

Retr0gamer

johnny_ultimate wrote: »

That is absolutely not what the game is meant to play like. The controls are smooth and consistent, and the game plays very well indeed by pretty much any objective measure. Very possibly a controller issue.

That said, I would sympathise with the suggestion that the game is visually a tad underwhelming. Not bad by any stretch and there's some nice sights & design flourishes dotted about, but it doesn't look amazing either. For all the talk about the Fromsoft games' mechanical depth and difficulty level, it's always been the peerless artistry in storytelling and visual/audio design that allows the games to transcend merely being really good action-RPGs. That's the difference I've found lacking in many efforts to emulate the series' strengths.

However, Nioh is its own thing even if it actively courts such comparisons with the Souls games. To a certain degree, it embraces the sort of design philosophy seen in the likes of Team Ninja's own classics and meshes that with a few of the general ideas popularised by the Souls series (and a handful of directly copied mechanics). If it doesn't have that extraordinary 'something' the Souls games have, it is a damn fine action game on its own terms. And also some graphical allowances should be made given its long gestation period - very possible some of its assets were created quite a few years ago now. I'm also willing to forgive some visual 'downgrading' because action mode comprehensively trumps mere resolution.

I'd take Ni-oh's visual downgrade to give consistent 60 FPS over bloodborne's frame drops and frame pacing issues.

sticker

Grahamer666 wrote: »

Anyone playing this in 4K? I'm preferring the 60fps more I think.

Can you switch modes again in-game? I dont see an option after I've chosen cinema mode...

DinoRex

Retr0gamer wrote: »

I'd take Ni-oh's visual downgrade to give consistent 60 FPS over bloodborne's frame drops and frame pacing issues.

Not to mention the speed it loads the game in at. When Bloodborne came out it would take close to a minute to get back in after you died.