Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2016

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Jimmy Iovine wrote: »

It's on the guardian site

sigh

I was hoping it was rubbish. Its a very big embarrassing episode for utd.

Wasting Police time and the poor supporters who have wasted their time and money. Also what about all the fans that have flown over too.

Xenji

They just mentioned on MOTD about it being a training dummy.

0gac3yjefb5sv7

bucketybuck wrote: »

We just had to evacuate Old Trafford on the final day of the Premier league season all because of internal blunders, of course its hugely embarrassing for the club.

In your opinion. I highly disagree. Will be forgotten about in a week's time.

bucketybuck

Minderbinder wrote: »

Do they really need to make a fake bomb for a training exercise look exactly like a real viable explosive? They could have at least put the company name and a big sign that it's not real on it.

They want their staff to be able to spot a viable device, can you think of a better way to test that than to make the fake bomb look like a viable device and see if the staff can spot it...

Chagan

At least we know it wasn't put there intentionally which is reassuring. The fact a bomb can go undetected for a few days is less so. I wonder how large an impact this fiasco will have on share prices etc., when it rains it pours for poor Ed.

You'd imagine this external company will be taken to the cleaners if it does turn out they're at fault.

NUTZZ

https://twitter.com/sistoney67/status/731960736742838280

5starpool

Pheonix10 wrote: »

In your opinion. I highly disagree. Will be forgotten about in a week's time.

You are in a minority I reckon.

Opposition fans will be taking the piss next season I reckon, certainly won't be forgotten next week.

Unearthly

Several questions come to mind.

Why were the devices not counted before and after exercise.

How did it not get spotted between Wednesday til today.

Embarrassing. Lessons to be learned

Hulk Hands

United hired an external company to carry out an exercise. That company messed up. How on earth is that embarrassing for United?

The_Kew_Tour

5starpool wrote: »

You are in a minority I reckon.

Opposition fans will be taking the piss next season I reckon, certainly won't be forgotten next week.

Oh no are opposition fans gonna make fun of us. Get a little thrill.

Ah boo hoo.

Come here where yer league titles!!!:pac::pac:

Minderbinder

Reedsie wrote: »

Couldn't a real bomber just do the same thing?

I guess they could make it look like a fake but obviously even that would be reported if you found it in the toilet. If there's a company name and a phone number on it then maybe this could be resolved quickly.

Xenji wrote: »

They are real though, just not viable.

I didn't know that. I wonder why?

TheTownie

Hulk Hands wrote: »

United hired an external company to carry out an exercise. That company messed up. How on earth is that embarrassing for United?

How do the toilets go unchecked from Wednesday to 20mins before kick off?

Do we even know for sure it was a steward who first found it? Could have been a fan.

Lithium93_

Even though it was a dummy device left behind, at least the club stewards acted quickly enough when informed, the company who left it behind however, a major, major fucking whoops on their part..

NUTZZ

TheTownie wrote: »

Do we even know for sure it was a steward who first found it? Could have been a fan.

I'm pretty sure I read it was a fan that found the device earlier today...

Xenji

Minderbinder wrote: »

I guess they could make it look like a fake but obviously even that would be reported if you found it in the toilet. If there's a company name and a phone number on it then maybe this could be resolved quickly.



I didn't know that. I wonder why?

It is to train sniffer dogs, you need to have explosives in the dummies for them to sniff out.

bucketybuck

Pheonix10 wrote: »

In your opinion. I highly disagree. Will be forgotten about in a week's time.

I'm not sure it even is opinion, this is something that affected tens of thousands of fans, affected the entire PL calendar, happened in front of live TV cameras, will cost the club millions, and it was all a needless scare caused by internal blunders. If that isn't cause for embarrassment then what is?

It might not have long reaching consequences, but whether something is embarrassing or not is not determined by how many people remember it next week.

Minderbinder

Hulk Hands wrote: »

United hired an external company to carry out an exercise. That company messed up. How on earth is that embarrassing for United?

Like another poster mentioned about three times already - the exercise was four days ago and it wasn't discovered by the club in all their security checks until just before kick off.

Lord TSC

NUTZZ wrote: »

I'm pretty sure I read it was a fan that found the device earlier today...

Stan Collymore tweeted it was a fan. Official club sources seemed to say it was staff.

The_Kew_Tour

To think we never have see LVG team in league again, now we have to wait till Tuesday!

Hitchens

Un****inbelievable......... lol :pac:

TheTownie

Xenji wrote: »

It is to train sniffer dogs, you need to have explosives in the dummies for them to sniff out.

Definitely should have a clear sign on it to say its a dummy!

Minderbinder

Xenji wrote: »

It is to train sniffer dogs, you need to have explosives in the dummies for them to sniff out.

That makes sense.

I still don't get why there wasn't anything written on the device to explain its use and where it came from. Unless the dogs might read that and ignore it.

adox

Lithium93_ wrote: »

Even though it was a dummy device left behind, at least the club stewards acted quickly enough when informed, the company who left it behind however, a major, major fucking whoops on their part..

No one found it until it was potentially too late. It's shambolic that a device can go unnoticed for 4 days in the ground in the lead up to a game and only be noticed 20 minutes before kick off with a near full stadium.

I don't see that that alone can't be anything but a huge embarrassment for the club.

Cantona's Collars

Somebody goes for a sh1te before going home,leaves the fake bomb down while doing their business and forgets about it.:rolleyes:

Jimmy Iovine

5starpool wrote:

Opposition fans will be taking the piss next season I reckon, certainly won't be forgotten next week.

Opposition fans who have little else going on in their lives? Yes.

Everyone else will be a bit more mature I'm sure.

Lord TSC

Minderbinder wrote: »

That makes sense.

I still don't get why there wasn't anything written on the device to explain its use and where it came from. Unless the dogs might read that and ignore it.

Other side is...if I see a phone and wires strapped to a package, I am not getting closer to check for "not a real bomb" tags. I am getting as far away from it as possible :P

K-9

Well at least somebody spotted it in the end!

It's a shame it was all for nothing for those who went to the match, but it'll probably increase security checks so some good will come out of it. The alternative, that somebody targeted a match, is far worse.

Cantona's Collars

Paully D

Can you imagine the Sunday night fear the bloke who left the device there has right now? :pac:

Manutd_4life

The fact that something like that can go unnoticed for that long is frightening and a bit embarrassing on the Old Trafford's staff part.

The thought though of somebody ****ting themselves as they realise it was them who forgot the bomb dummy is amusing. He's gonna have a rough Monday at work

TheTownie

Only one man can prevent a recurrence of this and thats Bill Lumbergh!

Hitchens

The chanting on Tuesday night should be good

Harry Palmr

Someone checked all those bombs out, someone didn't check all those bombs back in. Just amazing.

Liam McPoyle

Its unfathomable that it wasn't spotted until 20 minutes before kickoff

Cringeworthy.

5starpool

Jimmy Iovine wrote: »

Opposition fans who have little else going on in their lives? Yes.

Everyone else will be a bit more mature I'm sure.

You really think opposition fans in football stadiums are mature and won't take the piss a bit?

I didn't think it'll cause anyone to run away crying that the mean people are picking on them, but it was in response to someone saying it'll be forgotten in a week, no need to get all sensitive about it.

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bucketybuck wrote: »

I'm not sure it even is opinion, this is something that affected tens of thousands of fans, affected the entire PL calendar, happened in front of live TV cameras, will cost the club millions, and it was all a needless scare caused by internal blunders. If that isn't cause for embarrassment then what is?

It might not have long reaching consequences, but whether something is embarrassing or not is not determined by how many people remember it next week.

It was an external company no Ed himself that's why.

Quandary

LVG still being manager of the club - that's something to be properly embarrassed about. All our hopes of redemption now rest on winning the FA cup, which as nice and all as it is means SFA in the grand scheme of things.

The club have a whole lot more to be embarrassed about. This fake bomb blunder is just a cherry on top of the sh1t cake of embarrassment That is this season.

Manutd_4life

I wish this 'private company' was named.

It seems that all the blame is heading towards the United camp when this company is the one that should be ridiculed. Whoever is responsible for this massive f**k up is not going to have a pleasant time tomorrow at work

shane.

Just shows how often they clean the toilets!

TitianGerm

Pheonix10 wrote: »

It was an external company no Ed himself that's why.

It was an external company that left it there all right but what people are saying is that was in the toilet from sometime Wednesday and was only spotted this afternoon.

Now if a real terrorist went on a club tour and left behind a device that went unnoticed for four days and there was 50 thousand people in the stand twenty minutes before the match began and that device detonated then there would be serious casualties.

The question is how was that device not spotted for four days?

blackwhite

The fact that no one thought, "phone strapped to a pipe sounds a little like the training exercise from Wednesday" is getting me pretty pissed off tbh.

K-9

Manutd_4life wrote: »

I wish this 'private company' was named.

It seems that all the blame is heading towards the United camp when this company is the one that should be ridiculed. Whoever is responsible for this massive f**k up is not going to have a pleasant time tomorrow at work

That's Company PR spin tbh. The bomb was in the stadium after the exercise and nobody spotted it.

ArmaniJeanss

blackwhite wrote: »

The fact that no one thought, "phone strapped to a pipe sounds a little like the training exercise from Wednesday" is getting me pretty pissed off tbh.

Someone may have thought of that literally within 10 seconds. But unless it could actually be confirmed very very quickly then you really have to go through the ground evacuation process.

blackwhite

K-9 wrote: »

That's Company PR spin tbh. The bomb was in the stadium after the exercise and nobody spotted it.

Hey! They just work there. Bomb shaped objects that are identical to that training exercise from 4 days ago should be ignored

blackwhite

ArmaniJeanss wrote: »

Someone may have thought of that literally within 10 seconds. But unless it could actually be confirmed very very quickly then you really have to go through the ground evacuation process.

No issue with the evac process. As someone who was there today I'm v grateful for how well the evac worked. Police and Stewart's prevented a possible hillsborough

More the point is that it took 90 min and they went down the controlled explosion route, followed by another 4-5 hours before any mention of the botched training exercise. Not exactly a sign of good emergency management

Chagan

blackwhite wrote: »

The fact that no one thought, "phone strapped to a pipe sounds a little like the training exercise from Wednesday" is getting me pretty pissed off tbh.

But even if they were aware of the exercise, once the device is found you have treat the situation as if it's the real deal. They couldn't take the risk of dismissing it as a dummy. If a terrorist can build a bomb and get it into a stadium then you would assume they can also make a sticker saying it's fake and don't worry about it.

The incident was handled perfectly today IMO. The company at fault should be grateful that there wasn't widespread panic that could have created a legitimate threat to people's safety. The cock up was in a) not realising the thing was missing and b) failing to find it before this afternoon.

Guy:Incognito

Minderbinder wrote: »

Do they really need to make a fake bomb for a training exercise look exactly like a real viable explosive? They could have at least put the company name and a big sign that it's not real on it.

The dogs can read

Edit.beaten to it

newballsplease wrote: »

How the f##k do you manage to forget to bring home your fake bomb after a training course!! Lol

Whatever about forgetting it to begin with but you'd imagine the guy would remember over the course of 4 days. Hearing on the tv/radio that old trafford has been evacuated because of a suspicious package you'd think might give the brain a jolt too.

Cookie_Dough

Maybe the staff member that found it wasn't aware of the training exercise? I'm sure they have extra staff on matchdays that may not work during week.

Also doesn't say much that a specialist company failed to locate all of their "bombs" before finishing on Wednesday

Guy:Incognito

I want to believe a fan found it. Mostly because i'm imagining it in a Lethal Weapon type scenario where the guy cops it mid **** and has to finish ****ting himself while ****ting himself before legging it to report it.

StringerBell

Look there is fault here to go around.

The company who left the bomb behind will be firing someone for sure, but United, though they acted brilliantly today with how the situation was handled cannot be totally absolved in a situation where this thing was missed since Wednesday if it was in fact there that long.

It will all be for the best hopefully, better security checks and measures will come in to place from now on given the highly public nature of it and that it happened at the ground of the biggest club in England when so many people were watching.