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Joan Burton resigns as leader of the LP

  • 10-05-2016 4:16pm
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    Alf Stewart.
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    Just breaking on newstalk.

    Can't say I'm surprised, I'm struggling to think of one single notable achievement she made as the leader of the party.

    Im equally struggling to think who will be queuing up to take her place, Alan Kelly? Doubtful after the IW fiasco. Howlin possibly, but a bit long in tooth if you ask me.

    Anyway, bye bye Joan.


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    Alf Stewart. wrote: »
    Just breaking on newstalk.

    Can't say I'm surprised, I'm struggling to think of one single notable achievement she made as the leader of the party.

    Im equally struggling to think who will be looking up to take her place, Alan Kelly? Doubtful after the IW fiasco. Howlin possibly, but a bit long in tooth if you ask me.

    Anyway, bye bye Joan.

    From the Party or al leader?


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    Tombo2001
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    From the Party or al leader?

    I presume as leader......


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    Alf Stewart.
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    From the Party or al leader?

    Yeah leader, sorry I messed up thread title. :o


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    cruizer101
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    Sean Sherlock is the other name being proposed, doesn't instill much confidence in the party when they are the choices


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    L1011
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    Alf Stewart. wrote: »
    Just breaking on newstalk.

    Can't say I'm surprised, I'm struggling to think of one single notable achievement she made as the leader of the party.

    Im equally struggling to think who will be queuing up to take her place, Alan Kelly? Doubtful after the IW fiasco. Howlin possibly, but a bit long in tooth if you ask me.

    Anyway, bye bye Joan.

    Kelly, Sherlock. Howlin is unlikely to want a contest.

    Its not a particularly great choice. Some of the senators would be better choices but not the best for getting media time - had there been 6 seats I would have strongly suggested going for a senator (although I'm not sure if that's actually allowed under the party rules and cba checking!)


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    Chips Lovell
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    Apparently Howlin has said he won't run. Looks like a contest between Kelly and Sherlock.


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    BOHtox
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    Jep Gambardella wrote: »
    Apparently Howlin has said he won't run. Looks like a contest between Kelly and Sherlock.

    Do the parliamentary party or the members vote for this or a mixture of both?

    Would prefer Kelly over Sherlock. Just.


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    touts
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    Alan Kelly has a whiff of Donald Trump about him. They might both win their internal party elections this month but they will destroy their parties in the long term. None of the others would be significantly better.

    Labour would be better off to look for another takeover by a smaller party and let the leadership of the Social Democrats take the reins.


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    micosoft
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    Alf Stewart. wrote: »
    Just breaking on newstalk.

    Can't say I'm surprised, I'm struggling to think of one single notable achievement she made as the leader of the party.

    Im equally struggling to think who will be queuing up to take her place, Alan Kelly? Doubtful after the IW fiasco. Howlin possibly, but a bit long in tooth if you ask me.

    Anyway, bye bye Joan.

    Seriously? Not one thing? Perhaps you should try harder! I'm no fan of Joan Burton and disagree with many of her policies but she has done more for her constituents (regardless if they recognised it or not) than all of her political critics put together.

    The attitude here shows that putting the national interest ahead of personal gain and putting realistic policy before pure populism does not get rewarded in Ireland.


  • #11
    Chips Lovell
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    Reports of Howlin being out may have been premature. If he runs, I'd say he'd get it. Kelly is too much of a loose cannon.


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    Alf Stewart.
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    micosoft wrote: »
    Seriously? Not one thing? Perhaps you should try harder! I'm no fan of Joan Burton and disagree with many of her policies but she has done more for her constituents (regardless if they recognised it or not) than all of her political critics put together.

    The attitude here shows that putting the national interest ahead of personal gain and putting realistic policy before pure populism does not get rewarded in Ireland.

    Such as?


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    Dyr
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    Jep Gambardella wrote: »
    Reports of Howlin being out may have been premature. If he runs, I'd say he'd get it. Kelly is too much of a loose cannon.

    Perhaps he was taken by suprise by burtons annoucement :rolleyes:

    If they've any cop they'll elect howlin, he has a safe seat and is competent in media appearances. Problem is that he's a scorpy little git and he's been knocked back twice before because of it


    Jan O'Sullivan thinking of throwing her hat in and all, lord protect us


  • #14
    Saipanne
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    A true heroine. She will remain much loved by the population. Hopefully her abusers in Jobstown are brought to justice.


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    Alf Stewart.
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    Saipanne wrote: »
    A true heroine. She will remain much loved by the population. Hopefully her abusers in Jobstown are brought to justice.

    She just barely retained her seat.


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    Saipanne
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    Alf Stewart. wrote: »
    She just barely retained her seat.

    "The People's Taoiseach"


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    Alf Stewart.
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,789 ✭✭✭Alf Stewart.


    Saipanne wrote: »
    "The People's Taoiseach"

    I'm not sure I follow you tbh.

    Who is "The People's Taoiseach"?


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    Saipanne
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    Alf Stewart. wrote: »
    I'm not sure I follow you tbh.

    Who is "The People's Taoiseach"?

    I can't help you.


  • #19
    Alf Stewart.
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    Saipanne wrote: »
    I can't help you.

    I didn't ask you for help, I said I didn't follow you, as in I've no idea to whom you were referring to when you posted "The People's Taoiseach"?

    Bit of clarity.


  • #20
    Lockstep
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    Ged Nash or Aodan O'Riordan would be the best people to lead Labour but seeing as they're in the Seanad, the two best PLP choices are Howlin or O'Sullivan. Kelly or Sherlock's leadership would doom the party further given how controversial both are.


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    Merrick Worried Streptomycin
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    Alf Stewart. wrote: »
    Just breaking on newstalk.

    Can't say I'm surprised, I'm struggling to think of one single notable achievement she made as the leader of the party.

    Im equally struggling to think who will be queuing up to take her place, Alan Kelly? Doubtful after the IW fiasco. Howlin possibly, but a bit long in tooth if you ask me.

    Anyway, bye bye Joan.

    Well, given that Labour Party rules dictate that she had to, I too am not surprised.

    Burton and her leadership will be looked upon kindly by history once this nonsense and noise fades away. Her voice is sometimes painful to listen to, but I've always been impressed with what she has brought to debate.

    I earnestly feel that Labour delivered massively in the last government under enormous fiscal constraints. They are the voice of reason on the left, and if we let them slide into obscurity Ireland as a nation and a society will regret it.

    For the leadership side, I hope AK47 blows himself out of the water before he can take the reins. Aodhan would have been perfect if he'd managed to bag himself a seat in the Dáil, but don't think he can lead from the Seanad.

    I don't really have a lot of faith in any of the current TDs at all tbh. Nobody really stands out as someone who can help bring dissenters back from the Looney Left with pragmatism and care.

    A bigger problem than Labour's huge seat loss in the 2016 election isn't the numbers that they lost, but that many if not all leadership candidates were ones that missed out.


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