Laois/Wicklow V Dublin

Topcat32

Patser wrote: »

5) there's a 24 hour bus service (Dublin Coach) from Portlaoise to red cow luas and airport, as well as BE and IE options

3) Also don't think o'Moore Park is that much smaller than Nolan, less seats more terraces makes capacity similar if less comfortable. The extra 40 minutes, I agree is nothing, that's far from a big issue.

2) and 4) tenuous link, but I'd rather a town full of football fans all there for the one occasion, than a town already crammed with comedy fans and locals with no interest in the game. 'The All Ireland champions are in town, shure aren't we the All Ireland champions!'

Don't get me wrong Kilkenny is a lovely town, and as a place to visit, well above Portlaoise but timing wise it's wrong with the Cat laughs on - Trivago has 0 of 78 availability, Roomex has Mt Juliet at €420 for 1 night. Similarly it doesn't need the extra visitors, I've a worry now that in a town that packed bouncers could become picky about football jerseys and entry.

I doubt they would let people in Dublin jerseys into Mount Juliet, seriously lowers the tone, and Laois people couldnt afford it. There is a new bridge in the city centre that might be nice in mid summer

K-9

glack wrote: »

There were people in some quarters (Colm Parkinson on Newstalk for example) giving out yards at the time of the match being fixed that is should be in Portlaoise should Laois win rather than fixed to a neutral venue. The Laois management probably felt they could say little at the time as they had to beat Wicklow first. The idea was to take Dublin away from Croke Park for their opening game. Why Kilkenny was picked for the venue, I have no idea. The people of Kilkenny have no interest in football! At least a home game for Laois would mean something.

Indeed, that was the best point made then and over the last couple of days, why Kilkenny? They do basically nothing for football and they seem to get picked as a neutral venue for hurling often enough.

OldMrBrennan83

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K-9

Patww79 wrote: »

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I don't know why there was a double header there but I assume most counties have home and away arrangements that cover most Leinster games.

K-9

With Dublin the big exception.

Stoner

DoctaDee wrote:

the vast majority of Dubs will be on the road home within an hour of the final whistle

An extra hour in the car is an extra hour of fun and amateur analysis, no game requires a night over nowadays.

El Horseboxo

Stoner wrote: »

An extra hour in the car is an extra hour of fun and amateur analysis, no game requires a night over nowadays.

No game requires it. But I think the novelty of the possibility is an excuse for some to do the overnighter. I'll be over from the US at the time and we booked accommodation as soon as the game was announced. And picked up tickets today. I know for all the guys I'm going with. It's an excuse to use to the wife/girlfriend to have a lads night away.

Given the amount of accommodation available there will only be a minority that even have the opportunity to stay.

Realt Dearg Sec

K-9 wrote: »

Indeed, that was the best point made then and over the last couple of days, why Kilkenny? They do basically nothing for football and they seem to get picked as a neutral venue for hurling often enough.

It is best neutral venue for miles and miles around, that's why. It isn't being done as a favour to Kilkenny. This thing about Kilkenny not playing football being a reason not to have it there is moronic.

I mean, Kilkenny have had to play in portlaoise plenty of times. We managed it without any of the ****ing craunchauling as well.

mountgomery burns

Realt Dearg Sec wrote: »

It is best neutral venue for miles and miles around, that's why. It isn't being done as a favour to Kilkenny. This thing about Kilkenny not playing football being a reason not to have it there is moronic.

I mean, Kilkenny have had to play in portlaoise plenty of times. We managed it without any of the ****ing craunchauling as well.

Well, in Leinster. Thurles isn't that far away.

OldMrBrennan83

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Fattes

Patser wrote: »

5) there's a 24 hour bus service (Dublin Coach) from Portlaoise to red cow luas and airport, as well as BE and IE options

3) Also don't think o'Moore Park is that much smaller than Nolan, less seats more terraces makes capacity similar if less comfortable. The extra 40 minutes, I agree is nothing, that's far from a big issue.

2) and 4) tenuous link, but I'd rather a town full of football fans all there for the one occasion, than a town already crammed with comedy fans and locals with no interest in the game. 'The All Ireland champions are in town, shure aren't we the All Ireland champions!'

O'Moore park has 11,000 less seats than Nolan! That is kids that cant see, older fans who cant stand denied access.

Plenty of bus link between, kilkenny and Dublin, sadly Irish rail are worse than useless. It will be a town full of football fans, mixed with comedy fans, who may also be football fans, also the bouncers in Kilkenny have never been that fussy, imagine they are used to celebrating GAA fans. I am looking forward to it.

K-9

Realt Dearg Sec wrote: »

It is best neutral venue for miles and miles around, that's why. It isn't being done as a favour to Kilkenny. This thing about Kilkenny not playing football being a reason not to have it there is moronic.

I mean, Kilkenny have had to play in portlaoise plenty of times. We managed it without any of the ****ing craunchauling as well.

Nope, it is a valid point. Why give Kilkenny a high profile football game?

Realt Dearg Sec

mountgomery burns wrote: »

Well, in Leinster. Thurles isn't that far away.

Yeah Thurles is great but the Leinster Council would never agree to it. Waterford had the same problem last year if I remember when someone suggested they could have home Munster games in Nowlan.

Realt Dearg Sec

K-9 wrote: »

Nope, it is a valid point. Why give Kilkenny a high profile football game?

Because it is the best neutral venue for miles around, and Laois is too small a venue (aside from not being neutral). I think I already said that in the last post though...

Patser

I know I know wikipedia etc but wikipedia show Portlaoise having a bigger capacity. 27,000 vs 24,000. Yes Kilkenny has more seats but Portlaoise holds more.

Realt Dearg Sec

Patser wrote: »

I know I know wikipedia etc but wikipedia show Portlaoise having a bigger capacity. 27,000 vs 24,000. Yes Kilkenny has more seats but Portlaoise holds more.

Pretty sure Kilkenny's capacity is more like 30,000.

Fattes

Patser wrote: »

I know I know wikipedia etc but wikipedia show Portlaoise having a bigger capacity. 27,000 vs 24,000. Yes Kilkenny has more seats but Portlaoise holds more.

Nolan Park has 17,000 seats O'Moore Park has 6/7,000, Nolan Park has 3 covered stands/terraces O'Moore park has one. The reality is with the number of families that travel for Dubs games access and viewing for kids was a priority.

munchkin_utd

Patser wrote: »

I know I know wikipedia etc but wikipedia show Portlaoise having a bigger capacity. 27,000 vs 24,000. Yes Kilkenny has more seats but Portlaoise holds more.

There was a LOT of whinging when the all Ireland semi final replay was moved to Limerick as there was supposedly not enough seats so it does seem to be a live issue with fixture makers nowadays .

There also may the issue that theres a right heap of Dublin season ticket holders expecting a seat (over 5000 at least), so if it was in Portlaoise the majority of the 6,200 seats would have to go to Dubs!

This was flagged 6months ago, so its not new news (with Laois saying the Dubs fans will just have to stand).
http://www.sportsjoe.ie/gaa/laois-are-insisting-dublin-fans-stand-up-for-the-boys-in-blue/48952

Fattes

munchkin_utd wrote: »

There was a LOT of whinging when the all Ireland semi final replay was moved to Limerick as there was supposedly not enough seats so it does seem to be a live issue with fixture makers nowadays .

Funnily in the end that game did not sell out and there was spare capacity at the Gaelic grounds for Mayo v Kerry.

In reality with the dubs they would have had nearly 3/4 of the ticket allocation for O'Moore park with 12,500 season tickets approx sold, plus club allocation and general sale.

K-9

Realt Dearg Sec wrote: »

Because it is the best neutral venue for miles around, and Laois is too small a venue (aside from not being neutral). I think I already said that in the last post though...

I think this must be the first time I've heard the more seats argument raised. Most stadia around the country are mostly terraced and it's the first I've heard of this point about children and pensioners.

Fattes

K-9 wrote: »

I think this must be the first time I've heard the more seats argument raised. Most stadia around the country are mostly terraced and it's the first I've heard of this point about children and pensioners.

Because it is rarely an issue outside of Croke park due to attendance figures, look at the league hurling final, neither of the terraces in Semple were open, all seated, As with most league and early championship games, few stadia reach their capacity or even open the terrace ends. However when a game of this nature comes along and it will sell out it becomes an issue. A lot of those season tickets 5,000 seated for Dublin are families.

Realt Dearg Sec

K-9 wrote: »

I think this must be the first time I've heard the more seats argument raised. Most stadia around the country are mostly terraced and it's the first I've heard of this point about children and pensioners.

I didn't mention children or pensioners.

K-9

Realt Dearg Sec wrote: »

I didn't mention children or pensioners.

Eh, who said you did?

K-9

Fattes wrote: »

Because it is rarely an issue outside of Croke park due to attendance figures, look at the league hurling final, neither of the terraces in Semple were open, all seated, As with most league and early championship games, few stadia reach their capacity or even open the terrace ends. However when a game of this nature comes along and it will sell out it becomes an issue. A lot of those season tickets 5,000 seated for Dublin are families.

The only thing is that leaves a very limited selection of stadia available for Dublin away games. If it's Longford vs. Dublin where does it get played?

Realt Dearg Sec

K-9 wrote: »

Eh, who said you did?

You replied to my post which didn't mention pensioners or children by saying "this is the first I've heard of this point about children and pensioners" when I had made no such point in the post you were referring to. Or any other post.

Fattes

K-9 wrote: »

The only thing is that leaves a very limited selection of stadia available for Dublin away games. If it's Longford vs. Dublin where does it get played?

Here in lies the problem, we all ready have quite an over capacity of stadia in Munster, is almost the same as Leinster despite a 1 million difference in the populations and almost identical seated numbers. excluding Croke Park Munster has more seats in grounds.

The reality of the situation is, moving Dublin out of Croke park will mean less of the financial pie to spread every season, other leinster counties will lose out. I am sick of the small counties argument, Kildare, Meath,louth and Wicklow all have bigger populations than Mayo, they are not that small. McChale Park is nearly 40,000. Soon Nolan park will be 40,000.

It is easier to move 10,000 from Kildare, Laois, Meath, Longford to Dublin than it is to move 25,000 from Dublin to there. Just look at the arrangments for the Nolan park game, Still no confirmed special trains from Irish Rail, no hotels available in Kilkenny due to the annual cat laughs festival its a bloody mess

K-9

Realt Dearg Sec wrote: »

You replied to my post which didn't mention pensioners or children by saying "this is the first I've heard of this point about children and pensioners" when I had made no such point in the post you were referring to. Or any other post.

Right, that's grand. Discussions generally develop but grand so

K-9

Fattes wrote: »

Here in lies the problem, we all ready have quite an over capacity of stadia in Munster, is almost the same as Leinster despite a 1 million difference in the populations and almost identical seated numbers. excluding Croke Park Munster has more seats in grounds.

The reality of the situation is, moving Dublin out of Croke park will mean less of the financial pie to spread every season, other leinster counties will lose out. I am sick of the small counties argument, Kildare, Meath,louth and Wicklow all have bigger populations than Mayo, they are not that small. McChale Park is nearly 40,000. Soon Nolan park will be 40,000.

It is easier to move 10,000 from Kildare, Laois, Meath, Longford to Dublin than it is to move 25,000 from Dublin to there. Just look at the arrangments for the Nolan park game, Still no confirmed special trains from Irish Rail, no hotels available in Kilkenny due to the annual cat laughs festival its a bloody mess

Don't get me started on the stadia debate! The problem is there seems to be no planning about them from a central level at all. We've loads of good grounds holding 25-40k but no top class ones and this is a repercussion of that.

OldMrBrennan83

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K-9

As against 6 or 7 not top class stadia full once a year at best.

Fattes

K-9 wrote: »

Don't get me started on the stadia debate! The problem is there seems to be no planning about them from a central level at all. We've loads of good grounds holding 25-40k but no top class ones and this is a repercussion of that.

Kind off, Leinster, you will have Nolan park and Croke Park, plans to redevelop Nolan to 40,000

Munster, Gaelic Grounds 40,000, Semple 40,000 and the new White Elephant in Cork 45,000. Plus if you are stuck Thomand park,

Ulster Casement park is due to be a 40,000 seats if they get planning.

Connaught Mchale park is as close to 40,000 all seated it makes no odds, and Pearse park is an ok backup I think 10,000 seats or so.

ebbsy

Sure Portlaoise wasn't even a third full on Saturday and there was 4 counties playing there.

Doubt if the Dubs will be piling into Nolan Park either.

Fattes

ebbsy wrote: »

Sure Portlaoise wasn't even a third full on Saturday and there was 4 counties playing there.

Doubt if the Dubs will be piling into Nolan Park either.

You will have a full house on June 4th

Patser

ebbsy wrote: »

Sure Portlaoise wasn't even a third full on Saturday and there was 4 counties playing there.

Doubt if the Dubs will be piling into Nolan Park either.

It'll be a sell out, novelty alone will allow for that. Also it's a double header - the British Junior Football championship game between London and home team Kilkenny is on at 5pm. We'll see the Kilkenny fanaticism for football come to the fore then!!! And London!!! London for Christ's sake!!! They've a population of near 12 million!! They'll be dominating the Championship with that pool to pick from! They'll add at least 1 (bus driver) or 2 (his mate) to the crowd!!


Edit; got my tickets today, seated of course

Patser

Patww79 wrote: »

The only problem is that there'd be no real point. If there were say 3 top class 45,000 seater grounds outside croke park they would be full twice a year at best, and less than 50% every other time.

Garth Brooks could set up a residency rotating 4 nights at a time around the country grounds.

mountgomery burns

I agree that there's no planning around GAA infrastructure but it's going back a long time and is politically driven.

Leinster might have the same population as Munster when you exclude Dublin but there's far more sub divisions there.

Munster also has 3 of the 5 cities in Ireland so that would be a factor, with Thurles being the home of the GAA.

Realt Dearg Sec

The stadiums issue is obviously a bit of a farce because of the county boards that each want their own monument to their own wonderfulness rather than centralised decision making in the best interests of everyone. In that sense, it's the exact same problem as the championship structure.

FWIW I would say in an ideal world, all of the championship matches before the semi finals should be on an enforced home-away agreement basis. The home county could, if it felt it was in the best interests of themselves maximising attendance or revenue, designate another venue as their home for that game (this would avoid the really annoying habit of a tiny few Dublin supporters claiming that all of these Croke Park games are not home games for them). If, say, Laois, wanted to maximise revenue from the Dublin game they could play it in Croke park, but would have to take full responsibility for the consequent disadvantage to their own players, Dublin couldn't get another whipping in the media for the unfair number of home games they get. They could also move the game to any other ground they were able to get the use of for the day.

This would definitely be better for a lot of provincial games between lower ranked counties. Wexford V Offaly on a home and away basis makes way more sense to me than having it in neutral grounds (just an example, I dunno if they have a home away agreement, I know KK and Wexford do). It would also get rid of all the inconsistency, sometimes there are home games, sometimes neutral, etc etc. It would mean more travelling in some instances, but everyone would be getting more home games, which has been especially rare for some counties as opposed to others (Waterford never get home games, Tipp get loads of them, etc) because of geographical issues.

But as things stand right now, with no particularly good reason why Laois should get a home game, and no particularly good reason why Nowlan Park shouldn't be the venue (again, just saying it's a valid point that we don't play football doesn't really make it a valid point, it's got nothing to do with the decision making process) when there are no better neutral options, it's hard to see it as anything other than cribbing.

They could do with sorting out the rail issue, but I can't think of a single venue in Ireland outside Dublin where that wouldn't also be a problem, including Portlaoise. Unless taking 40 fans an hour every hour away on buses constitutes a solution to the transport issue. It would be some craic to watch how that would develop.

Fattes

Realt Dearg Sec wrote: »

The stadiums issue is obviously a bit of a farce because of the county boards that each want their own monument to their own wonderfulness rather than centralised decision making in the best interests of everyone. In that sense, it's the exact same problem as the championship structure.

FWIW I would say in an ideal world, all of the championship matches before the semi finals should be on an enforced home-away agreement basis. The home county could, if it felt it was in the best interests of themselves maximising attendance or revenue, designate another venue as their home for that game (this would avoid the really annoying habit of a tiny few Dublin supporters claiming that all of these Croke Park games are not home games for them). If, say, Laois, wanted to maximise revenue from the Dublin game they could play it in Croke park, but would have to take full responsibility for the consequent disadvantage to their own players, Dublin couldn't get another whipping in the media for the unfair number of home games they get. They could also move the game to any other ground they were able to get the use of for the day.

This would definitely be better for a lot of provincial games between lower ranked counties. Wexford V Offaly on a home and away basis makes way more sense to me than having it in neutral grounds (just an example, I dunno if they have a home away agreement, I know KK and Wexford do). It would also get rid of all the inconsistency, sometimes there are home games, sometimes neutral, etc etc. It would mean more travelling in some instances, but everyone would be getting more home games, which has been especially rare for some counties as opposed to others (Waterford never get home games, Tipp get loads of them, etc) because of geographical issues.

But as things stand right now, with no particularly good reason why Laois should get a home game, and no particularly good reason why Nowlan Park shouldn't be the venue (again, just saying it's a valid point that we don't play football doesn't really make it a valid point, it's got nothing to do with the decision making process) when there are no better neutral options, it's hard to see it as anything other than cribbing.

They could do with sorting out the rail issue, but I can't think of a single venue in Ireland outside Dublin where that wouldn't also be a problem, including Portlaoise. Unless taking 40 fans an hour every hour away on buses constitutes a solution to the transport issue. It would be some craic to watch how that would develop.

And the 300,000 -500,000 year a difference in Leinster council finances, that would severely impact smaller counties from all this small fixture?

The fact that approximately 6,000 people will be told they can not renew their season tickets, the year it happens?

The rail issue is easily sorted shoot everyone in Irish rail and hire chimps!

Realt Dearg Sec

Fattes wrote: »

And the 300,000 -500,000 year a difference in Leinster council finances, that would severely impact smaller counties from all this small fixture?

The fact that approximately 6,000 people will be told they can not renew their season tickets, the year it happens?

The rail issue is easily sorted shoot everyone in Irish rail and hire chimps!

The revenue issue: well, we can't have it both ways. When they play all Dublin's matches in Croke Park, that gives a serious footballing advantage to them, I think we all agree on that. Hence all the giving out about it in the first place. I doubt there's another serious sport on earth where one team gets the advantage of constant home games that's never extended to anyone else. Now, either the objective is to maximise revenues or create a level playing field. Both is not an option. But it's a debate we've all seen done to death. I'm just saying, my solution still leaves open the option to play games in Croke Park if the "home" team desires it. I'm not saying which I think is better, but it's either the money or a fairer set-up. Can't have both.

Season ticket issue: you'll have to explain this to me, I don't know the numbers around Dublin season tickets.

Rail issue: Agreed. Free money and they don't want it.

ProudDUB

K-9 wrote: »

I think this must be the first time I've heard the more seats argument raised. Most stadia around the country are mostly terraced and it's the first I've heard of this point about children and pensioners.

Their concern for kids & pensioners was touted by the Leinster Council in defence of their decision. While it may have been a factor, the fact that they could sell all those seated tickets for double the price of terraced tickets was an even bigger factor imo. It's all about the money, not concern for the chislers & aul fellas.

Stoner

Realt Dearg Sec wrote:

Season ticket issue: you'll have to explain this to me, I don't know the numbers around Dublin season tickets.

There's about 6K season tickets between Parnell passes, Hill pass and season tickets.
They operate differently

I'm a season ticket holder. I get all league games free good value since Dublin progress in it so much.

You get the first championship game free and depending on your attendance you get to buy a ticket guaranteed at every other championship game.
So apart from one championship game , you pay for everything else.
And the season tickets obviously cost you .

The other ticket types operate differently but you are guaranteed games

Fattes

ProudDUB wrote: »

It's all about the money, not concern for the chislers & aul fellas.

Not really half those seated tickets are gone to Dubs Season ticket holders, before general sale.

There's about 6K season tickets between Parnell passes, Hill pass and season tickets

Might be more than that, there is approx 5,000 season tickets seated for the Dubs alone, figure is closer to 10/12 thousand in total apparently. Which is why so many grounds are to small, either you breach your contract with season ticket holders or you sell less of them.

Don't really see croke park as a serious football advantage, plus I am pretty sure the pitch in Nolan Park and Semple are the same size as HQ

mountgomery burns

Fattes wrote: »

Not really half those seated tickets are gone to Dubs Season ticket holders, before general sale.


Might be more than that, there is approx 5,000 season tickets seated for the Dubs alone, figure is closer to 10/12 thousand in total apparently. Which is why so many grounds are to small, either you breach your contract with season ticket holders or you sell less of them.

Don't really see croke park as a serious football advantage, plus I am pretty sure the pitch in Nolan Park and Semple are the same size as HQ

Semple Stadium is shorter, but Nowlan Park is the same.

K-9

ProudDUB wrote: »

Their concern for kids & pensioners was touted by the Leinster Council in defence of their decision. While it may have been a factor, the fact that they could sell all those seated tickets for double the price of terraced tickets was an even bigger factor imo. It's all about the money, not concern for the chislers & aul fellas.

Railways seems to be the latest one rolled out. None of this stuff seemed to matter before, yet this one match brings all this up.

ProudDUB

Fattes wrote: »

Not really half those seated tickets are gone to Dubs Season ticket holders, before general sale.


Might be more than that, there is approx 5,000 season tickets seated for the Dubs alone, figure is closer to 10/12 thousand in total apparently. Which is why so many grounds are to small, either you breach your contract with season ticket holders or you sell less of them.

Don't really see croke park as a serious football advantage, plus I am pretty sure the pitch in Nolan Park and Semple are the same size as HQ

Dunno where you are getting the figure of 10/12 thousand from. There are 5000 Dublin season ticket holders. There are approx 2000 Parnell Pass holders, of which 1000 are terrace passes, so the availability of seating is not pertinent to them. That leaves approx 6000 people "entitled" to a seat & not 10/12,000

As to that seating entitlement, the season ticket terms & condition specifically state, that holders of stand season tickets, will be given a seat, where possible. If it isn't, they will be accommodated else where in the ground, if there are not enough seats to go around. They pretty much tell people to get there early, if they want to be sure of a seat. So if you have to stand, you don't really have any legal come back, when it comes to breaches of contract.

http://www.gaa.ie/tickets/gaa-season-ticket/faq

Fattes

ProudDUB wrote: »

Dunno where you are getting the figure of 10/12 thousand from.

Dublin County board member! May have misheard him on the radio this week! Bit I was pretty sure that is the figure he gave. As for the right to seating, considering the Dubs have not left Croke Park for a championship game in 10 years its probably a reasonable man would have an expectation your seated ticket is that, but that is up to the courts to decide.

Trains are never an issue for GAA, normally for big games in Croke Park Irish Rail lay on extra trains. However they seem to be dragging their heals on announcing one for June 4th, a fact highlighted more acutely, by the comedy festival and the lack of rooms. I would love to make a day and night out of it in Kilkenny but looks like I will have to drive or jump on a supporters bus that will leave me no time post game in the marble city.

ProudDUB

Fattes wrote: »

Dublin County board member! May have misheard him on the radio this week! Bit I was pretty sure that is the figure he gave. As for the right to seating, considering the Dubs have not left Croke Park for a championship game in 10 years its probably a reasonable man would have an expectation your seated ticket is that, but that is up to the courts to decide.

Trains are never an issue for GAA, normally for big games in Croke Park Irish Rail lay on extra trains. However they seem to be dragging their heals on announcing one for June 4th, a fact highlighted more acutely, by the comedy festival and the lack of rooms. I would love to make a day and night out of it in Kilkenny but looks like I will have to drive or jump on a supporters bus that will leave me no time post game in the marble city.

Methinks you did mishear him. Who was on the radio? The official party line coming from Jim Gavin and the DCB is to keep the head down and not get involved in any of this. I'd be curious to know who was on the wireless giving out incorrect information.

There is no way that there are 12,000 Dublin season ticket & PP holders. What kind of seats people have or had in Croke Park, or are used to having, is irrelevant. You can't compare an 82,000 capacity stadium, with 65,000 odd thousand seats, to a provincial ground.

No idea why you are even bringing the courts in to any of this. Trust me, no one is going to be suing the GAA just because they had to stand at a game.

Fattes

ProudDUB wrote: »

No idea why you are even bringing the courts in to any of this. Trust me, no one is going to be suing the GAA just because they had to stand at a game.

There is always one, who is willing to push a claim, trust me & the reasonable man test will be top of the case! As for the radio he wasn't talking about the game but an overview of Dublin GAA, it was on Newstalk I think.

ProudDUB

And the judge would toss it right out of his court room, once he stopped laughing.

I think that might have been the chairman of the Laois Co Board you heard on Newstalk. No one from the DCB has been on air talking about this. They're all keeping the head well down and are toeing the "we'll go where we're sent" party line, as they should be.

Stoner

Fattes wrote:

Dublin County board member! May have misheard him on the radio this week! Bit I was pretty sure that is the figure he gave. As for the right to seating, considering the Dubs have not left Croke Park for a championship game in 10 years its probably a reasonable man would have an expectation your seated ticket is that, but that is up to the courts to decide.

I think if Dublin and Mayo play there are 12K for season ticket holders