Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2016

bangkok

RedemptionZ wrote: »

You can't use physical threats to make someone have sex with you or your friends. I think/hope maybe you're not reading this properly?

just to say, if de gea did make physical threats, why did she not go to the police straight away, or why did she go to the hotel room with the players?

Pyjamarama

bangkok wrote: »

"The women is a protected witness for the Torbe case, a police investigation to find out whether the famous Spanish porn director Torbe recorded some of his videos with minors. She was not a minor in 2012, El Diario says.


According to this early reports, De Gea did not assault the women but told her to have sex with his teammates and used physical threats to convince her."

nothing in it as far as de gea is concerned

Wow... That's... That's the worst post in the history of boards. Congrats. Threatening a girl to force her to have sex is nothing...

TheDoc

Just as I was pumped for a good summer in terms of United, this happens .

Look forward to crass jokes from rival fans, and basically a long drawn out load of nonsense until something is confirmed in the courts.

TheTownie

De Gea was due to speak at a presser today it seems. He won't be there now obviously.

Ed Malyon ‏@eaamalyon 4m4 minutes ago
De Gea is now talking to his lawyers, and won't be speaking at today's press conference. Spain expected to have one anyway.

0gac3yjefb5sv7

All sounds like BS

Billy86

bangkok wrote: »

guillem balague...

De Gea has not been sent home. He is in the hotel with the national team. There is a court case on the way. Innocent till proven guilty

Aw crap, DDG is definitely at home and is definitely guilty then.

bangkok

Pyjamarama wrote: »

Wow... That's... That's the worst post in the history of boards. Congrats. Threatening a girl to force her to have sex is nothing...

all this happened through telephone and whatsapp. if she was so worried at the time why not go to police?

she was turning up to a hotel to meet 2 footballers she had never met before for money. classy

Pyjamarama

bangkok wrote: »

just to say, if de gea did make physical threats, why did she not go to the police straight away, or why did she go to the hotel room with the players?

You realise turbe is implicated in human trafficking and rape in this trial right? She's a protected witness... theres a reason she's one. The trial is for a monster. (Not ddg obv although I reserve the right to call him that if he's guilty).

I can't believe I'm seeing these posts. Madness

Straight Edge Punk

bangkok wrote: »

all this happened through telephone and whatsapp. if she was so worried at the time why not go to police?

she was turning up to a hotel to meet 2 footballers she had never met before for money. classy

Are you really trying to blame the woman involved in this?

Korat

Sooo what about these daft hats Memphis has been wearing. Outrageous carry on. Someone needs to have a word with him.

Pyjamarama

bangkok wrote: »

all this happened through telephone and whatsapp. if she was so worried at the time why not go to police?

she was turning up to a hotel to meet 2 footballers she had never met before for money. classy

Are you for real? The girlis a protected witness in a human trafficking case...

TheTownie

Good news story. Jose texted McNair good luck. Awh...

McNair said: "He sent me a text message wishing me good luck for the tournament which was nice of him.

"I'm sure he'll be watching and I'll be trying my best and hopefully he likes what he sees."

bangkok

bangkok wrote: »

all this happened through telephone and whatsapp. if she was so worried at the time why not go to police?

she was turning up to a hotel to meet 2 footballers she had never met before for money. classy

Whether the allegations hold any truth is not my point here, but your posts so far on the story have been alarming.

Billy86

bangkok wrote: »

all this happened through telephone and whatsapp. if she was so worried at the time why not go to police?

she was turning up to a hotel to meet 2 footballers she had never met before for money. classy

Just stop before this turns into something that follows you for months.

TheDoc

Bangkok you have a tendancy to totally misinterpret reports and just basically mistrue whats fact and fiction

In a legal situation that will go to court, with potentially paedophilia and rape allegations, might be worth to not just go gung ho on what you believe to be the truth, before an actual case starts. We are not even an hour into the news being announced and you've dropped two clangers already

Mr.Prodston

bangkok wrote: »

all this happened through telephone and whatsapp. if she was so worried at the time why not go to police?

she was turning up to a hotel to meet 2 footballers she had never met before for money. classy

If you're taking the p!ss over something like this that's extremely concerning.

If you're not taking the p!ss over something like this and are actually serious that's even more concerning.

If only life was as straightforward as simply going to the police over something like this. I haven't tended to post here much and more fool me for responding to this but wow!

bangkok

TheDoc wrote: »

Bangkok you have a tendancy to totally misinterpret reports and just basically mistrue whats fact and fiction

In a legal situation that will go to court, with potentially paedophilia and rape allegations, might be worth to not just go gung ho on what you believe to be the truth, before an actual case starts. We are not even an hour into the news being announced and you've dropped two clangers already

seems to me this is a huge case being built against a spanish porn producer that has been accused of human trafficking as well as underage child abuse. he is the real "scum" if proven guilty.
what de gea did was wrong if proven true, but hardly worth time behind bars

Coat22

I REALLY hope this goes away very very quickly.

I've an 8 year old at home who idolises De Gea and already have to keep changing the subject every time he asks me "but dad why did Adam Johnson have to go to jail?"

Footballers - bloody hell

J. Marston

bangkok wrote: »

seems to me this is a huge case being built against a spanish porn producer that has been accused of human trafficking as well as underage child abuse. he is the real "scum" if proven guilty.
what de gea did was wrong if proven true, but hardly worth time behind bars

What would be an appropriate punishment, in your opinion?

Dimithy

bangkok wrote: »

TheDoc wrote: »

Bangkok you have a tendancy to totally misinterpret reports and just basically mistrue whats fact and fiction

In a legal situation that will go to court, with potentially paedophilia and rape allegations, might be worth to not just go gung ho on what you believe to be the truth, before an actual case starts. We are not even an hour into the news being announced and you've dropped two clangers already

seems to me this is a huge case being built against a spanish porn producer that has been accused of human trafficking as well as underage child abuse. he is the real "scum" if proven guilty.
what de gea did was wrong if proven true, but hardly worth time behind bars

You dont think threatening someone to make them have sex with someone is deserving of jail time?

TheDoc

bangkok wrote: »

seems to me this is a huge case being built against a spanish porn producer that has been accused of human trafficking as well as underage child abuse. he is the real "scum" if proven guilty.
what de gea did was wrong if proven true, but hardly worth time behind bars

As Lord says, innocent until proven guilty.

My only issue here at this exact moment is that it's another disruption to the pre-season in the goalkeeper position, more unsettling of our best player and a constant narrative throughout the summer that could overshadow any good work with transfers etc.

Obviously that is my take right now. If it transpires after legal proceedings he is guilty of a criminal offence, I'll revisit my opinion on him then.

But I definitly won't blindly defend him. I've been disgusted enough by fans regarding Ched Evans and elsewhere and how fans can just totally skew their moral compass when it turns out to then be a player of their team.

So I'm going to keep my opinions to myself until I see what actually transpires.

Not that I'm saying others should also, just my take. But I'll be annoyed now if the thread turns into mayhem with other fans and posters coming in having digs or this becoming the entire summer narrative

bangkok

J. Marston wrote: »

What would be an appropriate punishment, in your opinion?

we have to wait until the court case in fairness, we barely know any of the facts yet. Suspended sentence max though at the time being. he didnt bring them to hotel or force them to do anything they didnt want to

Adamcp898

Kinda makes a bit more sense now why there's little talk of him going anywhere when compared with last Summer

keane2097

bangkok wrote: »

all this happened through telephone and whatsapp. if she was so worried at the time why not go to police?

she was turning up to a hotel to meet 2 footballers she had never met before for money. classy

Ugh you are just vile.

Rayne Wooney

Unfortunately it sounds like the bit about De Gea organising it could be true, the physical abuse stuff could easily be made up on the witness' part, it wouldn't be the first time a witness implicated others to make them look as good as possible, but the names I doubt somebody would pull out of the air

Wonder if he'd get off lightly, a fine, if he honestly didn't know they were underage and didn't take part in the actual stuff


Or it could all be made up, who knows at this point

Coat22

Adamcp898 wrote: »

Kinda makes a bit more sense now why there's little talk of him going anywhere when compared with last Summer

Well a new contract signed last September compared to 12 months remaining on one this time last year might have an awful to more to do with that

Lord TSC

De Gea is set to give a press conference at half five,a cording to Marca. Would imagine he will just deny any allegations and say he will cooperate fully with the investigation.

Pyjamarama

bangkok wrote: »

we have to wait until the court case in fairness, we barely know any of the facts yet. Suspended sentence max though at the time being. he didnt bring them to hotel or force them to do anything they didnt want to

Really... he's accused of forcing her under threat of violence in the quotes you posted...

bucketybuck

Coat22 wrote: »

I REALLY hope this goes away very very quickly.

I've an 8 year old at home who idolises De Gea and already have to keep changing the subject every time he asks me "but dad why did Adam Johnson have to go to jail?"

Your 8 year old United fan keeps asking you about why Adam Johnson had to go to jail? Really? In those words? Out of everything posted here today that seems slightly incongruous.

Also, I too now appreciate the Depay "fashion and cars hour" much more than I did previously.

Dimithy

bangkok wrote: »

J. Marston wrote: »

What would be an appropriate punishment, in your opinion?

we have to wait until the court case in fairness, we barely know any of the facts yet. Suspended sentence max though at the time being. he didnt bring them to hotel or force them to do anything they didnt want to

Threatening someone is pretty much forcing them.

Coat22

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

Wonder if he'd get off lightly, a fine, if he honestly didn't know they were underage and didn't take part in the actual stuff

The age of consent in Spain was 13 in 2012 when this is alleged to have taken place - surely, surely we're not talking about someone who was under 13 at the time?

Giggsy11

De Gea arranged the meeting and 2 footballers assaulted a women?

Cris ‏@serendipities 2h2 hours ago

Going to try to summarize in English. There's an ongoing case against a porn producer who was trafficking and abusing women in Spain.
They're calling it "The Torbe Case". A protected witness testified that she was taken to a hotel where she was abused by 2 footballers.
Torbe forced her into the encounter, claiming she was going to be paid very well. Muniain and an unnamed footballer sexually assaulted her.
De Gea was apparently the one who called Torbe for her services. They kept in touch afterwards because they were trying to keep her quiet.
She says that later on, De Gea also tried to arrange another encounter with 5 Man Utd players but there's no proof this ever happened.
However, De Gea is mentioned in another Torbe related incident where a minor claims that she was raped by Torbe and...
That this was recorded so that it could be sent to De Gea and other Athletic Bilbao players.

What a **** thing to get involved in.

Giggsy11

Pyjamarama wrote: »

Really... he's accused of forcing her under threat of violence in the quotes you posted...

I don't think it was De Gea who assaulted her, according to reports it's Munian and other footballer. De Gea set up the meeting.

Coat22

bucketybuck wrote: »

Your 8 year old United fan keeps asking you about why Adam Johnson had to go to jail? Really? In those words? Out of everything posted here today that seems slightly incongruous.

Not keeps asking me - asks me about once every 6 weeks - whats do you find so unbelievable about that???? 8 year olds do know players from other clubs! Have you ever heard of Match Attax and the school yard?

Obviously no kids yourself there mate

GavRedKing

Coat22 wrote: »

The age of consent in Spain was 13 in 2012 when this is alleged to have taken place - surely, surely we're not talking about someone who was under 13 at the time?

I think and I could be wrong that the age of conesnt in that case only applies if both parties are under 18.

I dont think it allows for an 18 year old or older to go off with a 13 or 14 year old but I'm open to correction.

Adamcp898

Coat22 wrote: »

Well a new contract signed last September compared to 12 months remaining on one this time last year might have an awful to more to do with that

It wouldn't really tbf.

TheTownie

El Confidencial now saying police found no evidence against the players accused.

http://www.elconfidencial.com/espana/2016-06-10/torbe-muniain-isco-seleccion-espanola_1215117/

Rayne Wooney

Coat22 wrote: »

The age of consent in Spain was 13 in 2012 when this is alleged to have taken place - surely, surely we're not talking about someone who was under 13 at the time?

Oh, so the girls were legal? That changes things

If that's the case I'd be inclined to believe the whole thing is bullshít, why would De Gea need to physically threaten women to have sex with other millionaires?

The bit in one of the above artices that said the girls weren't paid and that the pimp guy took it all stands out to me now

Obviously I could be wrong, and if so he deserves what he gets, but now I think it'll be fine

Pyjamarama

Giggsy11 wrote: »

I don't think it was De Gea who assaulted her, according to reports it's Munian and other footballer. De Gea set up the meeting.

If (and it's always if until we know more) he arranged it through a human trafficer then he would deserve the book tof be thrown at him.

RobertKK

When it comes to De Gea and the Torbe trial, I just hope the truth is the winner.

bangkok

here is what an article says...

"going to try to summarize in English. There's an ongoing case against a porn producer who was trafficking and abusing women in Spain.
They're calling it "The Torbe Case". A protected witness testified that she was taken to a hotel where she was abused by 2 footballers.
Torbe forced her into the encounter, claiming she was going to be paid very well. Muniain and an unnamed footballer sexually assaulted her.
De Gea was apparently the one who called Torbe for her services. They kept in touch afterwards because they were trying to keep her quiet.
She says that later on, De Gea also tried to arrange another encounter with 5 Man Utd players but there's no proof this ever happened.
However, De Gea is mentioned in another Torbe related incident where a minor claims that she was raped by Torbe and...
That this was recorded so that it could be sent to De Gea and other Athletic Bilbao players."

my taking on this at the moment...

Torbe was a porn producer. De gea called him up to arrange for a few of his girls to go to a hotel and meet with Isco and Munian. de gea told her to keep quiet about it. she was told she would be paid but wasnt...

Billy86

Coat22 wrote: »

Not keeps asking me - asks me about once every 6 weeks - whats do you find so unbelievable about that???? 8 year olds do know players from other clubs! Have you ever heard of Match Attax and the school yard?

Obviously no kids yourself there mate

Have to agree with you there, doesn't sound off at all. With all the rumours on a schoolyard, in the mid 90s I was convinced the players on Wolves literally were unable to kick a football straight and that an NHL player called Pavel Bure (remember when ice hockey got kind of, sort of, big in the mid 90s on Channel 4, if I recall? :pac: ) who I had been convinced was playing in the NHL since he was 11 years old.

Basically, your young lad has probably heard 37,485 stories as to why Adam Johnson was arrested. Hopefully the real one isn't one of them, or simply flew over his head (which seems to be the case if he is still asking).

Giggsy11

https://twitter.com/RafaelH117/status/741287612917383168

https://twitter.com/RafaelH117/status/741288164485156864

https://twitter.com/RafaelH117/status/741288633907433472

Maximus Alexander

Pyjamarama

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

Oh, so the girls were legal? That changes things

If that's the case I'd be inclined to believe the whole thing is bullshít, why would De Gea need to physically threaten women to have sex with other millionaires?

The bit in one of the above artices that said the girls weren't paid and that the pimp guy took it all stands out to me now

Obviously I could be wrong, and if so he deserves what he gets, but now I think it'll be fine

I hate this argument so much. Sure Adam Johnson is a millionaire... rape is rape. (Not saying that's what ddg did). There is no grey area.

bangkok

Pyjamarama wrote: »

If (and it's always if until we know more) he arranged it through a human trafficer then he would deserve the book tof be thrown at him.

seriously, how would de gea know he was a human trafficker?!

Coat22

Adamcp898 wrote: »

Coat22 wrote: »

Well a new contract signed last September compared to 12 months remaining on one this time last year might have an awful to more to do with that

It wouldn't really tbf.

Well it would - the clamour for De Gea last year was on the basis of him having one year left on his contract and no sign of him signing a new one hence the presumption that United would have to sell him or risk him walking away for nothing this summer.

Then he signed a new contract. All of a sudden its no so easy to force Uniteds hand. Hence there's nowhere near the presumption this year that United will have to sell him as there was last year

DrPhilG

The fact here is that we will almost certainly never know the truth.

Even if DDG arranged the meeting, that isn't illegal. Scummy maybe, but not illegal. As someone mentioned, the age if consent in Spain is crazy low so it's not likely that the girl was illegal.

If he threatened this girl to have sex with someone, I can't see how that could ever be proved. It'll be his word against hers.

So unfortunately I don't think we'll ever know the truth.

Let me be clear, I am not making any excuses for DDG if he's guilty. And even if he is not guilty in the eyes of the law, he is probably still guilty of being a scumbag, organising sex parties for his mates with barely legal girls, and cheating on his girlfriend.

RobertKK

So no proof, seems another case of being guilty with no evidence to back up why the person is guilty.

bangkok

DrPhilG wrote: »

The fact here is that we will almost certainly never know the truth.

Even if DDG arranged the meeting, that isn't illegal. Scummy maybe, but not illegal. As someone mentioned, the age if consent in Spain is crazy low so it's not likely that the girl was illegal.

If he threatened this girl to have sex with someone, I can't see how that could ever be proved. It'll be his word against hers.

So unfortunately I don't think we'll ever know the truth.

Let me be clear, I am not making any excuses for DDG if he's guilty. And even if he is not guilty in the eyes of the law, he is probably still guilty of being a scumbag, organising sex parties for his mates with barely legal girls, and cheating on his girlfriend.

cheating on his girlfriend how? by looking at a video?