Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2016

bucketybuck

A parade? Isn't that expecting a little too much?

UnitedIrishman

bucketybuck wrote: »

A parade? Isn't that expecting a little too much?

Yeah it's a bit much but all winners do it. That said I've very little faith in us beating Palace.

Billy86

RobertKK wrote: »

I don't think Custis would just make this up. I think one reason Ed has stood by LVG is the fact the two men and their wives are said to be really good friends and do dine out together.
So I could see Ed not having the courage to sack LVG without offering him another role at the club.

If that's the case, Woodward lacks the professionalism to be a manager in a call centre or retail shop. Not saying it isn't, but that carry on drives me nuts.

Minderbinder

In all seriousness they would have to assess if enough people would turn up for a parade. I think they could manage a small trip around OT and there'd be enough people there to avoid embarrassment. Anything more ambitious should be out of the question.

Mr.Crinklewood

The United team bus has just arrived at Wembley.

Liam McPoyle

Mr.Crinklewood wrote: »

The United team bus has just arrived at Wembley.

The lads are clearly there early to plant some suspect devices. Every advantage and all that.

Nalz

adox wrote: »

Van Gaals exit should be exactly that, an exit. Don't want him hanging around the club. He made a mess of his time in charge and should be nowhere near the club going forward.

bangkok

just on van gaal and the DOF stuff, no one here has any idea of what he is doing behind the scenes, yes on the field it has been poor, but maybe he has re-structured the club academy, training ground etc and would make a good DOF..

if Mourinho came on board as manager with LVG as director of football i dont think there would be too many on here upset

fergiesfolly

Ferguson's first teamsheet bears no comparison to LVGs current choice of players.
Ferguson steps into a complete mess of a club and rebuilt from scratch.
LVG had a pretty good set-up handed to him and a huge budget to re-build a squad.
Banners calling for Fergusons head shouldn't be compared to those calling for LVG's.

adox

Nalz wrote: »

No idea why you posted that.

Rossi IRL

I think Phil Jones is in the squad lads.

They tweeted out pictures of the kit men loading up the kits for the final and Jones's was there.

We are wearing the white kit.

weisses

Lord TSC wrote: »

Would be worried having a DoF who not three days ago was saying fans were expecting too much if they weren't happy with challenging for forth.

What about being a DoF and not being able to speak comprehensive English ?

Lord TSC

weisses wrote: »

What about being a DoF and not being able to speak comprehensive English ?

I'd be of the believe that a language is easier to learn than ambition...

Lord TSC

Sky saying United are not planning to appoint a DoF (conspiracist in me says that would be the official line as it otherwise spills beans on LVG going).

Also saying there will be no parade as too many players are heading off on Euro duty after the match.

Maximus Alexander

fergiesfolly wrote: »

Ferguson's first teamsheet bears no comparison to LVGs current choice of players.
Ferguson steps into a complete mess of a club and rebuilt from scratch.
LVG had a pretty good set-up handed to him and a huge budget to re-build a squad.
Banners calling for Fergusons head shouldn't be compared to those calling for LVG's.

You don't even need to go to that level of detail to discredit this line of thought since the logic is awful even on its face.

The implication is that any manager who has a poor tenure is likely to eventually turn it around like Ferguson if given enough time, as though what Ferguson did is common, or an inevitability. Whereas it's clearly much more likely that a bad manager will just carry on being bad.

chupacabra

How sad am I that I was out and about for work on Wednesday night and bumped into some Liverpool fans who told me the final score and all I wanted to do was finish early, rush home and read the end of the match thread. :pac:

You guys bring that little bit of happiness that gets me through the harsh realities of life in rural Estonia.

bangkok

http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11669/10284948/liverpool-will-beat-sevilla-in-style-in-europa-league-final-says-graeme-souness


:pac:

weisses

Lord TSC wrote: »

I'd be of the believe that a language is easier to learn than ambition...

A person can have all the ambition or lack off they want but being a DoF requires a far better comprehension of the English language then what is displayed by LVG ... After so much time in England he should be able to speak better English.

RE ambition ... He was appointed general manager/director at Ajax in 2011 ... Which in the end was blocked by Cruyff.

I can see him fulfilling a role like that but not in England

To Alcohol

All good things start with a cup win. Victory tomorrow would be huge in the development of this particular team.

Rossi IRL

All "pundits" on Sky saying Palace will win.

These days Sky are wrong on almost everything. We are going to win so.

eagle eye

fergiesfolly wrote: »

Ferguson's first teamsheet bears no comparison to LVGs current choice of players.
Ferguson steps into a complete mess of a club and rebuilt from scratch.
LVG had a pretty good set-up handed to him and a huge budget to re-build a squad.
Banners calling for Fergusons head shouldn't be compared to those calling for LVG's.

United had a very good side when Ferguson took over. It was one of the best squads in the first division at the time.

You had McGrath, Moran, Albiston, Duxbury and Siveback who were all top defenders.

In midfield you had Robson, Moses, Strachan and Jesper Olsen and you had a young Norman Whitesde up front along with Peter Davenport. All of these players were highly regarded in the league.

I'd say what LVG came into was a much worse squad comparing it to the rest of the league at those times.

Liam O

weisses wrote: »

What about being a DoF and not being able to speak comprehensive English ?

You can't understand LVG? I think that's more a problem with your comprehension than his English tbh...

bangkok

weisses wrote: »

A person can have all the ambition or lack off they want but being a DoF requires a far better comprehension of the English language then what is displayed by LVG ... After so much time in England he should be able to speak better English.

RE ambition ... He was appointed general manager/director at Ajax in 2011 ... Which in the end was blocked by Cruyff.

I can see him fulfilling a role like that but not in England

he has only been in england for 2 years!!

the man speaks Dutch, German, Spanish and English.

how many languages can you speak?

weisses

bangkok wrote: »

he has only been in england for 2 years!!

the man speaks Dutch, German, Spanish and English.

how many languages can you speak?

Speaking a few lines in any language is different then being a potential director of football doing meetings possible negotiations etc ...

His press conferences in all the countries you mentioned are still considered legendary .... Even in Dutch

bangkok

weisses wrote: »

Speaking a few lines in any language is different then being a potential director of football doing meetings possible negotiations etc ...

His press conferences in all the countries you mentioned are still considered legendary .... Even in Dutch

being a manager of Manchester United is a lot more difficult than being a director of football of Manchester United and has lots more interviews meetings etc than being DOF. Im sure he will get by just fine

Mitch Connor

weisses wrote: »

Speaking a few lines in any language is different then being a potential director of football doing meetings possible negotiations etc ...

His press conferences in all the countries you mentioned are still considered legendary .... Even in Dutch

Doing meetings with people and agents from Spanish clubs, or Italian Clubs.... how ever could he cope?:rolleyes:

Anyway - if he does get such a role, I am sure it won't be all that involved. Basically just a way for United and LVG to save face (needlessly, imo) on the fiasco.

bangkok

http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11667/10288692/manchester-united-rule-out-claims-louis-van-gaal-set-to-be-director-of-football

anyway, not happening

weisses

Liam O wrote: »

You can't understand LVG? I think that's more a problem with your comprehension than his English tbh...

I can understand him in English German and Dutch ... Maybe I hold a higher standard in regards to languages.

Being Dutch I know first hand how important it is to speak English at a certain level ... We all can manage ourselves in a pub but holding meetings in a board room requires a different level of the English Language.

Lord TSC

Mitch Connor wrote: »

Anyway - if he does get such a role, I am sure it won't be all that involved. Basically just a way for United and LVG to save face (needlessly, imo) on the fiasco.

IF given such a role, I think he'll be there for a few months as a pretty figure head before quietly retiring away from the spotlight.

At this stage, I'll take anything to get Jose in :P

Mitch Connor

Lord TSC wrote: »

IF given such a role, I think he'll be there for a few months as a pretty figure head before quietly retiring away from the spotlight.

At this stage, I'll take anything to get Jose in :P

I could see LVG getting the title, and doing very little in reality, before moving on next summer and a 'proper' DoF being brought in when the idea has been normalised (for United)

Lord TSC

Mitch Connor wrote: »

I could see LVG getting the title, and doing very little in reality, before moving on next summer and a 'proper' DoF being brought in when the idea has been normalised (for United)

Do you think they could even appoint someone (for example Berta) to work as his "assistant", who is doing 99% of the work anyway, and then when LVG steps down, just change the "assistants" job and "promote" him?

Mitch Connor

Lord TSC wrote: »

Do you think they could even appoint someone (for example Berta) to work as his "assistant", who is doing 99% of the work anyway, and then when LVG steps down, just change the "assistants" job and "promote" him?

Personally, I would doubt that.

Korat

eagle eye wrote: »

United had a very good side when Ferguson took over. It was one of the best squads in the first division at the time.

You had McGrath, Moran, Albiston, Duxbury and Siveback who were all top defenders.

In midfield you had Robson, Moses, Strachan and Jesper Olsen and you had a young Norman Whitesde up front along with Peter Davenport. All of these players were highly regarded in the league.

I'd say what LVG came into was a mu ch worse squad comparing it to the rest of the league at those times.

You're right that was a decent team for the time.

It was much easier to win the league back then with English clubs banned from European competitions after the disgrace of Hysel, which saw such a tragic loss of innocent life and the flight of the best players and coaches to the continent as a result.

Titles won between 1986-1991 should really come with an asterix beside them.

That Utd team should have achieved much more. Fergie saw their limitations were as much off the pitch as on it and took action. A lot of fans including me weren't happy at him getting rid of some of our favourite players but in hindsight they were seriously flawed and were holding us back.

You can't compare Fergie rooting out a drinking culture and bringing the club up to higher professional standards, already being adopted by teams in Italy and much of Europe, and what LVG has done in the last 2 years. LVG has been openly setting lower standards for the club. Of course there those, rival fans you’d expect, who want that to continue.

The_Kew_Tour

bangkok wrote: »

http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11669/10284948/liverpool-will-beat-sevilla-in-style-in-europa-league-final-says-graeme-souness


:pac:

Well they did win the fighting on the stands, with style

StringerBell

Mitch Connor wrote: »

Doing meetings with people and agents from Spanish clubs, or Italian Clubs.... how ever could he cope?:rolleyes:

Anyway - if he does get such a role, I am sure it won't be all that involved. Basically just a way for United and LVG to save face (needlessly, imo) on the fiasco.

Could be a way of letting him continue to oversee the structures being built behind the scenes, but removing him from first team managerial affairs.

As I said, in theory that could work. I wouldn't stake any money on it though and think it would be better to just cut the chord. If he is being removed from his job as first team manager he should leave the club rather then hang around, upstairs or anywhere else.

I don't think he could help himself from trying to control and influence first team decisions, and I don't think it would give the next manager a fair crack at the whip.

Anyway, his final game is tomorrow, here's hoping he can go out with a win!

Nalz

fergiesfolly wrote: »

Ferguson's first teamsheet bears no comparison to LVGs current choice of players.
Ferguson steps into a complete mess of a club and rebuilt from scratch.
LVG had a pretty good set-up handed to him and a huge budget to re-build a squad.
Banners calling for Fergusons head shouldn't be compared to those calling for LVG's.

Oh I agree for the most part, I posted it partly as a joke and to raise a little debate too.

I think Fergie was given a large budge though, and although he had "a pretty good set-up" he was given an ageing team somewhat

Evra, Vidic, Rio, Carrick, Giggs, Scholes etc were all part of Fergies latter years and last winning title season. Jones was forever injured and Kagawa and the likes were not setting the world a light. Moyes came along and added Fellaini and Varela.

Fergie spent well in the late 80s and early 90s. McClair, Anderson, Hughes, Leighton, Wallace, Donaghy, Phelan, Webb, Ince, Pallister, Bruce.... the list goes on. All for big money.

These aren't totally my views, but I have heard this argument a good few times!

ElChe32

Oh sweet sufferin' jaysus..that cringe worthy X-Men trailer featuring Wazza is so bad.

https://twitter.com/ManUtd/status/733613698644738048

bangkok

ElChe32 wrote: »

Oh sweet sufferin' jaysus..that cringe worthy X-Men trailer featuring Wazza is so bad.

https://twitter.com/ManUtd/status/733613698644738048

in fairness, that is aimed at the teenage/child market which happens to be massive.

jayo26

bangkok wrote: »

in fairness, that is aimed at the teenage/child market which happens to be massive.

I agree while it is cringey other clubs sich as liverpool are doing a lot more cringey things for noodles and whatnot too. Let them off the positive is that lvg aint in it so he nust be gone haha.

bangkok

jayo26 wrote: »

I agree while it is cringey other clubs sich as liverpool are doing a lot more cringey things for noodles and whatnot too. Let them off the positive is that lvg aint in it so he nust be gone haha.

also, all them noodle partners etc that we have, there are cringe adverts all over asia involving most premier league teams including United that would be never seen in england.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ye4V3HV3XIQ

here is one such ad

RobertKK

I thought it was funny, but how dare they dismiss both De Gea and Martial...

dubmick

I see Fosu-Mensah has been pulled out of the Dutch squad

Cookie_Dough

dubmick wrote: »

I see Fosu-Mensah has been pulled out of the Dutch squad

Due to lack of fitness according to M.E.N yesterday. Apparently he's now in an international "tug of war" as Ghana want him to play for them

MagicIRL

Legend.

brinty

dubmick wrote: »

I see Fosu-Mensah has been pulled out of the Dutch squad

Fosu Mensah was in the Dutch squad?? Senior or underage??
I heard about the tug of war but if he got a senior call up fair balls to him

Cookie_Dough

brinty wrote: »

Fosu Mensah was in the Dutch squad?? Senior or underage??
I heard about the tug of war but if he got a senior call up fair balls to him

It was the senior squad AFAIK as Danny Blind was the one who commented on him not being fully fit

Link- http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/man-utd-news-fosu-mensah-11354409

bangkok

rooney says him and Carrick will lift the trophy if they win it, surely means its carricks last game for the club? Would def give him another year contract

Korat

I hope TFM declares for the Dutch. We could do without him going off to the ACN for a month next January.

Julez

I'd have no problem giving Carrick another year long contract if he's happy to be a bit part player. He's fairly reliable and vastly experience in our young-ish squad. If however, like John O'Shea for example, wants more first team football at a lower club I wouldn't begrudge him that.

bangkok

Julez wrote: »

I'd have no problem giving Carrick another year long contract if he's happy to be a bit part player. He's fairly reliable and vastly experience in our young-ish squad. If however, like John O'Shea for example, wants more first team football at a lower club I wouldn't begrudge him that.

He would fit perfectly into the arsenal team and i could see him going there.