Couple are prosecuted for failing to treat son with meningitis

screamer

wes wrote: »

The Doctor that put out the bull **** about vaccines causing Autism, imho has blood on there hands. That lunatics nonsense, has some how managed to spread far and wide, and it helped the lunatic Anti-vaxer movement.

Honestly, I don't even understand the logic. Even if the claim was true, surely a living Autistic child is better than a dead one ffs.

It's said that autism is only diagnosable around the same age the MMR is administered and so its a coincidence rather than a causr. It's sad but I've seen it myself parents who cannot accept their child is autistic and go looking for any reason to blame for it. I think the risks of vaccination is better then the risks of not vaccinating TBH.

The One Doctor

Those parents tortured their child to death by proxy - deliberately. Nasty, ignorant people.

SEPT 23 1989

Cee-Jay-Cee wrote: »

I agree, however when your child is showing symptoms such as that child was, you bring him/her to a doctor, not for a vaccination but for proper treatment.

They allowed their child to die because of their own ignorance and pigheadedness. They were informed by a nurse the child may have meningitis and instead of taking him to a hospital or doctor, they took him to one of their quack colleagues, despite the fact that the poor child was so stiff he couldnt bend his back to sit in a chair and had to lie down on the journey and yet they continued to deny the poor child medical care. They are fully responsible and should be punished to send the message out to other parents that might act in a similar manner to them!

I'm not suggesting that parents should be forced to vaccinate their children, that, I believe is a personal choice but parents (especially those with absolutely no medical training) should ensure their children receive the proper care and attention when their kids are displaying very abnormal and serious medical symptoms.

Oh listen don't get me wrong im talking about forced vaccinations here

those pair of idiots should be done for murder

steddyeddy

screamer wrote: »

I think the vaccination part is more trivial to the fact that these "parents" let their child die......................

The vaccination refusal is a big part of why their child died.

ohnonotgmail

steddyeddy wrote: »

The vaccination refusal is a big part of why their child died.

well no. the vaccination refusal is why their child contacted meningitis. the child died because of the neglect that occurred after it contacted meningitis.

steddyeddy

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

well no. the vaccination refusal is why their child contacted meningitis. the child died because of the neglect that occurred after it contacted meningitis.

Both are the reason the child died.

Samaris

The One Doctor wrote: »

Those parents tortured their child to death by proxy - deliberately. Nasty, ignorant people.

Ignorant, yes. Nasty? No. The court even said in the ruling that there was no suggestion that the parents anything but loved their child. But they were sadly ignorant of modern medicine. You can say it was deliberately, willfully ignorant, but I put a hell of a lot of the blame onto Andrew Wakefield, the "doctor" that started this whole goddamned mess of a vaccine = autism rubbish. And people like Jenny McCarthy who keeps publicising this thoroughly debunked nonsense and scaring well-meaning, poorly educated parents. And then the child suffers. And the families, including the parents that never intended harm to come to them.

I think they were foolish and deluded in persisting with ineffective treatment, although I do note that the child kept appearing to improve before deteriorating again. I suppose the parents kept assuming that their quack treatment was working and he just needed more of it.

Poor kid.

Seems like a good decision.

Hopefully they will now go after the naturopathic "doctor" too. If someone holds themselves out as a doctor and offers daisies to treat meningitis...it's just shocking...

wakka12

Really I don't think its the fault of anybody but the parents, certainly not the governments. Some people just have crazy moron parents and thats the way it is..forced vaccinations is a bit too dystopia like for most peoples tastes I would imagine.

There is something sad about the Facebook letter to the jurors. You would think he might drop the whole campaigning about Government conspiracies, and maybe concentrate on the child they've lost.

enda1

There is no vaccine against viral meningitis

JustShon

enda1 wrote: »

There is no vaccine against viral meningitis

Is the meningitis vaccine we get for a different form then? Or are you denying the efficacy of the vaccine we get?

enda1

JustShon wrote: »

Is the meningitis vaccine we get for a different form then? Or are you denying the efficacy of the vaccine we get?

Oh I'm all for vaccines! Its just that there are many illnesses for which there are no vaccines that can cause meningitis.

JustShon

enda1 wrote: »

Oh I'm all for vaccines! Its just that there are many illnesses for which there are no vaccines that can cause meningitis.

Ah ok, so the "meningitis vaccine" we get is for one / several of those diseases?

enda1

JustShon wrote: »

Ah ok, so the "meningitis vaccine" we get is for one / several of those diseases?

http://www.hse.ie/eng/health/immunisation/pubinfo/babychildimm/vaccprevdisease/menc/

We get vaccinated against bacterial meningitis.

The most common cause of viral meningitis are non-polio enteroviruses for which there is no vaccine.

JustShon

enda1 wrote: »

http://www.hse.ie/eng/health/immunisation/pubinfo/babychildimm/vaccprevdisease/menc/

We get vaccinated against bacterial meningitis.

The most common cause of viral meningitis are non-polio enteroviruses for which there is no vaccine.

Thanks for the info

Samaris

enda1 wrote: »

There is no vaccine against viral meningitis

You're right and wrong on that. There's various causes for meningitis, both bacterial and viral, and there are vaccines for some bacterial causes and some viral causes, but not all of either of them.

enda1

Samaris wrote: »

You're right and wrong on that. There's various causes for meningitis, both bacterial and viral, and there are vaccines for some bacterial causes and some viral causes, but not all of either of them.

I knew someone would get into a semantic argument about this :rolleyes:

What I said is not incorrect in any way. There is a vaccine against mumps for example which could lead to viral meningitis - however there is no vaccine against viral meningitis itself nor against the most common causes of it.

ohnonotgmail

enda1 wrote: »

I knew someone would get into a semantic argument about this :rolleyes:

What I said is not incorrect in any way. There is a vaccine against mumps for example which could lead to viral meningitis - however there is no vaccine against viral meningitis itself nor against the most common causes of it.

Is there not now a vaccine for meningitis B?

enda1

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

Is there not now a vaccine for meningitis B?

That's against some strains of the bacterial illness

steddyeddy

enda1 wrote: »

I knew someone would get into a semantic argument about this :rolleyes:

What I said is not incorrect in any way. There is a vaccine against mumps for example which could lead to viral meningitis - however there is no vaccine against viral meningitis itself nor against the most common causes of it.

True but it doesn't make a person any less of a d1ck for refusing a vaccine that minimises the risk of disease for their child.

enda1

steddyeddy wrote: »

True but it doesn't make a person any less of a d1ck for refusing a vaccine that minimises the risk of disease for their child.

I don't disagree. But in this specific unfortunate case there may not be a causal link.

steddyeddy

enda1 wrote: »

I don't disagree. But in this specific unfortunate case there may not be a causal link.

Actually I am pretty sure the parents took few or zero of the available options that may have minimised the risk involved.

enda1

steddyeddy wrote: »

The vaccination refusal is a big part of why their child died.

steddyeddy wrote: »

Actually I am pretty sure the parents took few or zero of the available options that may have minimised the risk involved.

You're first point bears no substance in fact. The chances are that the underlying cause of the viral meningitis was not something that could be vaccinated against.

I never said they acted appropriately in any way, so don't twist my words thanks.

Of course they should have vaccinated their child but the child could well still have contracted the illness which caused its viral meningitis. Then the parents acted horribly in not bringing the child to medical professionals promptly.

It is gross ignorance of medicine and vaccinations specifically which leads people like them to take such poor and costly decisions. Everyone on this thread seems aghast at the parents which is great and are openly mocking their ignorance, but on the other hand there seems to be huge ignorance as to the efficacy and application of these vaccines.

Education is clearly lacking on both sides.

ohnonotgmail

enda1 wrote: »

That's against some strains of the bacterial illness

It was bacterial meningitis that the kid died from.

enda1

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

It was bacterial meningitis that the kid died from.

Oh, I hadn't realised that, I thought I'd read he'd died of viral.

Soz steadyeddy above, jumped the gun.