Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2016

Clear Hearts

domrush wrote: »

The problem with DM is the really good ones tend to end up as box to box CMs. I certainly wouldn't call Vidal a DM, he was one of the most offensive players at Juve and doesn't sit back for Bayern either.

Kante (at a push), Busquets, Gundogan would be who I would be looking at on recent seasons for top 3

Khedira didn't even play half the season for Juve this year

Gundogan more like a mini-Kroos than a dm

Clear Hearts

domrush wrote: »

The problem with DM is the really good ones tend to end up as box to box CMs. I certainly wouldn't call Vidal a DM, he was one of the most offensive players at Juve and doesn't sit back for Bayern either.

Kante (at a push), Busquets, Gundogan would be who I would be looking at on recent seasons for top 3

Khedira didn't even play half the season for Juve this year

also you ignored the fact Gundogan has missed as much if not more time than Khedira with injuries

Trey13

Vidal and Khedira are nowhere near the top 3 DMs in the world.

I'd be looking at the likes of Modric, Busquets and Kroos as the 3 best currently.

domrush

Clear Hearts wrote: »

also you ignored the fact Gundogan has missed as much if not more time than Khedira with injuries

He's played far more league games in the past two years which I noted with 'recent seasons'

He's also much younger which I took into account in choosing, as with Kante

The lines between CM and DM can be blurred easily so obviously it's a very subjective topic

Clear Hearts

Trey13 wrote: »

Vidal and Khedira are nowhere near the top 3 DMs in the world.

I'd be looking at the likes of Modric, Busquets and Kroos as the 3 best currently.

Modric and Kroos both showed they arent dm this year, they needed Casemerio to come in for them to show how good they were. CM yes, like omg yes. DM dear God no

Clear Hearts

domrush wrote: »

He's played far more league games in the past two years which I noted with 'recent seasons'

He's also much younger which I took into account in choosing, as with Kante

The lines between CM and DM can be blurred easily so obviously it's a very subjective topic

Him being younger isnt relevant to his position in the game tbh.
Kante has had a great season but maybe a bit quick to rank him at the top, but I wont disagree with him being there Id nearly say it myself.
He hasnt though Gundogan has missed time each season through injury
I dont agree with you, I think you can define a dm easily enough, a world class dm can play cm, a world class cm cant play dm, so players like Khedira/Kante/Viera/Keane can be classed as dm/cm players like Kroos/Modric/Scholes/Seedorf cant

domrush

Clear Hearts wrote: »

Him being younger isnt relevant to his position in the game tbh.
Kante has had a great season but maybe a bit quick to rank him at the top, but I wont disagree with him being there Id nearly say it myself.
He hasnt though Gundogan has missed time each season through injury
I dont agree with you, I think you can define a dm easily enough, a world class dm can play cm, a world class cm cant play dm, so players like Khedira/Kante/Viera/Keane can be classed as dm/cm players like Kroos/Modric/Scholes/Seedorf cant

He has though, read their stats for the past two seasons. Gundogan's also played more games in the past 5 seasons despite being not being in his prime unlike Khedira but Khedira had a tougher job making the Madrid starting XI than Dortmund obviously.

There's a reason Gundogan was just bought for 20 mil while Khedira was allowed to leave on a free. Can't really hold Khedira up as being less than injury prone, either he missed most of the past few seasons through injury or he wasn't good enough to make the starting team, either is proof enough to me he's not in the top three in the world at the minute. Anyway we'll agree to disagree.

Clear Hearts

domrush wrote: »

He has though, read their stats for the past two seasons. Gundogan's also played more games in the past 5 seasons despite being not being in his prime unlike Khedira but Khedira had a tougher job making the Madrid starting XI than Dortmund obviously.

There's a reason Gundogan was just bought for 20 mil while Khedira was allowed to leave on a free. Can't really hold Khedira up as being less than injury prone, either he missed most of the past few seasons through injury or he wasn't good enough to make the starting team, either is proof enough to me he's not in the top three in the world at the minute. Anyway we'll agree to disagree.

I dont think Khedira is top 3, I like him but I think hes to injury prone hence why he was allowed to leave on a free, if he was 4 years younger and not at Madrid(A teal where reality doesnt exist, remember Beckham left on a free) he would have cost 20 easily

I do know Gundogans stats he played around 24 league games a season so pretty much has missed 10 games each year, my main point is hes not a dm for Dortmund Sven Bender and Castro play that role

Giggsy11

domrush wrote: »

He has though, read their stats for the past two seasons. Gundogan's also played more games in the past 5 seasons despite being not being in his prime unlike Khedira but Khedira had a tougher job making the Madrid starting XI than Dortmund obviously.

There's a reason Gundogan was just bought for 20 mil while Khedira was allowed to leave on a free. Can't really hold Khedira up as being less than injury prone, either he missed most of the past few seasons through injury or he wasn't good enough to make the starting team, either is proof enough to me he's not in the top three in the world at the minute. Anyway we'll agree to disagree.

Khedira left on free because he rejected extension, not that Madrid didn't value him. They offered him contract but he his demands were too much for Madrid. They tried but Khedira didn't agree.

Lithium93_

Just gonna leave this here, for anyone who wants to know, United's pre-season tour starts with in China against Borussia Dortmund & Manchester City on July 22nd & 25th respectively, with the annual season curtain raiser of the Community Shield at Wembley against Leicester on the 7th of August.

Also fixtures for the 2016/17 season will be released Wednesday morning @ 9:00 am.

And the draw for the Europa League group stages being made in Monaco on August 26th, with the group games kicking off on September 15th through to December 8th.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016%E2%80%9317_UEFA_Europa_League#Round_and_draw_dates

jayo26

Well that escalated

StringerBell

Clear Hearts wrote: »

Modric and Kroos both showed they arent dm this year, they needed Casemerio to come in for them to show how good they were. CM yes, like omg yes. DM dear God no

Thanked because anybody who shows my project player Casemiro love will receive love in return from me

Antibac

Few reports circulating on Twitter that Galatasary have been given the green light to sign Antonio Valencia

DARK-KNIGHT

****ing sick of madrid chasing big dave

Honestly hope he snubs the ****ers. They just play dirty all the time when it comes to transfers

Nalz

Yip Jaap Stam is a Reading man!

Reports saying he'll be annnounced as head coach at lunchtime today

jayo26

Nalz wrote: »

Yip Jaap Stam is a Reading man!

Reports saying he'll be annnounced as head coach at lunchtime today

I thougjt that was announced last week he just didnt do a presser but eitherways a tough job for him hopefully he be a success.

Mr.Prodston

Antibac wrote: »

Few reports circulating on Twitter that Galatasary have been given the green light to sign Antonio Valencia

I actually thought he played really well when he came back from injury in the last month or so. As close to a couple of years ago when he was in cracking form as he's gotten. I mean he even used his left foot a few times. So a pre-season with Jose couldn't hurt either.

I'd like him to stay around if he was happy to play a squad role.

bangkok

Antibac wrote: »

Few reports circulating on Twitter that Galatasary have been given the green light to sign Antonio Valencia

hope not

sReq | uTeK

Mr.Prodston wrote: »

I actually thought he played really well when he came back from injury in the last month or so. As close to a couple of years ago when he was in cracking form as he's gotten. I mean he even used his left foot a few times. So a pre-season with Jose couldn't hurt either.

I'd like him to stay around if he was happy to play a squad role.

Good god no. He's an anti footballer now. Constantly slows the game down and looks to pass it back when he has an opportunity to go forward. Not to mention I scream constantly at the TV every time there is a very simple left footed pass to be made but he can't do it.

G_Carty2016

GAA it better than soccer

Lithium93_

sReq | uTeK wrote: »

Good god no. He's an anti footballer now. Constantly slows the game down and looks to pass it back when he has an opportunity to go forward. Not to mention I scream constantly at the TV every time there is a very simple left footed pass to be made but he can't do it.

Glad to know I'm not the only one who does this.

ElChe32

G_Carty2016 wrote: »

GAA it better than soccer

Mr.Prodston

sReq | uTeK wrote: »

Good god no. He's an anti footballer now. Constantly slows the game down and looks to pass it back when he has an opportunity to go forward. Not to mention I scream constantly at the TV every time there is a very simple left footed pass to be made but he can't do it.

I am simply talking about the final month of the season. I think he played very well in those games. Forget other games in recent years. He got a few crosses in which led to goals too.

I too had that opinion to an extent but he surprised me with how well he played. He's not the answer but he's a solution to covering a few issues in the squad if injuries/rotation arises. Now it could have been a purple patch but it's not like the squad is particularly enamored with experienced squad players is it?

Lithium93_

G_Carty2016 wrote: »

GAA it better than soccer

Wrong forum buddy :P

Korat

sReq | uTeK wrote: »

Good god no. He's an anti footballer now. Constantly slows the game down and looks to pass it back when he has an opportunity to go forward. Not to mention I scream constantly at the TV every time there is a very simple left footed pass to be made but he can't do it.

He set up some crucial goals, notably Rashford v Villa and the winner in the FA Cup final. I thought he often had an impossible job covering the entire right flank himself when Mata went walk about or just offered no support in attack or defence. Darmian, Varela and TFM all had the same problem on that right side because of the lopsided system LVG employed.

KH25

Mr.Prodston wrote: »

I am simply talking about the final month of the season. I think he played very well in those games. Forget other games in recent years. He got a few crosses in which led to goals too.

I too had that opinion to an extent but he surprised me with how well he played. He's not the answer but he's a solution to covering a few issues in the squad if injuries/rotation arises. Now it could have been a purple patch but it's not like the squad is particularly enamored with experienced squad players is it?

My issue with Valencia is the insistence on playing him as a RB. He should only ever be played there in an absolute emergency. His positioning can be very weak at times as a defender. I would have no issue with keeping him in the team, but play him in his natural position! If he's not showing enough in training to be a winger don't go shoehorning him in at RB.

jayo26

Imagine going to all the bother of creating a new account and heading straight to the football forums to post that on a monday morning.

I thought you had to have garda vetting and permission to post in the football forums anyway.

jayo26

ElChe32 wrote: »

That is nsfw infact its not safe for anytime.

paulbok

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

Would this be the first time Madrid didn't get what they wanted?

No, happen that shower of c#"+s last year too.
#faxgate :-)

Lithium93_

jayo26 wrote: »

Imagine going to all the bother of creating a new account and heading straight to the football forums to post that on a monday morning.

I thought you had to have garda vetting and permission to post in the football forums anyway.

Open access has been granted for the Euros..

paulbok

G_Carty2016 wrote: »

GAA it better than soccer

ich bin ein ausländer

jayo26

Lithium93_ wrote: »

Open access has been granted for the Euros..

Ahh that explains alot of stuff past week or so i wasnt aware of that. They should limit the threads but hownever.

alchemist33

G_Carty2016 wrote: »

GAA it better than soccer

C'mere and give us a hug. There, there, it'll be okay. C'mon now, let it all out, there's a good lad...

paulbok

jayo26 wrote: »

Ahh that explains alot of stuff past week or so i wasnt aware of that. They should limit the threads but hownever.

Close the Euro borders

Clear Hearts

jayo26 wrote: »

Imagine going to all the bother of creating a new account and heading straight to the football forums to post that on a monday morning.

I thought you had to have garda vetting and permission to post in the football forums anyway.

Euros baby

Cookie_Dough

jayo26 wrote: »

Imagine going to all the bother of creating a new account and heading straight to the football forums to post that on a monday morning.

I thought you had to have garda vetting and permission to post in the football forums anyway.

I was wondering the same with a lot of new posters, but there's a temporary charter for the Euros and it's a free access!!

Trey13

Tony Valencia been a great servant to the club during times good and bad. Would be sad to see him leave, but I am hopeful that Darmian can come good and will make the right back position his own.

jayo26

Great to see david de gea starting for spain

jayo26

Trey13 wrote: »

Tony Valencia been a great servant to the club during times good and bad. Would be sad to see him leave, but I am hopeful that Darmian can come good and will make the right back position his own.

I think darmian is better then valencia already the reason valencia was played before darmian is because lvg wanted all out attacking wingbacks but in jose system ypung or valencia should never get near right back or left back.

Cookie_Dough

jayo26 wrote: »

Great to see david de gea starting for spain

Happy for him, hopefully he puts in a good performance. I thought Del Bosque would cave and bench him with what's currently going on.

Kick off 2 or 1:45?

jayo26

Cookie_Dough wrote: »

Happy for him, hopefully he puts in a good performance. I thought Del Bosque would cave and bench him with what's currently going on.

Kick off 2 or 1:45?

2 mate all kick offs are 2,5 or 8.

Great been able work around the euros ha.

Cookie_Dough

jayo26 wrote: »

2 mate all kick offs are 2,5 or 8.

Great been able work around the euros ha.

Cheers jayo. Ha I left work early! Hopefully I make it home for kick off. I don't think I have actually seen De Gea play for Spain yet!!

Cantona's Collars

With all the Euro stuff,I didn't even know until 2 minutes ago that Jaap Stam is the new Reading manager.

bangkok

good to see del bosque has came to his senses and started de gea

Trigger

Jaysus i think i picked the right week to take off

Is Dave our first starter at the tournament?

Mitch Connor

Deleted User wrote: »

Is Dave our first starter at the tournament?

No, smalling.

jayo26

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Is Dave our first starter at the tournament?

If you dont count smalling and rooney and mcnair? Yep he sure is

Cantona's Collars

https://twitter.com/TahithChong_/status/742294406309548032

bangkok

Deleted User wrote: »

Is Dave our first starter at the tournament?

rooney, smalling, paddy mcnair