New minister Michael creed

Farmer Ed

Willfarman wrote: »

He never gave Fock about the land loving folk or farm families, His
passion was only the capitalist processsors i.e. Larry and company.. who now have a puppet to pull the strings of in the negotiations..

Sold his own farm. Could have easily milked 400 cows there. Not sure why he didn't? He seamed to think the rest of us could all get rich doing it?

Base price

Willfarman wrote: »

He never gave Fock about the land loving folk or farm families, His
passion was only the capitalist processsors i.e. Larry and company.. who now have a puppet to pull the strings of in the negotiations..

Me feckin laptop is still broken so I'm relying on the phone. Therefore I can't post sarcastic emojis.
I agree with your post. He will look after the financial interests of the processors. Us farmers will be lucky if we get caught up in the wash.

Good loser

Farmer Ed wrote: »

Sold his own farm. Could have easily milked 400 cows there. Not sure why he didn't? He seamed to think the rest of us could all get rich doing it?

I would be surprised if that was not a family settlement situation.

He has 5 or 6 siblings.

Creed is a seriously hard worker and well able for his brief. Opening up markets steadily.

Farmer Ed

Good loser wrote: »

I would be surprised if that was not a family settlement situation.

He has 5 or 6 siblings.

Creed is a seriously hard worker and well able for his brief. Opening up markets steadily.

Family settlement? Wasn't he promoting partnership's as well?

Creed has his own farm let ever since his old man retired. Can't say I can blame him for that.

pedigree 6

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Who is the new minister of Fine Aunts ?

The minister for Fine Aunts is Paschal Donohue.

Base price

Good loser wrote: »

I would be surprised if that was not a family settlement situation.

He has 5 or 6 siblings.

Creed is a seriously hard worker and well able for his brief. Opening up markets steadily.

His record with the delay of GLAS payments is truly chronic. Imo that will be the legacy that sticks to him and in time will become his political downfall.

rangler1

Farmer Ed wrote: »

Sold his own farm. Could have easily milked 400 cows there. Not sure why he didn't? He seamed to think the rest of us could all get rich doing it?

Some one of his ability would be very foolish to have anything to do with farming.....good or bad he has built a great career for himself and a good pension entitlement as well
win win I'd say.
I always found Coveney easy to talk to, he always agreed with me......never did anything, but always agreed with me

Farmer Ed

rangler1 wrote: »

Some one of his ability would be very foolish to have anything to do with farming.....good or bad he has built a great career for himself and a good pension entitlement as well
win win I'd say.
I always found Coveney easy to talk to, he always agreed with me......never did anything, but always agreed with me

Well I can't say I disagree with you. Yes of course he was correct. Don't know what the farm made? But assuming 10k per acre. Near cork city sea views ect.You are looking at €4m? Plus another million to put in the 400 cow's. So yes I agree tying up €5 m, standing in a hole and getting **** on would probably not be the most clever thing in the world to have done. Buy he did seem to give everyone the impression that he was mad keen on the idea? Possibly he was only having a laugh with harvest 2020?

I suppose the fact that he always agreed with you would suggest that both of you must have very similar ideology.

Sheep breeder

Farmer Ed wrote: »

Sold his own farm. Could have easily milked 400 cows there. Not sure why he didn't? He seamed to think the rest of us could all get rich doing it?

The dail gravy train and the dail bar, why would you milk cows when sitting back licking a... gets you a big pension and loads of holidays and big pay and the fools will reelection back for more of the same for the rest of your life, look at enda

Username John

Farmer Ed wrote: »

Well I can't say I disagree with you. Yes of course he was correct. Don't know what the farm made? But assuming 10k per acre. Near cork city sea views ect.You are looking at €4m? Plus another million to put in the 400 cow's. So yes I agree tying up €5 m, standing in a hole and getting **** on would probably not be the most clever thing in the world to have done. Buy he did seem to give everyone the impression that he was mad keen on the idea? Possibly he was only having a laugh with harvest 2020?

I suppose the fact that he always agreed with you would suggest that both of you must have very similar ideology.

So we're half giving out about Coveny cos the home farm was sold...

We're not happy with Creed, cos his place is let now...

Would we be happier if the minister was from a non farming background? Is that what we're saying?

Farmer Ed

Username John wrote: »

So we're half giving out about Coveny cos the home farm was sold...

We're not happy with Creed, cos his place is let now...

Would we be happier if the minister was from a non farming background? Is that what we're saying?

Simply stating facts.

whelan2

Farmer Ed wrote: »

Sold his own farm. Could have easily milked 400 cows there. Not sure why he didn't? He seamed to think the rest of us could all get rich doing it?

So what, can people not sell their farms anymore? Think thats a fairly petty point to be making tbh

Farmer Ed

whelan2 wrote: »

So what, can people not sell their farms anymore? Think thats a fairly petty point to be making tbh

Of course he did the right thing in selling the farm . I never said otherwise. Just it came as a bit of a surprise. He seemed so mad keen in the whole harvest 2020 thing. One would have thought he actually might have gone and taken part in this exciting project himself, he seemed so excited about the whole thing.

Simon and Creed have made a lot of political capital about they being farmers. How am I being petty exactly?

At least Leo worked as a Doctor in the real world. The important word here is he actually "worked" at something outside politics and wasn't ordained at birth.

fepper

Was it creed or coveney that sold the farm

croot

I think people are being unfair to Creed. I don't know if people remember but last Autumn the cattle trade was facing into a black hole. The general opinion was that we'd all be giving away our cattle for free in the spring and then paying Larry to take them off us by summer.

The whole live export business has been a game changer and while he mightn't be credited with setting that up he shouldn't be credited with the Glas mess either. That should be a sacking for the senior Dept of Ag person in charge of it.

whelan2

fepper wrote: »

Was it creed or coveney that sold the farm

Why does it matter?

Farmer Ed

fepper wrote: »

Was it creed or coveney that sold the farm

Coveneys farm is sold Creeds farm it let and for the record I think both decisions were totally, financially and ethically sound.

But honestly this thing about them being farmers reminds me of Denny from glenroe rubbing hen s1t to the shop brought eggs and selling them as free range.

fepper

whelan2 wrote: »

Why does it matter?

It doesn't matter really

Farmer Ed

fepper wrote: »

It doesn't matter really

It would however be a bit like if Leo for example would claim to have come from a medical background just because his father was a doctor, but never actually worked as a doctor himself. Can you imagine the amount of eyebrows that would raise?

MayoAreMagic

Couldn't care less what they done with their farms personally. I'd be more interested in how they went about their jobs. The Glas scheme is definitely Creed's responsibility. If he is going to take credit for live export then he has to take criticism for Glas. Who has he removed from their jobs over this? How has he ensured it wont happen again?

I got a letter regarding glas stating that I was still accepted and basically to hold tight - hardly any information that I wasn't already aware of. The next day I see a load of PR spin in the media about how the Dept had 'completed initial processing of every application received for GLAS I and II'. So basically, a poxy letter telling people what they already know is classed as 'initial processing' and they run with it to the papers and churn it out over and over.
Id love to know if Minister Creed didn't get his wages for 7 months, and got a letter stating that he was owed money and to hold tight, would he class that as processed, in any shape or form?

It is this attitude that is the annoying. Guys more interested in how they look in the paper than doing their job properly.

sword1

Who would you prefer? Despite all the pros mentioned above for being a politician I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy. Everyone looking for a fault, if he kept the farm and worked it that would be seen as a problem also so you can't win. Seriously though when you look around at the current possible ministers who would be your first choice?

MayoAreMagic

Farmer Ed wrote: »

It would however be a bit like if Leo for example would claim to have come from a medical background just because his father was a doctor, but never actually worked as a doctor himself. Can you imagine the amount of eyebrows that would raise?

I know what you are saying but in fairness, that isn't really the same. Claiming to be a doctor brings with it a perceived level of intellect, which doesn't really apply if you tell people you are a farmer. Plus you are raised on a farm and gain experience, a doctors son isn't raised in the hospital...

Farmer Ed

MayoAreMagic wrote: »

I know what you are saying but in fairness, that isn't really the same. Claiming to be a doctor brings with it a perceived level of intellect, which doesn't really apply if you tell people you are a farmer. Plus you are raised on a farm and gain experience, a doctors son isn't raised in the hospital...

Actually I couldn't care less where the minister for agricultural was raised. But please less of the spin. If he does a good job and I really do hope he does for all our sakes, where he was raised doesn't make a blind bit of difference. It wouldn't matter to me the slightest what his background was. Actually sometimes bringing someone from outside with a fresh prospective might be a positive thing. But sometimes the spin can just be nauseating.

coolshannagh28

Creed seems to be a low key but effective minister , by encouraging live exports and new markets beef prices have risen , milk prices are at or above average . The flip side is the mindless bureaucracy which has again crept into farming and its interesting to note that this was one of the drivers toward the introduction of a single farm payment in the 2000s, will this change in 2019 or can the minister and the dept make any progress on it ?

Buford T. Justice XIX

Farmer Ed wrote: »

Well I can't say I disagree with you. Yes of course he was correct. Don't know what the farm made? But assuming 10k per acre. Near cork city sea views ect.You are looking at €4m? Plus another million to put in the 400 cow's. So yes I agree tying up €5 m, standing in a hole and getting **** on would probably not be the most clever thing in the world to have done. Buy he did seem to give everyone the impression that he was mad keen on the idea? Possibly he was only having a laugh with harvest 2020?

I suppose the fact that he always agreed with you would suggest that both of you must have very similar ideology.

That's unfair on rangler. His point was that Coveney would say yes to anybody that canvassed him to the point of agreeing to two opposed requests. Such is the way of politics.

Farmer Ed

Buford T. Justice V wrote: »

That's unfair on rangler. His point was that Coveney would say yes to anybody that canvassed him to the point of agreeing to two opposed requests. Such is the way of politics.

Sorry for being slow and here was me thinking rangler was happy with his performance.

Water John

Creed is an improvement on Coveney. The live trade was killed off, (excusing the pun) by Coveney, for the select few. He boasted we had higher animal transport standards than The Dutch. These were simply blockers.

FG farmers in the Midlands (Irish Times) had it in for Coveney, when he went for Leader. So it matters how you treat people.
The live exports are as a result of the change of Minister, partly, I presume.
Creed has SWFA to do with the rise in the price of milk.
The Glas fiasco is on his watch. It seems the required number of staff are not assigned to it.

Sheep breeder

croot wrote: »

I think people are being unfair to Creed. I don't know if people remember but last Autumn the cattle trade was facing into a black hole. The general opinion was that we'd all be giving away our cattle for free in the spring and then paying Larry to take them off us by summer.

The whole live export business has been a game changer and while he mightn't be credited with setting that up he shouldn't be credited with the Glas mess either. That should be a sacking for the senior Dept of Ag person in charge of it.

Creed didn't get the export markets, it was the hard work of the shippers who went and done the hard work and put their money into it and it is these guys who fill the lorrys and boats to get the cattle out of the country and fair play to them.

pedigree 6

Sheep breeder wrote: »

Creed didn't get the export markets, it was the hard work of the shippers who went and done the hard work and put their money into it and it is these guys who fill the lorrys and boats to get the cattle out of the country and fair play to them.

Another point is that a big supplier of live exports to Turkey was France and that supply was cut off after the blue tongue epidemic in France. The Irish exporters spotted an opportunity (gap in the market ) and took it with both hands.
Fair play to them.

Good loser

Sheep breeder wrote: »

Creed didn't get the export markets, it was the hard work of the shippers who went and done the hard work and put their money into it and it is these guys who fill the lorrys and boats to get the cattle out of the country and fair play to them.

That's true. But Creed had to make the agreements to allow the deals be made.

Bass Reeves

Good loser wrote: »

That's true. But Creed had to make the agreements to allow the deals be made.

TBF to Creed he is much more open to live exports than Covney was. He has pushed through the paper works for boats and for exporters. This is all exporters want is as little as possible red tape

Farmer Ed

Any thoughts on the Ministers performance regarding the way he dealt with the tillage protest? As I'm not a tillage man myself I don't really have a good grasp on the background to the cause of the protest. But to be fair from a distance I actually thought he handled the protest itself pretty well. Didn't get excited or go of inflaming the situation with high court injunctions or legal threats and all sides walked away with egos intact. Credit to the minster? Or just a good working relationship between IFA and the department regarding the management of protests?

Username John

Farmer Ed wrote: »

Any thoughts on the Ministers performance regarding the way he dealt with the tillage protest? As I'm not a tillage man myself I don't really have a good grasp on the background to the cause of the protest. But to be fair from a distance I actually thought he handled the protest itself pretty well. Didn't get excited or go of inflaming the situation with high court injunctions or legal threats and all sides walked away with egos intact. Credit to the minster? Or just a good working relationship between IFA and the department regarding the management of protests?

The only outcome of the protest I heard was that the IFA and the dept were going to sit down, and the dept wouldn't have a list of preconditions coming into the meeting...

To be honest, it sounded like a very easy one for the minister to give on. It means he still doesn't have to do anything, just pretend to be going in with an open mind...

But - like yourself Ed, I wouldn't know a lot about tillage...