Rough Sleeper Passes Away

pablo128

At the risk of sounding insensitive, what was this unfortunate chap thinking?
http://killarneydaily.com/kerryman-found-dead-st-stephens-green-laid-rest-today/

It appears he came up to Dublin to watch a GAA final his county were playing in, somehow decided to sleep rough that night and froze to death. Hopefully these type of incidents are rare.

Is this a thing now? I mean, have lads been coming up for some match or other and deciding 'fcuk paying for a hotel room, I'll just find a quiet spot to kip until the bus/train tomorrow?

kneemos

Nothing about freezing to death in the article?

Mongfinder General

Nothing new at all about that. However, you'd usually make sure that you've got a spot in a bus/train/airport

SEPT 23 1989

Arrive at a city to watch a mattch no accomodation only enough money for drink

Great times certainly not unusual

Bloke was unlucky that's all

gctest50

pablo128 wrote: »

and froze to death.

maybe not

The cause of his death is not clear. It was not a particularly cold night, according to Met Éireann, with a minimum air temperature of 6.3 degrees and a minimum ground temperature of 5.2 degrees, recorded at the nearest station in the Phoenix Park.

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/man-found-dead-in-stephen-s-green-was-up-for-gaa-match-1.2630062

Slydice

RIP

Zillah

6 degrees is plenty cold to get hypothermia, especially if you're A) in contact with the ground, drunk, and C) asleep.

Gannicus

Not uncommon at all. I have aquaintances that go to gigs all around Europe. The just hang out/sleep in bus/train station or airports. If there's nowhere to sleep around they'll find a park bench and try score some booze.

pablo128

Really? Jaysus I must have been sheltered as a child. If I intended going away somewhere for a gig or match or something, I'd always make sure I had somewhere to stay beforehand.

On reflection, if there was a few people with the same intention and the promise of good weather, I can kinda see the attraction. More beer money for a start. But on my own? Not a chance.

lawlolawl

I work in public transport and a daily occurrence is people "just showing up" at random times looking for a way to get home after an event/trip when the last service going their way was hours ago.

They usually just sort of act like it's your fault they didn't plan properly and are now stuck in a strange city for the evening with just the clothes on their back.

Couldn't live like that myself.

Ally Dick

I've seen older men going to England for football matches, with just the clothes on their back, and no bags.....and many of them are away for the full weekend.....the mind boggles

Little CuChulainn

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Arrive at a city to watch a mattch no accomodation only enough money for drink

Great times certainly not unusual

Bloke was unlucky that's all

Spending your cash on drink instead of accommodation or a way home is not bad luck.

Lyaiera

I know there's one in Cork, but how common are 24 hour cafés/internet cafés? I almost did it once, when there was a real risk of not getting a bus home because of overbooking. Internet cafés are warm, there's tea and coffee there usually. You generally get an ok chair, and you can spend your night messing about on the web. I often spent all night in an internet café playing games as a teenager. €10 for midnight until 8am or so. Although that was a social thing and not because I had nowhere to go.

LollipopJimmy

I was talking about this last night while out on the soup run. Apparently he had availed of a sleeping bag from one of the volunteer runs, but was found lying clutching the blooming thing.
The bags we give out are really heavy and designed to be used outdoors. So sad

pablo128

I worked in Holland back in '95 and '96. 2 of us went up to Amsterdam one weekend and went to a rave until 6 am. When it was over, we stumbled about for a bit until the first train back to where we were staying. That was probably the closest I've come to winging it.:o

HensVassal

Spare a thought for the poor homeless fella who found him. Like he hasn't enough stress and strain on him being homeless he now has to deal with the trauma of discovering a dead body. His poor nerves must be in shreds.

Bobby Baccala

I thought this was about the boardsie that goes by the name of Rough Sleeper :pac:

caille

I never did it myself but it was very common when I was going to gigs and concerts, with male relatives and friends particularly. I nearly got caught out a few times myself with money and having not booked somewhere and knew where the all-night internet cafes were, just in case (I remember two being around).

The main rule though, was, you just didn't stay outside for the night, regardless of the season, for safety reasons, you found somewhere indoors, never outdoors.

Birneybau

P4DDY2K11 wrote: »

I thought this was about the boardsie that goes by the name of Rough Sleeper :pac:

Gas alright

poa

pablo128 wrote: »

At the risk of sounding insensitive, what was this unfortunate chap thinking?
http://killarneydaily.com/kerryman-found-dead-st-stephens-green-laid-rest-today/

It appears he came up to Dublin to watch a GAA final his county were playing in, somehow decided to sleep rough that night and froze to death. Hopefully these type of incidents are rare.

Is this a thing now? I mean, have lads been coming up for some match or other and deciding 'fcuk paying for a hotel room, I'll just find a quiet spot to kip until the bus/train tomorrow?

Insensitive?
Spare a thought for his mother and father; 4 sisters and 3 brothers.
You are a disgrace mocking a dead man like that.
What was he thinking?
He was thinking I want to see my team play football and have a few pints.
Is this a thing now?
Yes now, and in the past, and for a long time. Wake up.
Lads have gone all over the country, and Europe, and the world; to see their favourite team/band/gig, etc. Have a good session, then sleep it off; and make their way home after.
Some of us live on the edge, take risks, live life to the full, and that means stepping out of our comfort zone; mammy home, and the hotel.
The others umbilical cords don't stretch far enough, and they play it safe and check into that hotel like mammy said.
I feel sorry for the lad, and his family. What happened to him could have happened to me or my friends over the years many times.
I pity any man that would mock a dead man like you are.
The shame is all on you, not him.

Birneybau

poa wrote: »

Insensitive?
Spare a thought for his mother and father; 4 sisters and 3 brothers.
You are a disgrace mocking a dead man like that.
What was he thinking?
He was thinking I want to see my team play football and have a few pints.
Is this a thing now?
Yes now, and in the past, and for a long time. Wake up.
Lads have gone all over the country, and Europe, and the world; to see their favourite team/band/gig, etc. Have a good session, then sleep it off; and make their way home after.
Some of us live on the edge, take risks, live life to the full, and that means stepping out of our comfort zone; mammy home, and the hotel.
The others umbilical cords don't stretch far enough, and they play it safe and check into that hotel like mammy said.
I feel sorry for the lad, and his family. What happened to him could have happened to me or my friends over the years many times.
I pity any man that would mock a dead man like you are.
The shame is all on you, not him.

Oh, give over.

Saipanne

poa wrote: »

Insensitive?
Spare a thought for his mother and father; 4 sisters and 3 brothers.
You are a disgrace mocking a dead man like that.
What was he thinking?
He was thinking I want to see my team play football and have a few pints.
Is this a thing now?
Yes now, and in the past, and for a long time. Wake up.
Lads have gone all over the country, and Europe, and the world; to see their favourite team/band/gig, etc. Have a good session, then sleep it off; and make their way home after.
Some of us live on the edge, take risks, live life to the full, and that means stepping out of our comfort zone; mammy home, and the hotel.
The others umbilical cords don't stretch far enough, and they play it safe and check into that hotel like mammy said.
I feel sorry for the lad, and his family. What happened to him could have happened to me or my friends over the years many times.
I pity any man that would mock a dead man like you are.
The shame is all on you, not him.

Welcome to our modern, blameless society.

poa

pablo128 wrote: »

Really? Jaysus I must have been sheltered as a child. If I intended going away somewhere for a gig or match or something, I'd always make sure I had somewhere to stay beforehand.

On reflection, if there was a few people with the same intention and the promise of good weather, I can kinda see the attraction. More beer money for a start. But on my own? Not a chance.

Did mammy give you a lift from D4 to Electric Picnic in the Cayenne, or did daddy fly you down in his chopper?

pablo128

poa wrote: »

Insensitive?
Spare a thought for his mother and father; 4 sisters and 3 brothers.
You are a disgrace mocking a dead man like that.
What was he thinking?
He was thinking I want to see my team play football and have a few pints.
Is this a thing now?
Yes now, and in the past, and for a long time. Wake up.
Lads have gone all over the country, and Europe, and the world; to see their favourite team/band/gig, etc. Have a good session, then sleep it off; and make their way home after.
Some of us live on the edge, take risks, live life to the full, and that means stepping out of our comfort zone; mammy home, and the hotel.
The others umbilical cords don't stretch far enough, and they play it safe and check into that hotel like mammy said.
I feel sorry for the lad, and his family. What happened to him could have happened to me or my friends over the years many times.
I pity any man that would mock a dead man like you are.
The shame is all on you, not him.

Get to fcuk. Where did I mock him? I expressed my surprise that someone would do such a thing. I'm still surprised to be honest. You are mocking people who DON'T sleep rough, as it happens. Umbilical cord this, mammy that, comfort zone etc.

Omackeral

poa wrote: »

Insensitive?
Spare a thought for his mother and father; 4 sisters and 3 brothers.
You are a disgrace mocking a dead man like that.
What was he thinking?
He was thinking I want to see my team play football and have a few pints.
Is this a thing now?
Yes now, and in the past, and for a long time. Wake up.
Lads have gone all over the country, and Europe, and the world; to see their favourite team/band/gig, etc. Have a good session, then sleep it off; and make their way home after.
Some of us live on the edge, take risks, live life to the full, and that means stepping out of our comfort zone; mammy home, and the hotel.
The others umbilical cords don't stretch far enough, and they play it safe and check into that hotel like mammy said.
I feel sorry for the lad, and his family. What happened to him could have happened to me or my friends over the years many times.
I pity any man that would mock a dead man like you are.
The shame is all on you, not him.

The poster didn't mock him once. Do you know what mock means? As for your 'shame' comments, utterly bizarre.

pablo128

poa wrote: »

Did mammy give you a lift from D4 to Electric Picnic in the Cayenne, or did daddy fly you down in his chopper?

No. My father gave us a lift up the mountains in his Hiace and we went camping in tents, smartarse. We didn't just lie on the fcuking ground and hope for the best.

Zillah

poa wrote: »

Some of us live on the edge, take risks, live life to the full, and that means stepping out of our comfort zone; mammy home, and the hotel.

Trying to glamorise sleeping in a park is a little absurd. You're not skydiving, you're not exploring the arctic, you're not changing career; you're sleeping rough - nothing "on the edge" about it.

Zillah

poa wrote: »

Did mammy give you a lift from D4 to Electric Picnic in the Cayenne, or did daddy fly you down in his chopper?

You're the guy who shamelessly plans to live on the dole for the rest of his life, right? Not sure you're in much of a position to mock someone else for a sense of entitlement.

eeguy

Saipanne wrote: »

Welcome to our modern, blameless society.

Just waiting for someone to blame the government or "society" for this poor chaps decisions.

razorblunt

eeguy wrote: »

Just waiting for someone to blame the government or "society" for this poor chaps decisions.

A quick google of the poor fella in question means something else might get blamed.

mahoganygas

Years ago something similar almost happened to my friend.
He was out on the lash in the city centre at christmas. This was before deregulation so taxis were few and far between. He queued for two hours at a taxi rank before finally getting a taxi home.

The taximan him woke him up in the back seat and let him out. He then discovered that he left his keys in the taxi.
His girlfriend was asleep upstairs, but couldn't hear him banging on the door.
Eventually he climbed into the back garden and fell asleep on the stone slabs. Luckily there was an old carpet in the garden and he had the sense to wrap himself up in the carpet.
He woke up in the morning with 2 inches off snow all around him.
If the carpet wasn't there god knows what would have happened to him.

It's very easy to make silly mistakes when you're drunk and knackered.

Birneybau

Zillah wrote: »

You're the guy who shamelessly plans to live on the dole for the rest of his life, right? Not sure you're in much of a position to mock someone else for a sense of entitlement.

A modern day Bukowski. Though he didn't live off the State.

cowboyBuilder

I remember back in college a fella a year or 2 behind me was out for some Christmas party ,
he left his coat in the cloakroom and left the nightclub, he went back to get it but
the prick bouncers didn't let him in.
He decided to sleep in a park somewhere and died.

Really sad - think they named a lab after him in the college.

edbrez

If only there was a 24-hour McDonalds nearby.

Mr. CooL ICE

poa wrote: »

Insensitive?
Spare a thought for his mother and father; 4 sisters and 3 brothers.
You are a disgrace mocking a dead man like that.
What was he thinking?
He was thinking I want to see my team play football and have a few pints.
Is this a thing now?
Yes now, and in the past, and for a long time. Wake up.
Lads have gone all over the country, and Europe, and the world; to see their favourite team/band/gig, etc. Have a good session, then sleep it off; and make their way home after.
Some of us live on the edge, take risks, live life to the full, and that means stepping out of our comfort zone; mammy home, and the hotel.
The others umbilical cords don't stretch far enough, and they play it safe and check into that hotel like mammy said.
I feel sorry for the lad, and his family. What happened to him could have happened to me or my friends over the years many times.
I pity any man that would mock a dead man like you are.
The shame is all on you, not him.

poa wrote: »

Did mammy give you a lift from D4 to Electric Picnic in the Cayenne, or did daddy fly you down in his chopper?

Mod: Don't post in this thread again

LollipopJimmy

edbrez wrote: »

If only there was a 24-hour McDonalds nearby.

They throw you out after a short while, there's very little by the way of places to stay, there are internet cafes that allow people to stay all night for a small fee, we bring them in some food and things as part of the run. I'd imagine he was left with no other option

My attitude towards homelessness has been completely changed since becoming involved in helping, I've seen now how dangerous hostels can be and how hard it is to get the basics. Of course addiction plays a huge part in it but the help isn't there. Waiting lists to get into addiction centres are as long as a long thing. If I lived on the streets I'd need something to get me through the night too.

With that said I'll happily take donations of clothes/food from anybody to distribute so if anybody has anything please drop me a PM

Strumms

Gannicus wrote: »

Not uncommon at all. I have aquaintances that go to gigs all around Europe. The just hang out/sleep in bus/train station or airports. If there's nowhere to sleep around they'll find a park bench and try score some booze.

Why the **** would anyone do that ? Where is the comfort and enjoyment in that ?... Enjoy the gig for an hour and a half and spend another 12 hours or whatever freezing your bollocks off and fighting hypothermia on a park bench ? You'd have to be some ****in eejit in fairness...

I also go to a lot of gigs around Europe and if I don't have the money to get a bed in a poxy b&b at the very least I just don't go... madness... :rolleyes:

poa

pablo128 wrote: »

No. My father gave us a lift up the mountains in his Hiace and we went camping in tents, smartarse. We didn't just lie on the fcuking ground and hope for the best.

Your father drove a Hiace you say. Are you a traveller? They seem to like them.

tomwaterford

poa wrote: »

Your father drove a Hiace you say. Are you a traveller? They seem to like them.

Even if he is a traveller...what difference does it make ??

lawlolawl

poa wrote: »

Your father drove a Hiace you say. Are you a traveller? They seem to like them.

You really are just a deeply unpleasant person.

ScumLord

The only time I slept on the street was in Spain before La tomatina. It would have only been a couple of hours and there's no danger of freezing to death over there.

In Ireland if I get stuck I'd stay awake, I wouldn't be able to sleep in the cold.

bodhrandude

RIP to that lad it can happen to anyone, its happened to me once or twice in my life, it could be a missed connection coming from the airport due to any set of circumstances. Bus Eireann used to have stupid times for finishing in connections to other parts of the country with last buses at 7.30 - 8 pm, unless it was en route to Dublin. Its much more improved now with additional bus services such as Aircoach, Citylink and Gobus, even Bus Eireann has improved their connections. Anyway back on topic, its no joke been caught out in a city with no cash, accommodation and a useless bus ticket.

punisher5112

Ireland is a very small island and can't see how anything like that could happen.

Parents, siblings and friends I am sure would rather go out of the way to pick up someone in such circumstances.

Whole thing is bizarre and stupid.

R.i.p to the guy but hopefully an eye opener to others that they don't try it themselves.

colm_mcm

A quick google of his name and address throws up something completely unexpected. Not sure if it's appropriate to post a link, or whether it's relevant.
Either way, it's an awful thing to happen and RIP to the poor guy.

endacl

Nicolas Cage wrote: »

Mod: Don't post in this thread again

poa wrote: »

Your father drove a Hiace you say. Are you a traveller? They seem to like them.

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corner of hells

LollipopJimmy wrote: »

I was talking about this last night while out on the soup run. Apparently he had availed of a sleeping bag from one of the volunteer runs, but was found lying clutching the blooming thing.
The bags we give out are really heavy and designed to be used outdoors. So sad

Who do you do the soup run for ?

LollipopJimmy

corner of hells wrote: »

Who do you do the soup run for ?

I'd rather not say in public if you don't mind. If you'd like to get involved I can advise by PM

corner of hells

LollipopJimmy wrote: »

I'd rather not say in public if you don't mind. If you'd like to get involved I can advise by PM

Thats ok , I work in homeless services and Im interested in what you know about hostels being dangerous... Theres quite a few types of hostels from CWI to TEA , One nigh only and so on ...I've worked in drug services too and while hostels are not for the faint hearted to make a very generalized statement that they are dangerous is unfair to people that live in them and work in them.

edbrez

corner of hells wrote: »

Who do you do the soup run for ?

Campbells.

corner of hells

edbrez wrote: »

Campbells.

Most likely.