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Dublin Marathon 2016 - Mentored Novices Thread
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I wasn't going to bother with this, as I don't plan to be as active this year in the thread as I was last year, as I don't want to get in the way of the real novices!
Have you raced before? If so what are your PBs? (Date and distance please!)
I'm started back with the C25K in about Feb 2014, so just over 2 years ago. Before that, I was very inactive, and hadn't done any sport or real exercise in close to 17 years (I was only 31 when I went back so that's slightly embarrassing!)
5k 25:56 Dec 2015 Birdhill Turkey Run
10 k 53:18 May 2016 Limerck (Technically, a six mile, and I wasn't racing full tilt either, so this is a soft PB. I don't do a lot of 10k races, normally did half marathons last year)
Half M 2:03:29 Sept 2015 Dublin
Full M 4:46:30 Oct 2015 Dublin
Do you still need to take walk breaks in your training? (No problem if you do)
No
How much training do you currently do ? Distances, how many days a week, cross training - whatever you think is relevant to your current fitness level.
My fitness is quite decent, I think. I had a quiet start to the year, and barely did enough to tip over in Jan/Feb. Back to basics for the month of March in order to get my base back up before DCM training. Up to about 28 miles a week running now.
What do you want to achieve? Dream finishing time and realistic finishing time? Or just complete it in no specified time?
My aim last year was 4:30. I had a tough last 8 miles and was thereabout until then. My aim this year is still the 4:30.
How many days a week can you train? And what plan do you intend to follow?
I'm currently doing 5 days a week, and wont' be changing this downwards. I might throw in the odd recovery run if I feel okay after any long runs.
Why are you running this marathon?
Because I forgot how painful it was?
Chrislad! It feels odd to welcome you to the Novices 2016 thread since you were already an established Novice of 2015 when I joined (or at least that's how I seem to remember it).
What plan are you following? I think your routine is perfect for the boards plan, and I also think you have enough miles in the legs already to follow it.
Are you planning to come up for this year's HM? I recall writing a "preview" saying that the Upper Glen Road isn't as bad as its rep - and you telling me "you lied!!".
(I still don't think it deserves that reputation!)
You have a wealth of experience with last years events (DCHM and the main event). Do hang around and share your experience of this years training with us!0 -
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Just as A said, endless. Having just ran Rotterdam a month ago I know from my training I honestly never at one point did not want to go out for a run. I looked forward to every run in the plan with vigor, I did miss runs obviously but through real life not the want to not go out and run. I was tired at times yes, but the goal at the end and running a marathon always conquered that tiredness. You will procrastinate but if you truly want to run DCM you will get up off your backside and run.
It's a wonderful experience training and running a marathon, enjoy it, it will dominate everyday from now till October but embrace that and use it in a positive way in progressing in your training. To be honest I'm dead jealous of you all.
Well said tang, it's a fantastic experience that will dominate your life for the coming months - commit to it and that will get you through the hard runs, the good outweighs the bad, I'm also more than a little jealous of you all too 0 -
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Chrislad! It feels odd to welcome you to the Novices 2016 thread since you were already an established Novice of 2015 when I joined (or at least that's how I seem to remember it).
What plan are you following? I think your routine is perfect for the boards plan, and I also think you have enough miles in the legs already to follow it.
Are you planning to come up for this year's HM? I recall writing a "preview" saying that the Upper Glen Road isn't as bad as its rep - and you telling me "you lied!!". (I still don't think it deserves that reputation!)
You have a wealth of experience with last years events (DCHM and the main event). Do hang around and share your experience of this years training with us!
I'm following a modified Hal Higdon Intermediate 1 plan. I'm lucky enough to work with the winner of the Limerick Marathon this year, so he's giving it a once over, and making some adjustments. I've decided to try to kill myself before DCM this year, as the plan contains 4 20 mile runs. I will *not* be a nice person to be around when the plan ramps up for August and September!!!
I won't be up for the half marathon in September this year. My rather inconsiderate sister is getting married the day before, so I'll have to leave it. It's probably not as bad as it seems, but I got cramp, and I just wasn't going to push myself as it wasn't a target race last year. I will be up (probably, all going well) for the Rock 'n' Roll Half in August though.0 -
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Coffee Fulled Runner wrote: »Wait til you start tapering in the two weeks before the marathon
I've already survived that last year so it's all good for this year. I'll just get my bubble wrap pants out 0 -
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The Black Oil wrote: »I have thus far avoided checking Youtube for advice. Bit early for that craic. :pac: I'm wondering what barriers people feel they'll encounter in taking this on. For me it'll be my head, i.e. procrastination, apathy and laziness.
It's as much a mental challenge as it is a physical challenge it's all about positive mental attitude believing in yourself being realistic in your goals and having the strength to push through the doubts. The great thing about this thread is sharing your experience good and bad and learning from it. It's a roller coaster !! 0 -
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There seems to war raging about kilometers versus miles
I happen to speak both, and I find easy enough to get used to using either. I use both and it simply allows more folks to comment and give feedback. In my early days, I was making the classic novice mistake (guess what? indeed, running too fast), and it wasn't until I added mile-paces, that folks here picked up on it and pointed it out.
I would recommend the hardcore kilometer folks to get used to miles, simply because that's what the majority of the experienced folks speak, and, the day itself, the markers are in miles. Don't underestimate this. If you're not used to miles, it might be quite confrontational to be running along for about 10 minutes and then you see this sign: 1. Run another ten minutes: 2. You get the point
During one of the ridiculous long runs last year, I stumbled upon the same little trick that was already mentioned above - to convert km into miles:- Take the number of miles (e.g. 18)
- Add half the amount (+9 = 27)
- And a tenth of the amount (+1.8 = 28.8)
- Voila. Close enough.
Also, it gives you something to do during the long runs, especially now you try to run without music, right
When you look at the plans, you see many 3, 4, 5, 6M runs. For me, I just had the same little loop for each of the distances, so once I had them established, I was fine. Again, I wouldn't sweat the maths. 5km, 6.5km, 8km, 10km. It'll all balance in the end.
On a lighter note:
One of my (2) running heroes happens to be one of the moderators of this forum (an accomplished ultra-marathon runner). He keeps a really detailed log, which I highly recommend, especially for his race reports. Make yourself a nice cuppa, curl up on the sofa, and start reading here. I read all reports (and more) and learned so much, in terms of prep, pacing, mental toughness, etc.
In one of the reports he says:It seems to be easier to run 42 km rather than 26 miles, because it is less distance from one marker to the next one. It really does seem to make a difference.
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Watching all the runners stream by, I noticed a couple of things I thought I'd share:- Get proper running gear. I saw several folks running in cotton t-shirts and shorts - which must be very unpleasant for the runners (as well as the spectators ).
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Measure in metresMaximus Alexander wrote: »Miles just seem to go on forever... and ever... and ever. Kilometers tick away quite rapidly and don't overstay their welcome. 0 -
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There seems to war raging about kilometers versus miles
During one of the ridiculous long runs last year, I stumbled upon the same little trick that was already mentioned above - to convert km into miles:- Take the number of miles (e.g. 18)
- Add half the amount (+9 = 27)
- And a tenth of the amount (+1.8 = 28.8)
- Voila. Close enough.
As a suggestion if people get in the habit of putting either "m" or "km" after the distances they mention, it will avoid any future confusion. But if there is a general consensus for miles I'm happy to go with that.
I always worked in km's, then running in Limerick a few weeks back a guy I was running beside suddenly commented "Great we're counting down into single digits" i.e., 9 miles left, 8 miles left etc. I got kinda pi$$ed me off working in km's as I was going to have to wait a while for that psychological boost!
That formula looks pretty handy, I'll have to try remembering it.0 -
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Deleted User wrote: »I'll be stubbornly sticking to km :pac:
LOL. Anyway, let's close the book on the miles vs kilometers discussion.
Is anyone considering the Irish Runner 5M - the first race of the Dublin Marathon Race Series?
It's on June 12th in the Phoenix Park - and the entries close on May 27th.- As the training plans haven't started yet, a good chance to try and sharpen up a PB over a shorter distance
- Racing practice - it's a big race
- I believe scotindublin is on flapjack duty
- An excellent opportunity to start honing the race-reports skills.
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LOL. Anyway, let's close the book on the miles vs kilometers discussion.
Is anyone considering the Irish Runner 5M - the first race of the Dublin Marathon Race Series?
It's on June 12th in the Phoenix Park - and the entries close on May 27th.- As the training plans haven't started yet, a good chance to try and sharpen up a PB over a shorter distance
- Racing practice - it's a big race
- I believe scotindublin is on flapjack duty
- An excellent opportunity to start honing the race-reports skills.
A nice opportunity to meet up with your fellow novices too, I hope someone has sent scotindublin the flapjack recipe - we're very fussy :pac:0 -
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LOL. Anyway, let's close the book on the miles vs kilometers discussion.
Is anyone considering the Irish Runner 5M - the first race of the Dublin Marathon Race Series?
It's on June 12th in the Phoenix Park - and the entries close on May 27th.- As the training plans haven't started yet, a good chance to try and sharpen up a PB over a shorter distance
- Racing practice - it's a big race
- I believe scotindublin is on flapjack duty
- An excellent opportunity to start honing the race-reports skills.
I'm in for this. Signed up for all the race-series events except the Fingal 10k, fancied a few new tops 0 -
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Is anyone considering the Irish Runner 5M - the first race of the Dublin Marathon Race Series?
It's on June 12th in the Phoenix Park - and the entries close on May 27th.- As the training plans haven't started yet, a good chance to try and sharpen up a PB over a shorter distance
- Racing practice - it's a big race
- I believe scotindublin is on flapjack duty
- An excellent opportunity to start honing the race-reports skills.
Had planned on running this until I realised I'll be in France so that probably won't work. And I have to go to a friend's wedding the day of the Frank Duffy 10 mile. Aargh.
If anyone decides they're getting married the weekend of the Dublin half marathon, I'm no longer being their friend.
I haven't actually raced since last November & I've put in a lot of training since then, so if I don't see anything else I might try get in a parkrun or two before the official marathon training plan starts.0 -
LOL. Anyway, let's close the book on the miles vs kilometers discussion.
Is anyone considering the Irish Runner 5M - the first race of the Dublin Marathon Race Series?
It's on June 12th in the Phoenix Park - and the entries close on May 27th.- As the training plans haven't started yet, a good chance to try and sharpen up a PB over a shorter distance
- Racing practice - it's a big race
- I believe scotindublin is on flapjack duty
- An excellent opportunity to start honing the race-reports skills.
I have it penciled in, but more as a tester of whether or not I'm ready for marathon training than a nice way to kick off training. I make it that I have 4 weeks of training and one down(ish) week before it. I plan to do one workout a week in those 4 weeks, alternating between tempo runs and intervals. I'd like to nail down a proper goal time rather than what I did for my last 5 mile which was to run out way too fast and then cling on for the last 4k (2.5 miles). 0 -
I don't know if I'm actually going to commit to the marathon this year, I might wait until next year to be better prepared, but it was suggested I answer these anyway and since I'm open to input and I'm probably going to follow along here either way, I might as well.
I did C25k some time in 2014 with my girlfriend, but then gave up after completing it. I wasn't overweight or horribly unfit, just fairly sedentary in general and wanted to get active.
After forgetting about it for another year, I started running in earnest at the end of September 2015. I signed up for Jingle Bells and wanted to train for the best time I could over the next two months, pretty much from a base of zero. I managed to get around in just under 24 minutes* .
Since then I've gotten more and more hooked and I hope to run for the rest of my life and, of course, keep improving.
*I don't have an exact time because the chip timing didn't work on the day. I started way back and got stuck in heavy traffic. Gun time was 24:14, but my watch time was 23:36
Have you raced before? If so what are your PBs? (Date and distance please!)
Only parkruns and Jingle Bells.
5k PB was just under 24 mins in Dec 2015, but I think I am probably quicker now.
I've done 10k and 10 mile runs in training in about 55 mins and 90 mins respectively, but obviously these are not raced and at 'easy' pace so I've no idea how I will perform in races at longer distances.
Do you still need to take walk breaks in your training? (No problem if you do)
Nope.
How much training do you currently do ?
Running 4 days a week, between 30 and 40km at the moment, but this is on an upward trajectory.
What do you want to achieve? Dream finishing time and realistic finishing time? Or just complete it in no specified time?
Personally I wouldn't be happy to just complete it, which is why I may wait a year. I'd be hoping to finish in under 4hrs and the dream would be 3:44:59, which would probably be a huge ask for me.
How many days a week can you train? And what plan do you intend to follow?
I could train 5-6 days a week. The Boards plan appeals because it's got a bit of variety and some speed work. I'd be hoping to improve my times over shorter distances throughout the cycle too, so it seems a better fit than HHN1.
Why are you running this marathon?
Well, I might not. I'll decide for sure by the end of June before the training kicks off in earnest. The reason I'd like to? I've been bitten by the bug. I absolutely love running and I want to try and set initial PBs for all distances from 5k up. I've already signed up for the 4 events in the Dublin Race Series and the marathon is the last step. Also I followed last year's novice thread and the atmosphere was fantastic, it was hard not to get swept up in it and want to take part.
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Pomplamousse wrote: »Had planned on running this until I realised I'll be in France so that probably won't work. And I have to go to a friend's wedding the day of the Frank Duffy 10 mile. Aargh.
If anyone decides they're getting married the weekend of the Dublin half marathon, I'm no longer being their friend.
I haven't actually raced since last November & I've put in a lot of training since then, so if I don't see anything else I might try get in a parkrun or two before the official marathon training plan starts.
The Dunshaughlin 10k is a great race, too. June 18th, AFAIK.0 -
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I'm in for this. Signed up for all the race-series events except the Fingal 10k, fancied a few new tops
I'm thinking of signing up for the series but like you I don't think I'll do the 10k. Is there another 10k on around the same time that I could do. If not I'll do it as my plan is well fitted for this race0 -
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Maximus Alexander wrote: »I don't know if I'm actually going to commit to the marathon this year, I might wait until next year to be better prepared, but it was suggested I answer these anyway and since I'm open to input and I'm probably going to follow along here either way, I might as well.
I did C25k some time in 2014 with my girlfriend, but then gave up after completing it. I wasn't overweight or horribly unfit, just fairly sedentary in general and wanted to get active.
After forgetting about it for another year, I started running in earnest at the end of September 2015. I signed up for Jingle Bells and wanted to train for the best time I could over the next two months, pretty much from a base of zero. I managed to get around in just under 24 minutes* .
Since then I've gotten more and more hooked and I hope to run for the rest of my life and, of course, keep improving.
*I don't have an exact time because the chip timing didn't work on the day. I started way back and got stuck in heavy traffic. Gun time was 24:14, but my watch time was 23:36
Have you raced before? If so what are your PBs? (Date and distance please!)
Only parkruns and Jingle Bells.
5k PB was just under 24 mins in Dec 2015, but I think I am probably quicker now.
I've done 10k and 10 mile runs in training in about 55 mins and 90 mins respectively, but obviously these are not raced and at 'easy' pace so I've no idea how I will perform in races at longer distances.
Do you still need to take walk breaks in your training? (No problem if you do)
Nope.
How much training do you currently do ?
Running 4 days a week, between 30 and 40km at the moment, but this is on an upward trajectory.
What do you want to achieve? Dream finishing time and realistic finishing time? Or just complete it in no specified time?
Personally I wouldn't be happy to just complete it, which is why I may wait a year. I'd be hoping to finish in under 4hrs and the dream would be 3:44:59, which would probably be a huge ask for me.
How many days a week can you train? And what plan do you intend to follow?
I could train 5-6 days a week. The Boards plan appeals because it's got a bit of variety and some speed work. I'd be hoping to improve my times over shorter distances throughout the cycle too, so it seems a better fit than HHN1.
Why are you running this marathon?
Well, I might not. I'll decide for sure by the end of June before the training kicks off in earnest. The reason I'd like to? I've been bitten by the bug. I absolutely love running and I want to try and set initial PBs for all distances from 5k up. I've already signed up for the 4 events in the Dublin Race Series and the marathon is the last step. Also I followed last year's novice thread and the atmosphere was fantastic, it was hard not to get swept up in it and want to take part.
Also I talk in kms but I can understand miles and translate.
Hello Maximus Alexander - welcome to the thread!
No rush to sign-up for DCM. I believe you can sign-up until quite late (I'm sure it'll be in the FAQs on the site somewhere).
You have a sensible approach. Don't rush into any decision just yet - train regularly, at the right pace, while slowly increasing the weekly mileage. Don't be tempted to run many races - even tho you will feel your fitness and endurance improve, keep an eye on the end-goal. For now, I think your end-goal should be to get to the DCHM in September.
For the next few months, keep a realistic outlook. The boards plan is tough. You will be running half-marathon distances pretty much 13-14 weekends in a row - and since it appears you haven't covered that distance yet, HHN1 might be better suited (you can change one of the sessions to be a PMP session if you want to vary the paces).
As for marathon training, let's see how you get on through September. Use 4 hours as your PMP but don't get hung up on that as a goal. In fact, don't get hung up on doing the marathon, full stop (which you don't seem to be, so excellent).
Follow the plans and keep us posted on your progress, and you can well nail a fine half marathon debut in September. Going on to the full will be a stretch-goal, I hope you get there, but you may decide to move it to 2017.
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