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Taught Masters Degree by Thesis

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  • 01-05-2016 2:35pm
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    Hunter101
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    Hi all, need a bit of knowledge from the people on here.

    I completed a Higher Cert. in Business Studies a few years ago, took a year out, went back for the L7 and failed some exams that I didn't go back and repeat. Stupid I know but at the time I was only in employment where it didn't matter and wasn't sure how life would play out. Now I am in a different position where I can go back online and redo the L7 and continue on to the L8 and then some. Thankfully life has shown me how difficult it can be and I want to improve my opportunities. I have seen that the L8 is called a Taught Masters Degree by Thesis, but I am now exactly sure what this means, is it a L8 or higher level?

    My question is can I continue with my plan and complete my degree online and after that is there a route that I can qualify as and become a Lecturer in a Third Level Institution?

    Any help on this matter would be greatly appreciated.


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    Tom Dunne
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    Are you sure it's a Masters degree? Level 8 on the National Framework is either a Bachelor's degree, or a higher diploma (see here for details: http://www.nfq-qqi.com/).

    As a side note, while a Level 8 degree is a minimum to lecture, in reality a Level 9 is an absolute must for ITs, Level 10 (PhD) is usually required for universities.


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    Hunter101
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    Hi Tom, its called a Taught Masters Degree by Thesis on the IT Sligo website. Would you have any information about how to get a L9 or Higher online? Also would the fact that I studied online or failed a year stop me from becoming a lecturer?

    P.S. Thanks for the advice and I'll have a look at the link now


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    Tom Dunne
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    Hunter101 wrote: »
    Hi Tom, its called a Taught Masters Degree by Thesis on the IT Sligo website.

    Is it this one: https://itsligo.ie/courses/msc-in-marketing-onlineblended/

    If so, that's as I suspected, a Level 9, not a Level 8. And if you look at the entry requirements, you need a Level 8 degree to enroll in it.
    Hunter101 wrote: »
    Would you have any information about how to get a L9 or Higher online?

    Have a look at the various ITs/Universities - a lot of them do such courses.
    Hunter101 wrote: »
    Also would the fact that I studied online or failed a year stop me from becoming a lecturer?

    While I don't think it would necessarily stop you, how would you compare to other candidates that have passed first time? Would you explain to your students that you failed a year? Or would you hide it and hope they don't find out?

    In reality, it is a combination of factors, including relevant industry experience (I would say at an absolute minimum five years), prior teaching experience, publishing record and qualifications. So getting the taught masters is really only the first step.


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    Keane2baMused
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    If this is it its a level 8.

    https://itsligo.ie/courses/bachelor-of-business-hons-online/

    You will then need an MSC (minimum) after to become a lecturer


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    Hunter101
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    Keane2baMused wrote: »
    If this is it its a level 8.

    https://itsligo.ie/courses/bachelor-of-business-hons-online/

    You will then need an MSC (minimum) after to become a lecturer

    Hi Keane2baMused, would you know if IT Sligo offers such a qualification or anywhere else, that is if its available online at all?


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    Hunter101
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    Tom Dunne wrote: »
    Is it this one: https://itsligo.ie/courses/msc-in-marketing-onlineblended/

    If so, that's as I suspected, a Level 9, not a Level 8. And if you look at the entry requirements, you need a Level 8 degree to enroll in it.



    Have a look at the various ITs/Universities - a lot of them do such courses.



    While I don't think it would necessarily stop you, how would you compare to other candidates that have passed first time? Would you explain to your students that you failed a year? Or would you hide it and hope they don't find out?

    In reality, it is a combination of factors, including relevant industry experience (I would say at an absolute minimum five years), prior teaching experience, publishing record and qualifications. So getting the taught masters is really only the first step.

    I think its a lower one than that Tom, its the one Keane2baMused posted.


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    Keane2baMused
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    Hunter101 wrote: »
    Hi Keane2baMused, would you know if IT Sligo offers such a qualification or anywhere else, that is if its available online at all?

    Have you looked at the Open University? they offer thousands of courses and you can do it on a module by module basis


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    Hunter101
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    Keane2baMused wrote: »
    Have you looked at the Open University? they offer thousands of courses and you can do it on a module by module basis

    Thank you once agaon. Ill have a look at it in the morning, have the day off so plenty of free time


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    dingding
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    That looks like an error on the website.

    This is a standard level 8 business degree over 2 years with no dissertation, the dissertation is done as part of the level 7.


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    Tom Dunne
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    Hunter101 wrote: »
    Hi Tom, its called a Taught Masters Degree by Thesis on the IT Sligo website. Would you have any information about how to get a L9 or Higher online? Also would the fact that I studied online or failed a year stop me from becoming a lecturer?

    As dingding says, that looks like a typo on the website.
    Keane2baMused wrote: »
    If this is it its a level 8.

    https://itsligo.ie/courses/bachelor-of-business-hons-online/

    You will then need an MSC (minimum) after to become a lecturer

    Technically, the job spec requires a Bachelor's degree, plus three years post-grad experience to lecture at an IT.

    However, as I have said above, realistically, you would need an MSc.


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    Keane2baMused
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    Tom Dunne wrote: »
    As dingding says, that looks like a typo on the website.



    Technically, the job spec requires a Bachelor's degree, plus three years post-grad experience to lecture at an IT.

    However, as I have said above, realistically, you would need an MSc.

    You haven't a hope in hell of getting a lecturing post with the above.

    Hence my advice of needing an MSc minimum


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    Tom Dunne
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    Keane2baMused wrote: »
    You haven't a hope in hell of getting a lecturing post with the above.

    Hence my advice of needing an MSc minimum

    And hence why I gave the exact same advice:
    Tom Dunne wrote: »
    As a side note, while a Level 8 degree is a minimum to lecture, in reality a Level 9 is an absolute must for ITs, Level 10 (PhD) is usually required for universities.

    I think the confusion is arising out of the typo on the IT Sligo website - it is Level 8, it is not a taught masters.


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    dingding
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    Tom Dunne wrote: »
    As dingding says, that looks like a typo on the website.



    Technically, the job spec requires a Bachelor's degree, plus three years post-grad experience to lecture at an IT.

    However, as I have said above, realistically, you would need an MSc.

    Also it is likely that preference would be given to someone with a level 10 qualification or making progress to getting one


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    Hunter101
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    Thanks for the info guys, will have a long road ahead of me but when God made time he made plenty of it. Cheers for all the advise, ill just have to start at the beginning and see where I get to, but as Conor Mc Gregor said, if your dreams dont scare ya, then their not big enough


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    Tom Dunne
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    Hunter101 wrote: »
    Thanks for the info guys, will have a long road ahead of me but when God made time he made plenty of it. Cheers for all the advise, ill just have to start at the beginning and see where I get to, but as Conor Mc Gregor said, if your dreams dont scare ya, then their not big enough

    A couple of pointers that may help you from my own experience:
    • as we have said above, aim for an MSc
    • keep an eye on the papers in August/early September for part-time lecturing positions, particularly in the evenings
    • Get into some role in your own job where you train people,
    • Ensure you get plenty of relevant experience. Look at what the colleges are teaching, see what subjects you could potentially teach

    and never give up. It is a particularly fulfilling job, you are always making a difference to people's lives.


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    Keane2baMused
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    Hunter I'm not sure if it's an option for you but the NCIRL have started doing a fast track 2 year BA in HR Management (qqi approved)They also have a fast track marketing one now which is awaiting qqi approval.

    It's done in two years due to the shorter holiday periods.

    Two evenings a week and some online/home study

    If you're a mature student you won't need to go back and finish your L7 it's based on your application.


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    Hunter101
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    Keane2baMused wrote: »
    Hunter I'm not sure if it's an option for you but the NCIRL have started doing a fast track 2 year BA in HR Management (qqi approved)They also have a fast track marketing one now which is awaiting qqi approval.

    It's done in two years due to the shorter holiday periods.

    Two evenings a week and some online/home study

    If you're a mature student you won't need to go back and finish your L7 it's based on your application.

    That might not suit but HR is an area I would have aninterest in so Ill look into that too. Once again thank you very much.:)


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