Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2016

jayo26

https://www.instagram.com/p/BGR_u9WIwb6/

josemourinho: An honour to host Pele at my new house

Lord TSC

http://imgur.com/MYpBxOt

Jose in the match program, talking very briefly bout United.

And Ibrahimovic has said he'll have a big announcement on the 7th, and implied it was his choice for next season

fergiesfolly

WarZ wrote: »

I never said United weren't a big club I said they weren't as big a club as Juventus

Go way and have a word with yourself lad.

LiamoSail

WarZ wrote: »

I never said United weren't a big club I said they weren't as big a club as Juventus
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Granted, United have never beaten Shamrock Rovers in Tallaght, or won any Italian domestic honours, but even as a Liverpool fan I have to say that United edge this one

Manutd_4life

Lord TSC wrote: »

And Ibrahimovic has said he'll have a big announcement on the 7th, and implied it was his choice for next season

Buzzing. Can't wait to see him in a United shirt. The 7th is in 2 days!!!

WarZ

LiamoSail wrote: »

Granted, United have never beaten Shamrock Rovers in Tallaght, or won any Italian domestic honours, but even as a Liverpool fan I have to say that United edge this one

The trophy cabinets prove otherwise.

irishchris

Lord TSC wrote: »

http://imgur.com/MYpBxOt

Jose in the match program, talking very briefly bout United.

And Ibrahimovic has said he'll have a big announcement on the 7th, and implied it was his choice for next season

Love how Jose refers to old Trafford as his new house

Billy86

WarZ wrote: »

I never said United weren't a big club I said they weren't as big a club as Juventus in response to a poster that said the only clubs bigger than United were Madrid, Bayern and Barcelona.

I've posted in lots of other threads and I fail to see how what team I support is relevant.

That's because right now, Man Utd are a bigger club than Juventus due to the state of Serie A, and it's really not up for debate. Juve right now (as in, the last 4-5 years) are a better run and better managed side than Man Utd, which is also not really up for debate.

Isn't Buffon their highest paid player only on around 80k/wk? Probably has something to do with having to downsize to a 40,000 seater stadium because they couldn't even come that close to filling out the 67,000 seater Stadio del Alpi? This season they lagged behind both Milan and Napoli for average attendance. Meanwhile at Old Trafford, in our most thoroughly dull and wretched season since the 1980s, we had an average of over 72,000 - the highest in the Premier League by 14,000 per game. We sold 96.4% of our tickets in a stadium that's almost double the size of Juventus' - had they been able to match that percentage of tickets sold, they would have been able to put more bums in seats than Napoli.

Like I said, not up for debate - which is why you got laughed out of the other thread.

Billy86

WarZ wrote: »

The trophy cabinets prove otherwise.

Are you going to go back to claiming Man Utd never won the league before 1993?

Perhaps you will attempt to include making it to cup finals as being just-as-good as winning them?

Maybe you'll delight us by claiming that Serie A is not currently weaker than England because it was a much higher standard than the Premiership "up until very recently" (for those who consider 15-20 years ago to be 'very recent').

And of course, everyone looks at Intercontinental Cups, Intertoto Cups and Italian/European Super Cups as major trophies. :pac:

Are there any other gems I have forgotten here?

RobertKK

Sure how long was the old lady of Juventus corrupt before being found out?

WarZ

Billy86 wrote: »

Are you going to go back to claiming Man Utd never won the league before 1993?

Perhaps you will attempt to include making it to cup finals as being just-as-good as winning them?

Maybe you'll delight us by claiming that Serie A is not currently weaker than England because it was a much higher standard than the Premiership "up until very recently" (for those who consider 15-20 years ago to be 'very recent').

And of course, everyone looks at Intercontinental Cups, Intertoto Cups and Italian/European Super Cups as major trophies. :pac:

Are there any other gems I have forgotten here?

I am not going over this again.

Juventus have won more domestic titles, more domestic cups, 2 CL to Manchester's 3, more Uefa cups, more supercups, more intercontinental cups. They have been runners up 7 times in the CL and been in an incredible 9 finals. I'm sorry but no matter how you spin it Juventus have more trophies than United and thus can be accurately said to be a bigger team

Unless you can change those facts then there's no point in even debating it. Juventus have won more trophies across the board.

Also I have no idea where you got the idea that the serie A was weak since 15-20 years ago from, it was 12 years ago that it was an all Italian final in the CL and there have been Italian winners in 2007, 2010. I would argue the Italian league has only really been weak since 2008.

0gac3yjefb5sv7

WarZ wrote: »

I am not going over this again.

Juventus have won more domestic titles, more domestic cups, 2 CL to Manchester's 3, more Uefa cups, more supercups, more intercontinental cups. They have been runners up 7 times in the CL and been in an incredible 9 finals. I'm sorry but no matter how you spin it Juventus have more trophies than United and thus can be accurately said to be a bigger team

Unless you can change those facts then there's no point in even debating it. Juventus have won more trophies across the board.

Also I have no idea where you got the idea that the serie A was weak since 15-20 years ago from, it was 12 years ago that it was an all Italian final in the CL and there have been Italian winners in 2007, 2010. I would argue the Italian league has only really been weak since 2008.

Ah but we are though. It's not really up for debate at all.

WarZ

Billy86 wrote: »

That's because right now, Man Utd are a bigger club than Juventus due to the state of Serie A, and it's really not up for debate. Juve right now (as in, the last 4-5 years) are a better run and better managed side than Man Utd, which is also not really up for debate.

Isn't Buffon their highest paid player only on around 80k/wk? Probably has something to do with having to downsize to a 40,000 seater stadium because they couldn't even come that close to filling out the 67,000 seater Stadio del Alpi? This season they lagged behind both Milan and Napoli for average attendance. Meanwhile at Old Trafford, in our most thoroughly dull and wretched season since the 1980s, we had an average of over 72,000 - the highest in the Premier League by 14,000 per game. We sold 96.4% of our tickets in a stadium that's almost double the size of Juventus' - had they been able to match that percentage of tickets sold, they would have been able to put more bums in seats than Napoli.

Like I said, not up for debate - which is why you got laughed out of the other thread.

All well and good except that I was specifically referring to who has more trophies not who has more Asian fans when comparing the teams pedigree.

I'm not going to argue that United are much more wealthy and have a larger supporter base. I was talking in purely footballing terms.

irishchris

WarZ wrote: »

All well and good except that I was specifically referring to who has more trophies not who has more Asian fans when comparing the teams pedigree.

I'm not going to argue that United are much more wealthy and have a larger supporter base. I was talking in purely footballing terms.

You have your "beliefs". We have our facts. Now run along back to your forum and leave us grown ups to talk

Hococop

Manutd_4life wrote: »

Buzzing. Can't wait to see him in a United shirt. The 7th is in 2 days!!!

Cheers Owen :P

WarZ

irishchris wrote: »

You have your "beliefs". We have our facts. Now run along back to your forum and leave us grown ups to talk

It's actually the other way around considering I'm arguing on the basis of facts.

I don't support some rival to Manchester United so I really don't have an agenda here.

Billy86

WarZ wrote: »

All well and good except that I was specifically referring to who has more trophies not who has more Asian fans when comparing the teams pedigree.

I'm not going to argue that United are much more wealthy and have a larger supporter base. I was talking in purely footballing terms.

So you consider Leeds to be a bigger club than Spurs, Sheffield Wednesday to be a bigger club than Man City, and Genoa, Bologna, Torino and Pro Vercelli to each be bigger than Roma, Lazio or Napoli.

Goalpost shifting effort in 3, 2, 1...

irishchris

WarZ wrote: »

It's actually the other way around considering I'm arguing on the basis of facts.

I don't support some rival to Manchester United so I really don't have an agenda here.

Lol. Bye bye now

WarZ

Billy86 wrote: »

So you consider Leeds to be a bigger club than Spurs, Sheffield Wednesday to be a bigger club than Man City, and Genoa, Bologna, Torino and Pro Vercelli to each be bigger than Roma, Lazio or Napoli.

Goalpost shifting effort in 3, 2, 1...

If you read my original posts you will see I based it on two factors, trophies and current standing. Juventus come out on top in both.

DARK-KNIGHT

WarZ wrote: »

All well and good except that I was specifically referring to who has more trophies not who has more Asian fans when comparing the teams pedigree.

I'm not going to argue that United are much more wealthy and have a larger supporter base. I was talking in purely footballing terms.

Whats wrong with having asian fans?

WarZ

Pheonix10 wrote: »

Ah but we are though. It's not really up for debate at all.

What position do you play?

WarZ

DARK-KNIGHT wrote: »

Whats wrong with having asian fans?

Did I say there was something wrong with having Asian fans?

Alf Veedersane

The Chinese: a great bunch of lads.

jayo26

WarZ wrote: »

All well and good except that I was specifically referring to who has more trophies not who has more Asian fans when comparing the teams pedigree.

I'm not going to argue that United are much more wealthy and have a larger supporter base. I was talking in purely footballing terms.

Ahh goway will ya sure if thats the case celtic and rangers are bigger then juventus and united and not far off barca you are totally disregarding quality of league and circumstances like juventus been relegate for match fixing ect ect.

As someone said juve are now a well run club but thats just about it they are winning a poor quality league at the moment thats all they did.

Id hate to see you if you did have an agenda then.

Billy86

WarZ wrote: »

If you read my original posts you will see I based it on two factors, trophies and current standing. Juventus come out on top in both.

Goalposts... shifted! :pac:

What ever happened to...

All well and good except that I was specifically referring to who has more trophies not who has more Asian fans when comparing the teams pedigree.

And the current standing is that Juventus play in a weak league and are unable to convince the top talents to go for them as a result, though they do an excellent job of picking up guys cast off from other teams or who are not in demand from the top guys (Vidal, Pogba, Pirlo).

Ignoring this does not make it go away, and means you think Celtic are a bigger club than Arsenal or Man City since we are avoiding strengths of leagues.

DARK-KNIGHT

WarZ wrote: »

What position do you play?

Cringe

RobertKK

I wonder how many more titles United could have if they did match fixing like Juventus did in the past?

jayo26

I think warz is a bit of a spoofer

sReq | uTeK

Lord TSC wrote: »

http://imgur.com/MYpBxOt

Jose in the match program, talking very briefly bout United.

And Ibrahimovic has said he'll have a big announcement on the 7th, and implied it was his choice for next season

Can't wait for him to join. People stressing about getting the best out of him and calling him lazy. He was coached that way. Keeping energy for the odd moments he gets to score. Another reason he will give his all is what he had to say about Mourinho.

Regarding Mancini sacking at Inter "he would be replaced by a guy called Jose Mourinho. I hadn't met him yet. He formed an attachment to me before we met. He would become a guy I was willing to die for"

WarZ

jayo26 wrote: »

Ahh goway will ya sure if thats the case celtic and rangers are bigger then juventus and united and not far off barca you are totally disregarding quality of league and circumstances like juventus been relegate for match fixing ect ect.

As someone said juve are now a well run club but thats just about it they are winning a poor quality league at the moment thats all they did.

Id hate to see you if you did have an agenda then.

I feel like I am repeating myself here, maybe people have short attention spans but as I have repeatedly said when I originally made the claim that Juventus were bigger than Man United in terms of pedigree I referred to trophy cabinet and current situation. From what I understand the match fixing titles were stripped from Juventus and are not included in their tally.

I think its fair to say Juventus are a bigger club than United looking at current circumstances and the trophy cabinets of both sides. Unfortunately a lot of posters here are either zealous fans of United or completely brainwashed by Sky Sports into believing that English clubs are the greatest, bestest clubs ever and that Wayne Rooney is a world class player on par with the likes of Neymar, Messi, Ronaldo, Suarez, Pogba, Aguero.

I dont support any rivals, if it must be known I am a Bayern Munich fan and I stand by my statement that Real Madrid, Barcelona, Bayern Munich and Juventus are all bigger clubs than Man United.

I don't feel the need to argue this any further, the trophy cabinet and the performances of both teams in Europe over the last 2 years agree with me.

jayo26

sReq | uTeK wrote: »

Regarding Mancini sacking at Inter "he would be replaced by a guy called Jose Mourinho. I hadn't met him yet. He formed an attachment to me before we met. He would become a guy I was willing to die for"

Imagine phil jones thinking this i couldsee him taking it literally.

Id love to see that attitude in the team next year its that kind of passion we been missing.

WarZ

Billy86 wrote: »

Goalposts... shifted! :pac:

What ever happened to...

If you actually read back to my original arguments I state that trophy cabinets and current standing are my standards. If that wasn't the case I would be arguing that Liverpool and AC Milan are bigger than United but I am not.

And the current standing is that Juventus play in a weak league and are unable to convince the top talents to go for them as a result, though they do an excellent job of picking up guys cast off from other teams or who are not in demand from the top guys (Vidal, Pogba, Pirlo).

I am not arguing who can attract the better players but who is currently the stronger team and have the better trophy cabinet. And once again the vast majority of their titles were won when the Serie A was the strongest league in Europe.

Ignoring this does not make it go away, and means you think Celtic are a bigger club than Arsenal or Man City since we are avoiding strengths of leagues.

You cannot compare the Serie A to the SPL. Even in its current state. If the Serie A was so weak then why in the last 10 years have the same number of Italian teams won the Champions League as English teams?

Trigger

Aul Duncan is being very positive these days

https://twitter.com/DuncanCastles/status/739520080615251968

Billy86

WarZ wrote: »

I think its fair to say Juventus are a bigger club than United looking at current circumstances and the trophy cabinets of both sides. Unfortunately a lot of posters here are either zealous fans of United or completely brainwashed by Sky Sports into believing that English clubs are the greatest, bestest clubs ever and that Wayne Rooney is a world class player on par with the likes of Neymar, Messi, Ronaldo, Suarez, Pogba, Aguero.

Your Man Utd fans comment doesn't wash since you were laughed out of the Jose Mourinho thread by fans of multiple clubs.

Your 'Sky Sports brainwashed' comment doesn't hold water because it was universally agreed in that very same thread that Barca, Madrid and Bayern are comfortably the biggest three clubs around right now.

You'll barely find anyone (you might well find no one) on here who would put Rooney in class with those guys. And this is the f'king Man United specific thread! :pac:

You're talking completely out of your arse, is what I guess I'm trying to say. This guy puts it better...

Lithium93_

astradave wrote: »

Aul Duncan is being very positive these days

https://twitter.com/DuncanCastles/status/739520080615251968

If and when the transfer does go through, cue English media repeating their headlines similar to when Martial joined last year..

That said, £35 million pounds could prove to be a bargain in a few years time.

irishchris

WarZ wrote: »

If you actually read back to my original arguments I state that trophy cabinets and current standing are my standards. If that wasn't the case I would be arguing that Liverpool and AC Milan are bigger than United but I am not.



I am not arguing who can attract the better players but who is currently the stronger team and have the better trophy cabinet. And once again the vast majority of their titles were won when the Serie A was the strongest league in Europe.




You cannot compare the Serie A to the SPL. Even in its current state. If the Serie A was so weak then why in the last 10 years have the same number of Italian teams won the Champions League as English teams?

Lol sad. You done now?
With you being a bayern Munich fan I could not think what could possibly have made you this bitter towards united :-) ............best not mention 99

Tippex

Lads stop feeding the troll.
Back onto the talk of transfers apart from Zlatan will we manage to get anyone over the line in the next week or so.
Would prefer to have a lot of the deals tied up quickly.

jayo26

Lithium93_ wrote: »

If and when the transfer does go through, cue English media repeating their headlines similar to when Martial joined last year..

That said, £35 million pounds could prove to be a bargain in a few years time.

Its actually 35 million euros mate better again.

WarZ

irishchris wrote: »

Lol sad. You done now?
With you being a bayern Munich fan I could not think what could possibly have made you this bitter towards united :-) ............best not mention 99

It says a lot about you if you honestly believe someone could be bitter over a defeat that happened 17 years ago


Speaking of Champions League in the last 3 years the following teams have made it to the finals: Bayern Munich, Real Madrid, Barcelona, Juventus coincidentally the four teams I said were bigger than United (the other teams that made it to CL finals were Dortmund and Atletico)

Manutd_4life

I'm loving the bitterness from opposition fans atm!!! :P

The season hasn't even begun and opposition fans are blabbing out random baloney for the sake of it - ' Juventus are a bigger team than United.' lol

Alf Veedersane

jayo26 wrote: »

Its actually 35 million euros mate better again.

Balague says 40 million yoyos so it's probably that, given his record

WarZ

Manutd_4life wrote: »

I'm loving the bitterness from opposition fans atm!!! :P

The season hasn't even begun and opposition fans are blabbing out random baloney for the sake of it - ' Juventus are a bigger team than United.' lol

I'm not a rival fan. And if you look at the records of both teams and the current situation of both teams then Juventus are the bigger team.

Lord TSC

Right lads, let's move on from the Juventus thing. If you feel someone is trolling, report and ignore. Thats always the line.

jayo26

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

Balague says 40 million yoyos so it's probably that, given his record

Definitely not 40 million euro then so.

54and56

[Deleted User] wrote: »

United have a proven winner with Premier League form in Jose so they will easily make top 4..

. Just like the team he led from 1st to nowhere last year 😂. All aboard the Jose bus.

Juan8

WarZ wrote: »

I feel like I am repeating myself here, maybe people have short attention spans but as I have repeatedly said when I originally made the claim that Juventus were bigger than Man United in terms of pedigree I referred to trophy cabinet and current situation. From what I understand the match fixing titles were stripped from Juventus and are not included in their tally.

I think its fair to say Juventus are a bigger club than United looking at current circumstances and the trophy cabinets of both sides. Unfortunately a lot of posters here are either zealous fans of United or completely brainwashed by Sky Sports into believing that English clubs are the greatest, bestest clubs ever and that Wayne Rooney is a world class player on par with the likes of Neymar, Messi, Ronaldo, Suarez, Pogba, Aguero.

I dont support any rivals, if it must be known I am a Bayern Munich fan and I stand by my statement that Real Madrid, Barcelona, Bayern Munich and Juventus are all bigger clubs than Man United.

I don't feel the need to argue this any further, the trophy cabinet and the performances of both teams in Europe over the last 2 years agree with me.

I'd call 20 English titles more impressive than 26 Bundesligas, it's not like we can buy Chelsea/City's/Liverpool's best players every summer ye know :rolleyes: On the pitch Bayern are better now, but the overall size of the clubs is the same, United are on the same level as Bayern, Barca, Real Madrid and Juventus whether you like it or not

Manutd_4life

WarZ wrote: »

I'm not a rival fan. And if you look at the records of both teams and the current situation of both teams then Juventus are the bigger team.

Lol what exactly is the point of this argument may I ask. What exactly are you trying to get across - it's as if you won't stop unless we United fans give in and say 'Oh you're actually right buddy, Juventus are without a doubt the bigger team,'

Give it a break and bring your trolling somewhere else

Edit: Speaking of trolling, Mod to the rescue

Billy86

WarZ wrote: »

If you actually read back to my original arguments I state that trophy cabinets and current standing are my standards. If that wasn't the case I would be arguing that Liverpool and AC Milan are bigger than United but I am not.

That's funny because I could have SWORN when I brought up the weakness of Serie A right now (see: Juventus downsizing their stadium and unable to sell tickets, unable to pay wages even in the same ballpark as Man Utd, and having less European spots) it all of a sudden was...

I was specifically referring to who has more trophies

But when it is pointed out that that makes Leeds bigger than Spurs and Pro Vercelli bigger than Roma, it mysteriously again becomes about 'recent success'.

I am not arguing who can attract the better players but who is currently the stronger team and have the better trophy cabinet.

Funny, because I could have SWORN your original comment was about Man Utd not being 'one of the biggest jobs in the world' when it comes to football management. If it's not, then it's not as appealing or attractive as the 'real' big ones, which makes me wonder how you can even try to claim to NOT be talking about the 'pull factor' of a club (something you seem to think is irrelevant to the size of a club and it's managerial job, which is hilarious but a different matter of it's own).

And once again the vast majority of their titles were won when the Serie A was the strongest league in Europe.

Which ones was Italy the strongest league in Europe for, and I want you to name more than 25 of them since you insisted on using the term "vast majority".

Winners (32): 1905, 1925–26,[114] 1930–31, 1931–32, 1932–33, 1933–34, 1934–35, 1949–50, 1951–52, 1957–58, 1959–60, 1960–61, 1966–67, 1971–72, 1972–73, 1974–75, 1976–77, 1977–78, 1980–81, 1981–82, 1983–84, 1985–86, 1994–95, 1996–97, 1997–98, 2001–02, 2002–03, 2004–05[nb 5], 2005–06[nb 5], 2011–12, 2012–13, 2013–14, 2014–15, 2015–16

I look forward to hearing you tell us how and in some detail, Italy was definitely the best league in Europe in the 30s and before, in the 1950s, in the 2000s, and in the 2010s. This will be entertaining.

Well either that or you'll try to shift the goalposts again and hope nobody notices. Hhhmmm, which will it be?

You cannot compare the Serie A to the SPL. Even in its current state. If the Serie A was so weak then why in the last 10 years have the same number of Italian teams won the Champions League as English teams?

You can compare England to Italy like you can compare Italy to Scotland. It is comparing a stronger league against a weaker one.

Why do you think England has more Champions League spots than Italy? Go on, it's because of Sky Sports hyping up Wayne Rooney, isn't it?

Hococop

Berb goal

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Berbatov scores at OT again.:)